(10-22-2021 12:48 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 12:42 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 12:36 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 12:28 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 12:18 PM)Ragu Wrote:  I mean ODU was called a market add and anchor by you guys before many times. Now they are super duper partners

You just sarcastically said have fun adding Georgia state and fiu as your next adds. Now you are partners with Georgia state.

I'd say Memphis , SMU, south Florida , east Carolina, navy , Temple etc are brands. UAB and us have been recent winners and can add to it

Coastal Carolina has had a couple solid years. I don't see them as consistently strong once the coach leaves with their small budget. They just lost to the first competent team they played this year . If utsa wins conference USA I can just as easily compare them to a coastal Carolina as a recent blip

Also the AAC is going to have the bigger budgets. That's the main reason you guys were left out. You don't have the money to expand upon what you are now although that is really solid. If you did you'd be there even with your market

It's 2 million to start and escalates. That happens plenty when you enter a new conference. It will equal out eventually. It's still more than the sun belt gets at 1.3 million at it's height.

The sun belt and mac and cusa will be ripe for the picking if the AAC chooses to do so again down the line

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I personally know Marshall's budget could increase if need be. We have been focusing heavily on facility improvements for the last few years.

Budget is not the reason we were left out, it's location, plain and simple. Which is laughably hilarious considering how many power schools operate out of locations and markets even smaller than Marshall.

Yet they are brands that pull out of the larger markets, similar to what Marshall has done with our media numbers.

In telling you the AAC wanted schools who could spend. Marshall can't spend at the level of the current AAC schools. I was told this week's before it was announced. Me and a few la tech guys pm'd on it and their sources said the same thing. It's why when Matt brown posted his guesses I talked about him always being wrong ..

I actually thought la tech was going to squeak in based off improved stuff and budget I heard about.

But yeah I don't get how the sun belt can demean the aac. I actually like the top 4-5 in the sun belt including your school. But as an overall conference it's not going to be better than the AAC

If you were an add instead of rice or north Texas , you'd say the same.

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Once Memphis and SMU inevitably leave, no same person would have the AAC as a better Football conference than the Sun Belt.

You guys keep bringing up this scenario and it's being hopeful. But you know what the AAC can do if they want when that happens? Take who they want from the sun belt , Mac, cusa etc.

Also all these scenarios always ignore any mountain west adds. What if Boise State or San Diego state or both go to power fives ? And could that be the final push to get air force and Colorado state then and shift Tulane east,?

You just never know. But the AAC can add if they choose if they ever lose teams

You can play with hypothetical arguments. I'll stick to what actually happens

What is actually happening is 7 of your 14 members will be

Texas state
Louisiana Monroe
Troy
South Alabama
Old Dominion
James Madison
Georgia state

Thats half the league

Sorry that isn't as good as the aac. Not top, middle or bottom

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You failed to see the reality. You are banking on markets, just like Judy and CUSA banked on non ESPN contracts. It could work out, but it has a high risk of failure.

What will happen when the Sun Belt produces a top 25 program every year, and the AAC struggles to do the same? Do you think ESPN is going to keep your contract intact?

Do you think the Sunbelt is not due for an increase?

Power doesn't stay in one place forever.

I don't want to turn this into an argument, this thread should be a celebration for you guys. But you must acknowledge there are major risks.

Good luck guys.

(10-22-2021 12:48 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 12:42 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 12:36 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 12:28 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 12:18 PM)Ragu Wrote:  I mean ODU was called a market add and anchor by you guys before many times. Now they are super duper partners

You just sarcastically said have fun adding Georgia state and fiu as your next adds. Now you are partners with Georgia state.

I'd say Memphis , SMU, south Florida , east Carolina, navy , Temple etc are brands. UAB and us have been recent winners and can add to it

Coastal Carolina has had a couple solid years. I don't see them as consistently strong once the coach leaves with their small budget. They just lost to the first competent team they played this year . If utsa wins conference USA I can just as easily compare them to a coastal Carolina as a recent blip

Also the AAC is going to have the bigger budgets. That's the main reason you guys were left out. You don't have the money to expand upon what you are now although that is really solid. If you did you'd be there even with your market

It's 2 million to start and escalates. That happens plenty when you enter a new conference. It will equal out eventually. It's still more than the sun belt gets at 1.3 million at it's height.

The sun belt and mac and cusa will be ripe for the picking if the AAC chooses to do so again down the line

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I personally know Marshall's budget could increase if need be. We have been focusing heavily on facility improvements for the last few years.

Budget is not the reason we were left out, it's location, plain and simple. Which is laughably hilarious considering how many power schools operate out of locations and markets even smaller than Marshall.

Yet they are brands that pull out of the larger markets, similar to what Marshall has done with our media numbers.

In telling you the AAC wanted schools who could spend. Marshall can't spend at the level of the current AAC schools. I was told this week's before it was announced. Me and a few la tech guys pm'd on it and their sources said the same thing. It's why when Matt brown posted his guesses I talked about him always being wrong ..

I actually thought la tech was going to squeak in based off improved stuff and budget I heard about.

But yeah I don't get how the sun belt can demean the aac. I actually like the top 4-5 in the sun belt including your school. But as an overall conference it's not going to be better than the AAC

If you were an add instead of rice or north Texas , you'd say the same.

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Once Memphis and SMU inevitably leave, no same person would have the AAC as a better Football conference than the Sun Belt.

You guys keep bringing up this scenario and it's being hopeful. But you know what the AAC can do if they want when that happens? Take who they want from the sun belt , Mac, cusa etc.

Also all these scenarios always ignore any mountain west adds. What if Boise State or San Diego state or both go to power fives ? And could that be the final push to get air force and Colorado state then and shift Tulane east,?

You just never know. But the AAC can add if they choose if they ever lose teams

You can play with hypothetical arguments. I'll stick to what actually happens

What is actually happening is 7 of your 14 members will be

Texas state
Louisiana Monroe
Troy
South Alabama
Old Dominion
James Madison
Georgia state

Thats half the league

Sorry that isn't as good as the aac. Not top, middle or bottom

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Damn i never thought i'd see a ******* FAU fan ragging on ODU but well here we are. Anyways here's something funny to lighten up the mood.

This ODU fan wishes the best for all six of our schools that are now officially members of AAC. I fell really bad for UTEP and to some extent FIU. LT will find some place and so will EmptySue and WKU. This is a prime example of Greed causing Grief. Oh well this is inevitable anyway.

(10-22-2021 12:53 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 12:48 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 12:42 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 12:36 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 12:28 PM)rileylives Wrote:  I personally know Marshall's budget could increase if need be. We have been focusing heavily on facility improvements for the last few years.

Budget is not the reason we were left out, it's location, plain and simple. Which is laughably hilarious considering how many power schools operate out of locations and markets even smaller than Marshall.

Yet they are brands that pull out of the larger markets, similar to what Marshall has done with our media numbers.

In telling you the AAC wanted schools who could spend. Marshall can't spend at the level of the current AAC schools. I was told this week's before it was announced. Me and a few la tech guys pm'd on it and their sources said the same thing. It's why when Matt brown posted his guesses I talked about him always being wrong ..

I actually thought la tech was going to squeak in based off improved stuff and budget I heard about.

But yeah I don't get how the sun belt can demean the aac. I actually like the top 4-5 in the sun belt including your school. But as an overall conference it's not going to be better than the AAC

If you were an add instead of rice or north Texas , you'd say the same.

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Once Memphis and SMU inevitably leave, no same person would have the AAC as a better Football conference than the Sun Belt.

You guys keep bringing up this scenario and it's being hopeful. But you know what the AAC can do if they want when that happens? Take who they want from the sun belt , Mac, cusa etc.

Also all these scenarios always ignore any mountain west adds. What if Boise State or San Diego state or both go to power fives ? And could that be the final push to get air force and Colorado state then and shift Tulane east,?

You just never know. But the AAC can add if they choose if they ever lose teams

You can play with hypothetical arguments. I'll stick to what actually happens

What is actually happening is 7 of your 14 members will be

Texas state
Louisiana Monroe
Troy
South Alabama
Old Dominion
James Madison
Georgia state

Thats half the league

Sorry that isn't as good as the aac. Not top, middle or bottom

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You failed to see the reality. You are banking on markets, just like Judy and CUSA banked on non ESPN contracts. It could work out, but it has a high risk of failure.

What will happen when the Sun Belt produces a top 25 program every year, and the AAC struggles to do the same? Do you think ESPN is going to keep your contract intact?

Do you think the Sunbelt is not due for an increase?

Power doesn't stay in one place forever.

You posts are ignoring a lot of stuff I say and responses less detailed because you can't argue the points. Before the AAC adds and your sun belt rumors, you'd be saying the same stuff about half the new sun belt as me ...

The AAC can just as easily have a top 25 team every year. They have 2 now if we are talking future league makeup.

It's not just markets Riley. These are programs who committed to spend and invest tons. The athletic budgets are around 20 million more for AAC compared to cusa or more. That's what they went after.

Also our tv contract and exposure sucked. It will improve greatly here.

Your problem is you are trying to judge present team value in one breath and the saying well Memphis and SMU are gone in the future in your next breath. It's hypotheticals when it suits you and ignoring value added when it suits you. It's hilarious

We will be just fine. If we lose a team or two and want to add we can pick the best of your Sunbelt if ESPn wants that

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(10-22-2021 01:03 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 12:53 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 12:48 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 12:42 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 12:36 PM)Ragu Wrote:  In telling you the AAC wanted schools who could spend. Marshall can't spend at the level of the current AAC schools. I was told this week's before it was announced. Me and a few la tech guys pm'd on it and their sources said the same thing. It's why when Matt brown posted his guesses I talked about him always being wrong ..

I actually thought la tech was going to squeak in based off improved stuff and budget I heard about.

But yeah I don't get how the sun belt can demean the aac. I actually like the top 4-5 in the sun belt including your school. But as an overall conference it's not going to be better than the AAC

If you were an add instead of rice or north Texas , you'd say the same.

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Once Memphis and SMU inevitably leave, no same person would have the AAC as a better Football conference than the Sun Belt.

You guys keep bringing up this scenario and it's being hopeful. But you know what the AAC can do if they want when that happens? Take who they want from the sun belt , Mac, cusa etc.

Also all these scenarios always ignore any mountain west adds. What if Boise State or San Diego state or both go to power fives ? And could that be the final push to get air force and Colorado state then and shift Tulane east,?

You just never know. But the AAC can add if they choose if they ever lose teams

You can play with hypothetical arguments. I'll stick to what actually happens

What is actually happening is 7 of your 14 members will be

Texas state
Louisiana Monroe
Troy
South Alabama
Old Dominion
James Madison
Georgia state

Thats half the league

Sorry that isn't as good as the aac. Not top, middle or bottom

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You failed to see the reality. You are banking on markets, just like Judy and CUSA banked on non ESPN contracts. It could work out, but it has a high risk of failure.

What will happen when the Sun Belt produces a top 25 program every year, and the AAC struggles to do the same? Do you think ESPN is going to keep your contract intact?

Do you think the Sunbelt is not due for an increase?

Power doesn't stay in one place forever.

You posts are ignoring a lot of stuff I say and responses less detailed because you can't argue the points. Before the AAC adds and your sun belt rumors, you'd be saying the same stuff about half the new sun belt as me ...

The AAC can just as easily have a top 25 team every year. They have 2 now if we are talking future league makeup.

It's not just markets Riley. These are programs who committed to spend and invest tons. The athletic budgets are around 20 million more for AAC compared to cusa or more. That's what they went after.

Also our tv contract and exposure sucked. It will improve greatly here.

Your problem is you are trying to judge present team value in one breath and the saying well Memphis and SMU are gone in the future in your next breath. It's hypotheticals when it suits you and ignoring value added when it suits you. It's hilarious

We will be just fine. If we lose a team or two and want to add we can pick the best of your Sunbelt if ESPn wants that

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I have been very fair in my counter-arguments. A lot of my thoughts are kind of interspersed all over the board, sometimes I don't quite articulate all of them in one post. Let me respond to your last comment.

You have no factual evidence to support Marshall wouldn't have the ability to increase its budget. Very few of our student populations pay the high student fees associated with many other schools, that is one avenue of growth. Another is media. If you extrapolate the increase in TV revenue, you're not talking about a 20 million gap, you're talking about maybe a 13 to 15 million gap. That is easy to make up, considering Marshall has already nearly finalized its capital improvements, our last being our baseball field.

We are not a program depleted of facilities.

You can point a budgets all you want, but we both know this was about markets and location.

(10-22-2021 01:11 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 01:03 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 12:53 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 12:48 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 12:42 PM)rileylives Wrote:  Once Memphis and SMU inevitably leave, no same person would have the AAC as a better Football conference than the Sun Belt.

You guys keep bringing up this scenario and it's being hopeful. But you know what the AAC can do if they want when that happens? Take who they want from the sun belt , Mac, cusa etc.

Also all these scenarios always ignore any mountain west adds. What if Boise State or San Diego state or both go to power fives ? And could that be the final push to get air force and Colorado state then and shift Tulane east,?

You just never know. But the AAC can add if they choose if they ever lose teams

You can play with hypothetical arguments. I'll stick to what actually happens

What is actually happening is 7 of your 14 members will be

Texas state
Louisiana Monroe
Troy
South Alabama
Old Dominion
James Madison
Georgia state

Thats half the league

Sorry that isn't as good as the aac. Not top, middle or bottom

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You failed to see the reality. You are banking on markets, just like Judy and CUSA banked on non ESPN contracts. It could work out, but it has a high risk of failure.

What will happen when the Sun Belt produces a top 25 program every year, and the AAC struggles to do the same? Do you think ESPN is going to keep your contract intact?

Do you think the Sunbelt is not due for an increase?

Power doesn't stay in one place forever.

You posts are ignoring a lot of stuff I say and responses less detailed because you can't argue the points. Before the AAC adds and your sun belt rumors, you'd be saying the same stuff about half the new sun belt as me ...

The AAC can just as easily have a top 25 team every year. They have 2 now if we are talking future league makeup.

It's not just markets Riley. These are programs who committed to spend and invest tons. The athletic budgets are around 20 million more for AAC compared to cusa or more. That's what they went after.

Also our tv contract and exposure sucked. It will improve greatly here.

Your problem is you are trying to judge present team value in one breath and the saying well Memphis and SMU are gone in the future in your next breath. It's hypotheticals when it suits you and ignoring value added when it suits you. It's hilarious

We will be just fine. If we lose a team or two and want to add we can pick the best of your Sunbelt if ESPn wants that

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I have been very fair in my counter-arguments. A lot of my thoughts are kind of interspersed all over the board, sometimes I don't quite articulate all of them in one post. Let me respond to your last comment.

You have no factual evidence to support Marshall wouldn't have the ability to increase its budget. Very few of our student populations pay the high student fees associated with many other schools, that is one avenue of growth. Another is media. If you extrapolate the increase in TV revenue, you're not talking about a 20 million gap, you're talking about maybe a 13 to 15 million gap. That is easy to make up, considering Marshall has already nearly finalized its capital improvements, our last being our baseball field.

We are not a program depleted of facilities.

You can point a budgets all you want, but we both know this was about markets and location.

No we both don't know that. ...that's insulting to the schools picked. They have more value than just where they are located. I know we do

I'd take any of the adds over the half of the sun belt I highlighted above. And that's being nice to the other 7. I respect southern miss z Arkansas state , georgia southern etc but they've hardly been world beaters recently. Coastal Carolina once the coach leaves could have a very bad dip. Not convinced they are there for the long run if you want to talk hypotheticals

Again if one of those sun belt teams can somehow spend a ton more and starts blowing away the conference, who is to say the AAC doesn't just add them if some teams leave? How about buffalo from the Mac if they continue to build in football and basketball and are a R1? The AAC will have options.

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(10-22-2021 01:16 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 01:11 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 01:03 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 12:53 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 12:48 PM)Ragu Wrote:  You guys keep bringing up this scenario and it's being hopeful. But you know what the AAC can do if they want when that happens? Take who they want from the sun belt , Mac, cusa etc.

Also all these scenarios always ignore any mountain west adds. What if Boise State or San Diego state or both go to power fives ? And could that be the final push to get air force and Colorado state then and shift Tulane east,?

You just never know. But the AAC can add if they choose if they ever lose teams

You can play with hypothetical arguments. I'll stick to what actually happens

What is actually happening is 7 of your 14 members will be

Texas state
Louisiana Monroe
Troy
South Alabama
Old Dominion
James Madison
Georgia state

Thats half the league

Sorry that isn't as good as the aac. Not top, middle or bottom

Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk

You failed to see the reality. You are banking on markets, just like Judy and CUSA banked on non ESPN contracts. It could work out, but it has a high risk of failure.

What will happen when the Sun Belt produces a top 25 program every year, and the AAC struggles to do the same? Do you think ESPN is going to keep your contract intact?

Do you think the Sunbelt is not due for an increase?

Power doesn't stay in one place forever.

You posts are ignoring a lot of stuff I say and responses less detailed because you can't argue the points. Before the AAC adds and your sun belt rumors, you'd be saying the same stuff about half the new sun belt as me ...

The AAC can just as easily have a top 25 team every year. They have 2 now if we are talking future league makeup.

It's not just markets Riley. These are programs who committed to spend and invest tons. The athletic budgets are around 20 million more for AAC compared to cusa or more. That's what they went after.

Also our tv contract and exposure sucked. It will improve greatly here.

Your problem is you are trying to judge present team value in one breath and the saying well Memphis and SMU are gone in the future in your next breath. It's hypotheticals when it suits you and ignoring value added when it suits you. It's hilarious

We will be just fine. If we lose a team or two and want to add we can pick the best of your Sunbelt if ESPn wants that

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I have been very fair in my counter-arguments. A lot of my thoughts are kind of interspersed all over the board, sometimes I don't quite articulate all of them in one post. Let me respond to your last comment.

You have no factual evidence to support Marshall wouldn't have the ability to increase its budget. Very few of our student populations pay the high student fees associated with many other schools, that is one avenue of growth. Another is media. If you extrapolate the increase in TV revenue, you're not talking about a 20 million gap, you're talking about maybe a 13 to 15 million gap. That is easy to make up, considering Marshall has already nearly finalized its capital improvements, our last being our baseball field.

We are not a program depleted of facilities.

You can point a budgets all you want, but we both know this was about markets and location.

No we both don't know that. ...that's insulting to the schools picked. They have more value than just where they are located. I know we do

I'd take any of the adds over the half of the sun belt I highlighted above. And that's being nice to the other 7. I respect southern miss z Arkansas state , georgia southern etc but they've hardly been world beaters recently. Coastal Carolina once the coach leaves could have a very bad dip. Not convinced they are there for the long run if you want to talk hypotheticals

Again if one of those sun belt teams can somehow spend a ton more and starts blowing away the conference, who is to say the AAC doesn't just add them if some teams leave? How about buffalo from the Mac if they continue to build in football and basketball and are a R1? The AAC will have options.

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You do you realize the inconsistency in what you were saying do you?

You say claiming location and markets is insulting, yet you then go on to insult a large portion of the Sun Belt.

I am not here to win an argument, I never like doing that. I will respect your opinion and try to get back to work, it's been a busy day!

I'm sure we can have more fruitful conversations in the future.

(10-22-2021 11:37 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Because this was brought up....CUSA 3.0 (2013-2020)

FAU: 46-50, 2 CUSA Championships, 2-1 in bowls

UAB: 42-32, 2 CUSA Championships, 1-2 in bowls (34-16 since resurecting in 2017!)

Marshall: 68-34, 1 top 25 finish, 1 CUSA Championship, 5-2 in bowls

WKU: 54-37, 1 top 25 finish, 2 CUSA Championships, 4-2 in bowls

La Tech: 61-40, 6-1 in bowls

Also, im not sure who'se numbers are off with La Tech and FAU, probably me, but you get the gist.

What does 2013 FAU have to do with 2021 FAU? In the last 5 years (2017-2021), FAU has gone 36-20, with 2 conference championships and 2-1 in bowls.

UAB has gone 34-16, with 2 championships and 1-2 in bowls.

Marshall has also gone 36-20, but no titles, 2-2 in bowls. So, clearly both FAU and UAB have enjoyed better success than Marshall and are TODAY, the class of the conference.

(10-22-2021 01:21 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 01:16 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 01:11 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 01:03 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 12:53 PM)rileylives Wrote:  You failed to see the reality. You are banking on markets, just like Judy and CUSA banked on non ESPN contracts. It could work out, but it has a high risk of failure.

What will happen when the Sun Belt produces a top 25 program every year, and the AAC struggles to do the same? Do you think ESPN is going to keep your contract intact?

Do you think the Sunbelt is not due for an increase?

Power doesn't stay in one place forever.

You posts are ignoring a lot of stuff I say and responses less detailed because you can't argue the points. Before the AAC adds and your sun belt rumors, you'd be saying the same stuff about half the new sun belt as me ...

The AAC can just as easily have a top 25 team every year. They have 2 now if we are talking future league makeup.

It's not just markets Riley. These are programs who committed to spend and invest tons. The athletic budgets are around 20 million more for AAC compared to cusa or more. That's what they went after.

Also our tv contract and exposure sucked. It will improve greatly here.

Your problem is you are trying to judge present team value in one breath and the saying well Memphis and SMU are gone in the future in your next breath. It's hypotheticals when it suits you and ignoring value added when it suits you. It's hilarious

We will be just fine. If we lose a team or two and want to add we can pick the best of your Sunbelt if ESPn wants that

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I have been very fair in my counter-arguments. A lot of my thoughts are kind of interspersed all over the board, sometimes I don't quite articulate all of them in one post. Let me respond to your last comment.

You have no factual evidence to support Marshall wouldn't have the ability to increase its budget. Very few of our student populations pay the high student fees associated with many other schools, that is one avenue of growth. Another is media. If you extrapolate the increase in TV revenue, you're not talking about a 20 million gap, you're talking about maybe a 13 to 15 million gap. That is easy to make up, considering Marshall has already nearly finalized its capital improvements, our last being our baseball field.

We are not a program depleted of facilities.

You can point a budgets all you want, but we both know this was about markets and location.

No we both don't know that. ...that's insulting to the schools picked. They have more value than just where they are located. I know we do

I'd take any of the adds over the half of the sun belt I highlighted above. And that's being nice to the other 7. I respect southern miss z Arkansas state , georgia southern etc but they've hardly been world beaters recently. Coastal Carolina once the coach leaves could have a very bad dip. Not convinced they are there for the long run if you want to talk hypotheticals

Again if one of those sun belt teams can somehow spend a ton more and starts blowing away the conference, who is to say the AAC doesn't just add them if some teams leave? How about buffalo from the Mac if they continue to build in football and basketball and are a R1? The AAC will have options.

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You do you realize the inconsistency in what you were saying do you?

You say claiming location and markets is insulting, yet you then go on to insult a large portion of the Sun Belt.

I am not here to win an argument, I never like doing that. I will respect your opinion and try to get back to work, it's been a busy day!

I'm sure we can have more fruitful conversations in the future.

A week ago you wouldn't want to be associated with that group I've talked about. You've said as much

A week ago old Dominion wouldnt be a great add and Georgia state was a market team. Now you'll stick up for them

That's what is hypocritical. I've been consistent. I like 4-5 sun belt teams and Marshall. The rest I don't want to be in a league with. The AAC was my first choice by far. Had we not got that invite and got to the sun belt with Marshall and wku I'd say best we can do. I wouldn't try to justify it as better than the AAC. Because it's not .

And if teams leave the AAC will pull from conferences like the Sunbelt. You aren't going to get high spending AAC teams to go to the belt.

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(10-22-2021 01:24 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 11:37 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Because this was brought up....CUSA 3.0 (2013-2020)

FAU: 46-50, 2 CUSA Championships, 2-1 in bowls

UAB: 42-32, 2 CUSA Championships, 1-2 in bowls (34-16 since resurecting in 2017!)

Marshall: 68-34, 1 top 25 finish, 1 CUSA Championship, 5-2 in bowls

WKU: 54-37, 1 top 25 finish, 2 CUSA Championships, 4-2 in bowls

La Tech: 61-40, 6-1 in bowls

Also, im not sure who'se numbers are off with La Tech and FAU, probably me, but you get the gist.

What does 2013 FAU have to do with 2021 FAU? In the last 5 years (2017-2021), FAU has gone 36-20, with 2 conference championships and 2-1 in bowls.

UAB has gone 34-16, with 2 championships and 1-2 in bowls.

Marshall has also gone 36-20, but no titles, 2-2 in bowls. So, clearly both FAU and UAB have enjoyed better success than Marshall and are TODAY, the class of the conference.

Because they have to rely on the past to suit their arguments. They also ignore improving in the future with the AAC which has done it before through exposure and making teams invest more athletically

It's a coping mechanism because they all wanted the AAC before being turned down. The Matt brown thread can show you that even though I told them don't believe him or get your hopes up

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FAU friends. Listen, I have been nothing but honest this whole time.

Yes, I wanted to be included in the American. But they clearly spurned us. They clearly went for markets. We have performance and TV viewership data to show they did not care about any of that at all.

I don't know how you claim budgets considering Marshall and FAU have very comparable budgets themselves. You will have to improve your basketball facility, and we have to build our on-campus baseball field. And despite what you might think, we can easily increase our budget as well.

We already have a 38,000 seat stadium, a brand new soccer field, a world-class IPF, a need here in the winter months, and an on-campus basketball stadium that can hold 9,000.

I am happy for FAU, I understand the move for you and UAB, you've earned it.

But you can't say Marshall has not also equally earned that chance.

Now I will admit, after seeing the other teams admitted to the AAC, I see through their plan, and there is a great risk involved with what they are doing. And I don't want to be any part of that.

I've been consistently honest with all of you through this whole conversation.

If you want to include the last 5 years, and say that FAU and UAB were so much better than Marshall, I don't know. You have the conference championships, but you're not taking into consideration our basketball performance and soccer national championship. And it's not like we've been a doormat in football like many of the other programs that got invited in that same 5-year period to the AAC...

That's all I'm going to say about this.

(10-22-2021 01:50 PM)rileylives Wrote:  FAU friends. Listen, I have been nothing but honest this whole time.

Yes, I wanted to be included in the American. But they clearly spurned us. They clearly went for markets. We have performance and TV viewership data to show they did not care about any of that at all.

I don't know how you claim budgets considering Marshall and FAU have very comparable budgets themselves. You will have to improve your basketball facility, and we have to build our on-campus baseball field. And despite what you might think, we can easily increase our budget as well.

We already have a 38,000 seat stadium, a brand new soccer field, a world-class IPF, a need here in the winter months, and an on-campus basketball stadium that can hold 9,000.

I am happy for FAU, I understand the move for you and UAB, you've earned it.

But you can't say Marshall has not also equally earned that chance.

Now I will admit, after seeing the other teams admitted to the AAC, I see through their plan, and there is a great risk involved with what they are doing. And I don't want to be any part of that.

I've been consistently honest with all of you through this whole conversation.

If you want to include the last 5 years, and say that FAU and UAB were so much better than Marshall, I don't know. You have the conference championships, but you're not taking into consideration our basketball performance and soccer national championship. And it's not like we've been a doormat in football like many of the other programs that got invited in that same 5-year period to the AAC...

That's all I'm going to say about this.

We wanted Marshall in the AAC. I'd take them over 2-3 of the adds

That's not going to make me pretend like half the sun belt are schools that are desirable to be with when I wouldn't want to play them ... Or that the top, middle or bottom are better then the AAC. Or that the AAC can't add from the belt anytime they want...



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(10-22-2021 01:50 PM)rileylives Wrote:  FAU friends. Listen, I have been nothing but honest this whole time.

Yes, I wanted to be included in the American. But they clearly spurned us. They clearly went for markets. We have performance and TV viewership data to show they did not care about any of that at all.

I don't know how you claim budgets considering Marshall and FAU have very comparable budgets themselves. You will have to improve your basketball facility, and we have to build our on-campus baseball field. And despite what you might think, we can easily increase our budget as well.

We already have a 38,000 seat stadium, a brand new soccer field, a world-class IPF, a need here in the winter months, and an on-campus basketball stadium that can hold 9,000.

I am happy for FAU, I understand the move for you and UAB, you've earned it.

But you can't say Marshall has not also equally earned that chance.

Now I will admit, after seeing the other teams admitted to the AAC, I see through their plan, and there is a great risk involved with what they are doing. And I don't want to be any part of that.

I've been consistently honest with all of you through this whole conversation.

If you want to include the last 5 years, and say that FAU and UAB were so much better than Marshall, I don't know. You have the conference championships, but you're not taking into consideration our basketball performance and soccer national championship. And it's not like we've been a doormat in football like many of the other programs that got invited in that same 5-year period to the AAC...

That's all I'm going to say about this.

Marshall has, certainly, been the most consistent school in the C-USA. I can not take that away from you guys. And, just like Ragu, I would prefer Marshall over UNT or UTSA (Nothing against these two, other than geography).

I was just responding to the statement that SBC has, somehow, gained on AAC.

Reality is I would have knifed my family to get to AAC and a perspective to join the Belt makes me gag.

(10-22-2021 02:03 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 01:50 PM)rileylives Wrote:  FAU friends. Listen, I have been nothing but honest this whole time.

Yes, I wanted to be included in the American. But they clearly spurned us. They clearly went for markets. We have performance and TV viewership data to show they did not care about any of that at all.

I don't know how you claim budgets considering Marshall and FAU have very comparable budgets themselves. You will have to improve your basketball facility, and we have to build our on-campus baseball field. And despite what you might think, we can easily increase our budget as well.

We already have a 38,000 seat stadium, a brand new soccer field, a world-class IPF, a need here in the winter months, and an on-campus basketball stadium that can hold 9,000.

I am happy for FAU, I understand the move for you and UAB, you've earned it.

But you can't say Marshall has not also equally earned that chance.

Now I will admit, after seeing the other teams admitted to the AAC, I see through their plan, and there is a great risk involved with what they are doing. And I don't want to be any part of that.

I've been consistently honest with all of you through this whole conversation.

If you want to include the last 5 years, and say that FAU and UAB were so much better than Marshall, I don't know. You have the conference championships, but you're not taking into consideration our basketball performance and soccer national championship. And it's not like we've been a doormat in football like many of the other programs that got invited in that same 5-year period to the AAC...

That's all I'm going to say about this.

Marshall has, certainly, been the most consistent school in the C-USA. I can not take that away from you guys. And, just like Ragu, I would prefer Marshall over UNT or UTSA (Nothing against these two, other than geography).

I was just responding to the statement that SBC has, somehow, gained on AAC.

Reality is I would have knifed my family to get to AAC and a perspective to join the Belt makes me gag.

The AAC has lost their best 3 schools. They took 6 schools from a conference they considered well below them. How could the sbc not have gained on them.

also thank god were not family lol

(10-22-2021 02:38 PM)benny_t Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 02:03 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 01:50 PM)rileylives Wrote:  FAU friends. Listen, I have been nothing but honest this whole time.

Yes, I wanted to be included in the American. But they clearly spurned us. They clearly went for markets. We have performance and TV viewership data to show they did not care about any of that at all.

I don't know how you claim budgets considering Marshall and FAU have very comparable budgets themselves. You will have to improve your basketball facility, and we have to build our on-campus baseball field. And despite what you might think, we can easily increase our budget as well.

We already have a 38,000 seat stadium, a brand new soccer field, a world-class IPF, a need here in the winter months, and an on-campus basketball stadium that can hold 9,000.

I am happy for FAU, I understand the move for you and UAB, you've earned it.

But you can't say Marshall has not also equally earned that chance.

Now I will admit, after seeing the other teams admitted to the AAC, I see through their plan, and there is a great risk involved with what they are doing. And I don't want to be any part of that.

I've been consistently honest with all of you through this whole conversation.

If you want to include the last 5 years, and say that FAU and UAB were so much better than Marshall, I don't know. You have the conference championships, but you're not taking into consideration our basketball performance and soccer national championship. And it's not like we've been a doormat in football like many of the other programs that got invited in that same 5-year period to the AAC...

That's all I'm going to say about this.

Marshall has, certainly, been the most consistent school in the C-USA. I can not take that away from you guys. And, just like Ragu, I would prefer Marshall over UNT or UTSA (Nothing against these two, other than geography).

I was just responding to the statement that SBC has, somehow, gained on AAC.

Reality is I would have knifed my family to get to AAC and a perspective to join the Belt makes me gag.

The AAC has lost their best 3 schools. They took 6 schools from a conference they considered well below them. How could the sbc not have gained on them.

also thank god were not family lol

AAC has a collection of excellent schools in both football and basketball. Sunbelt really has no one at that level and even among the schools AAC added, 4 would have been among the top at SunBelt.

You do realize that sometimes people joke. I would not knife my family, not all of them, at least

AAC vs SBC vs MWC will be an INTERESTING thing to watch for sure.

There is a chance for all of them to leap frog the others. It will come down to who makes the best coaching hires, facilities improvements, and recruiting.

Get your popcorn ready.

I feel really bad for WKU/MTSU/LT/UTEP and yes even FIU. I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy. Not knowing if you have a home to play in would be terrible. I truly hope it works out for all of you.