I just realized that if the Sunbelt do indeed get those three to leave, CUSA is dead.

Think about it. That would leave Western Kentucky, MTSU, FIU, LA Tech, and Utep. To dissolve the conference they need 75% of the members to vote yes, which wont happen but who can they add?

There are Army, Uconn, Umass, Liberty and NMSU. Army isnt happening. They just turned down a better AAC deal. Uconn and Umass would be football only. If neither is willing to join as a full member then they dont have enough to be a league. I dont believe an FBS could move up in time. Unless realignment somehow gets pushed back beyond 2023.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but an FCS school would have to announce their intent to move up and then have a two year transition time. If they did it immediately, they would be available till 2024 which would leave CUSA short by 1 team.

The NCAA could always grant a waiver I guess if they knew the teams were on their way. I would have thought that at some point, somebody has to be the adult in the room and figure out what is best of college sports, but apparently that is not the case.

UTEP and La Tech should probably go to the WAC. That is actually a nice little basketball conference and they would be the kings in football.

(10-20-2021 04:01 PM)mustangxc Wrote:  UTEP and La Tech should probably go to the WAC. That is actually a nice little basketball conference and they would be the kings in football.

The WAC is a FCS league. LA Tech & UTEP would have to drop down.

UTEP would be a good fit for the MWC, but they don't add any value and won't be invited. They've reached out a few times but it never worked out for them.

I'm thinking the WAC could try to move up to FBS in a few years with New Mexico State already in the fold and the Texas schools that joined the league.

(10-20-2021 04:17 PM)Steve509 Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 04:01 PM)mustangxc Wrote:  UTEP and La Tech should probably go to the WAC. That is actually a nice little basketball conference and they would be the kings in football.

The WAC is a FCS league. LA Tech & UTEP would have to drop down.

UTEP would be a good fit for the MWC, but they don't add any value and won't be invited. They've reached out a few times but it never worked out for them.

How many FCS teams did the SBC backfill with last time? Feel like it was a lot. There are 6 left, right? Seems like they could find 4 or so FCS teams that want to make the jump. Has there ever been talk of ND State making the jump? They should if JMU moves up.

(10-20-2021 02:26 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 02:20 PM)pesik Wrote:  liberty missing out on even the sunbelt expansion is crazy...despite the long debates here.. they werent even a top 4 option for the sunbelt that can only raid an already raided c-usa

Thats what so many of us on here were saying. I am all for religious freedom but look how long it took for BYU to be accepted.

People kept saying to bring in Liberty and we all knew that was never happening. They tried to pay CUSA and they said no. Even the Sunbelt wont take them.

Their ONLY hope is that Marshall decides to stay. Then Liberty has a chance at CUSA but from what I have heard, Marshall is leaving.... but where. Sunbelt isnt their only option.

CUSA had SMU and TCU and Tulsa. everyone wants Notre Dame. its not about religious freedom or being anti christian. All my kids went to a southern baptist daycare and i took classes for a couple of semesters at a southern baptist college but no way in hell would i allow my kids to take classes at Liberty. i have zero respect for Liberty ethically or academically

C-USA in 1996
C-USA after 2021

Would UConn and UMass football be considered by C-USA, especially if the Sunbelt takes Southern Miss and Marshall?

(10-20-2021 03:18 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I just realized that if the Sunbelt do indeed get those three to leave, CUSA is dead.

Think about it. That would leave Western Kentucky, MTSU, FIU, LA Tech, and Utep. To dissolve the conference they need 75% of the members to vote yes, which wont happen but who can they add?

There are Army, Uconn, Umass, Liberty and NMSU. Army isnt happening. They just turned down a better AAC deal. Uconn and Umass would be football only. If neither is willing to join as a full member then they dont have enough to be a league. I dont believe an FBS could move up in time. Unless realignment somehow gets pushed back beyond 2023.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but an FCS school would have to announce their intent to move up and then have a two year transition time. If they did it immediately, they would be available till 2024 which would leave CUSA short by 1 team.

They have a 2 year grace period to get back into compliance. So---as long as they dont go more than 2 years with fewer than 8 all-sports FBS members---CUSA remains viable. They have time to wait for FCS move ups---but they need to move swiftly.

(10-20-2021 02:16 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Looks like they want to take Marshall, Southern Miss, ODU and James Madison.

That would leave CUSA with 5 members.

CUSA should invite Liberty and James Madison yesterday. Getting them on board as quickly as possible and attempting to stabilize your conference should be the number one priority. Otherwise you're asking to be picked apart.

(10-20-2021 02:58 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

That photo captured the true essence of CUSA.

(10-20-2021 04:31 PM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 02:26 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 02:20 PM)pesik Wrote:  liberty missing out on even the sunbelt expansion is crazy...despite the long debates here.. they werent even a top 4 option for the sunbelt that can only raid an already raided c-usa

Thats what so many of us on here were saying. I am all for religious freedom but look how long it took for BYU to be accepted.

People kept saying to bring in Liberty and we all knew that was never happening. They tried to pay CUSA and they said no. Even the Sunbelt wont take them.

Their ONLY hope is that Marshall decides to stay. Then Liberty has a chance at CUSA but from what I have heard, Marshall is leaving.... but where. Sunbelt isnt their only option.

CUSA had SMU and TCU and Tulsa. everyone wants Notre Dame. its not about religious freedom or being anti christian. All my kids went to a southern baptist daycare and i took classes for a couple of semesters at a southern baptist college but no way in hell would i allow my kids to take classes at Liberty. i have zero respect for Liberty ethically or academically

Why is that?

Lots of colleges do online classes. Maybe Liberty is just better at it.

CUSA needs to invite Liberty and New Mexico State tonight, get Liberty and James Madison in the fold by the end of the week, and work on a UMASS UCONN football only deal to strengthen the conference. We have been hearing Marshall and Southern Miss to the Sun Belt for a while.

New CUSA
UMASS
UCONN
ODU
James Madison
Liberty
New Mexico St
WKU
FIU
UTEP
MTSU
La Tech
Missouri St?

New Sun Belt
Coastal
App State
Troy
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Southern Miss
Marshall
Arkansas St
Louisiana
UL Monroe
Texas St
USA

Sun Belt looks better on paper, and CUSA lives to see another day.

(10-20-2021 02:20 PM)pesik Wrote:  liberty missing out on even the sunbelt expansion is crazy...despite the long debates here.. they werent even a top 4 option for the sunbelt that can only raid an already raided c-usa

All 12 Sun Belt members voted no for Liberty the last go round. They don't have any supporters despite the Sun Belt being synonymous with the Bible Belt.

(10-20-2021 06:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 03:18 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I just realized that if the Sunbelt do indeed get those three to leave, CUSA is dead.

Think about it. That would leave Western Kentucky, MTSU, FIU, LA Tech, and Utep. To dissolve the conference they need 75% of the members to vote yes, which wont happen but who can they add?

There are Army, Uconn, Umass, Liberty and NMSU. Army isnt happening. They just turned down a better AAC deal. Uconn and Umass would be football only. If neither is willing to join as a full member then they dont have enough to be a league. I dont believe an FBS could move up in time. Unless realignment somehow gets pushed back beyond 2023.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but an FCS school would have to announce their intent to move up and then have a two year transition time. If they did it immediately, they would be available till 2024 which would leave CUSA short by 1 team.

They have a 2 year grace period to get back into compliance. So---as long as they dont go more than 2 years with fewer than 8 all-sports FBS members---CUSA remains viable. They have time to wait for FCS move ups---but they need to move swiftly.

I think CUSA will survive. Conferences do not like to kill each other. The AAC left them viable at 8 teams and if the Sunbelt gets two schools, I can see Aresco staggering start dates of new member to give CUSA time to regroup.

(10-20-2021 09:06 PM)True Bearcat Wrote:  CUSA needs to invite Liberty and New Mexico State tonight, get Liberty and James Madison in the fold by the end of the week, and work on a UMASS UCONN football only deal to strengthen the conference. We have been hearing Marshall and Southern Miss to the Sun Belt for a while.

New CUSA
UMASS
UCONN
ODU
James Madison
Liberty
New Mexico St
WKU
FIU
UTEP
MTSU
La Tech
Missouri St?

New Sun Belt
Coastal
App State
Troy
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Southern Miss
Marshall
Arkansas St
Louisiana
UL Monroe
Texas St
USA

Sun Belt looks better on paper, and CUSA lives to see another day.

CUSA would have a conference with some pretty good bball history. ODU, NMSU, UTEP, WKU., LA Tech...could they not get UMASS to join in all sports? I wouldn't add UCONN and UMASS as football only in that scenario. I'd roll with 10 or if MO St is cut roll with 9 all sports and one of either UMASS or UCONN in football

(10-20-2021 09:30 PM)Acres Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 06:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 03:18 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I just realized that if the Sunbelt do indeed get those three to leave, CUSA is dead.

Think about it. That would leave Western Kentucky, MTSU, FIU, LA Tech, and Utep. To dissolve the conference they need 75% of the members to vote yes, which wont happen but who can they add?

There are Army, Uconn, Umass, Liberty and NMSU. Army isnt happening. They just turned down a better AAC deal. Uconn and Umass would be football only. If neither is willing to join as a full member then they dont have enough to be a league. I dont believe an FBS could move up in time. Unless realignment somehow gets pushed back beyond 2023.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but an FCS school would have to announce their intent to move up and then have a two year transition time. If they did it immediately, they would be available till 2024 which would leave CUSA short by 1 team.

They have a 2 year grace period to get back into compliance. So---as long as they dont go more than 2 years with fewer than 8 all-sports FBS members---CUSA remains viable. They have time to wait for FCS move ups---but they need to move swiftly.

I think CUSA will survive. Conferences do not like to kill each other. The AAC left them viable at 8 teams and if the Sunbelt gets two schools, I can see Aresco staggering start dates of new member to give CUSA time to regroup.

No, espn wants c-usa dead it’s over. c-usa no longer serves any purpose to well… anyone…

It’s all but confirmed that the Sunbelt is taking 4, ODU, USM, Marshall, and either JMU, or Liberty. My hunch is it will be Liberty as it has way more pro’s than the cons that JMU presents.

Then the MAC will take WKU and Middle Tennessee. Then when the MWC contract comes up in a few years I suspect the networks will convince them to take UTEP and NMSU. That will leave c-usa with 2, FIU and LA Tech. And I suspect that they will either be forced into independence or drop down to FCS. College football is due for a contraction on the number of FBS teams and it makes sense for them along with UMASS to drop down.


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(10-20-2021 10:19 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 09:30 PM)Acres Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 06:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 03:18 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I just realized that if the Sunbelt do indeed get those three to leave, CUSA is dead.

Think about it. That would leave Western Kentucky, MTSU, FIU, LA Tech, and Utep. To dissolve the conference they need 75% of the members to vote yes, which wont happen but who can they add?

There are Army, Uconn, Umass, Liberty and NMSU. Army isnt happening. They just turned down a better AAC deal. Uconn and Umass would be football only. If neither is willing to join as a full member then they dont have enough to be a league. I dont believe an FBS could move up in time. Unless realignment somehow gets pushed back beyond 2023.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but an FCS school would have to announce their intent to move up and then have a two year transition time. If they did it immediately, they would be available till 2024 which would leave CUSA short by 1 team.

They have a 2 year grace period to get back into compliance. So---as long as they dont go more than 2 years with fewer than 8 all-sports FBS members---CUSA remains viable. They have time to wait for FCS move ups---but they need to move swiftly.

I think CUSA will survive. Conferences do not like to kill each other. The AAC left them viable at 8 teams and if the Sunbelt gets two schools, I can see Aresco staggering start dates of new member to give CUSA time to regroup.

No, espn wants c-usa dead it’s over. c-usa no longer serves any purpose to well… anyone…

It’s all but confirmed that the Sunbelt is taking 4, ODU, USM, Marshall, and either JMU, or Liberty. My hunch is it will be Liberty as it has way more pro’s than the cons that JMU presents.

Then the MAC will take WKU and Middle Tennessee. Then when the MWC contract comes up in a few years I suspect the networks will convince them to take UTEP and NMSU. That will leave c-usa with 2, FIU and LA Tech. And I suspect that they will either be forced into independence or drop down to FCS. College football is due for a contraction on the number of FBS teams and it makes sense for them along with UMASS to drop down.


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ESPN couldn’t care less about the remainder of CUSA. They will not die, just like the Big12 or AAC didn’t disband as many posted. CUSA has 6 teams left, they will look to add from SunBelt first and then move to Indys like NM State,UMass,Liberty and FCS teams looking to move on like those in the WAC that is thinking of moving to FBS and JMU.

The ESPN announcers basically read the CUSA eulogy on air during our game tonight. Discussed the rise of the Sun Belt and how we may pluck a couple more off the CUSA carcass. There’s no doubt in my mind that the mouse does what the mouse wants. I’m just glad we are a small cog in that wheel.