(10-25-2021 02:30 PM)DirtyDukes Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 02:57 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  We need to shake things up and bring in a mobile qb and see how that helps the offense.

(10-23-2021 03:03 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  I’m telling you guys, part of it is Cole.

His lack of mobility does not allow a wide, diverse playbook.

Love you DD but did you miss this play:

Dude isn't being allowed to run except on designed runs because of a) terrible play calling and b) poor line play. Which I don't want him running a lot either since our entire season hinges on him. If he goes down we're sunk. But it's clear that the coaches called that play when we were desperate.

(10-23-2021 09:05 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  Don’t think Cole is a great QB in any way but our whole offense is predicated on being able to run the ball effectively. It is not a coincidence that Coles play has regressed at the same time our running game has been stymied.

Cole is the same QB he was at the end of the spring season - but you keyed in on the difference - he had solid line play and a decent running game at the end of the spring season. We're struggling with injuries and an immature O line.

How EVERYONE on this thread can lay all of our issues at Cole's feet instead of our a) playcalling and b) terrible Oline play I don't know. Y'all must be watching a different game.

Also, I say this every year but I swear our playcalling is different in games where we think we can use our talent to win. We HATE putting plays on film.

I'm going to stand up for this young offensive line of ours. They are doing an incredibly good job to be as young and green as they are. Cole has had plenty of time to throw in most cases against some very good defenses and we are still running OK (4.5 ypc on the season), even though our opponents are stacking the box.

It is our playcalling that is keeping us from blowing teams out. We continue to do what doesn't work, run up the middle. When we can get around the corner, we tear off big gains. If we did more of that, the defense would stretch to account, which would make runs between the tackles much more productive.

As for Cole's running ability, the kid can scoot. He is deceptively fast, and much more durable than many of us expected. For some reason, the pinpoint accuracy he showed in the first third of the season, even on bombs, isn't there right now. Hopefully, he can correct that subito and we decimate all of our opponents on the way to one last dance in Frisco, Texas.

(10-26-2021 07:13 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 02:30 PM)DirtyDukes Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 02:57 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  We need to shake things up and bring in a mobile qb and see how that helps the offense.

(10-23-2021 03:03 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  I’m telling you guys, part of it is Cole.

His lack of mobility does not allow a wide, diverse playbook.

Love you DD but did you miss this play:

Dude isn't being allowed to run except on designed runs because of a) terrible play calling and b) poor line play. Which I don't want him running a lot either since our entire season hinges on him. If he goes down we're sunk. But it's clear that the coaches called that play when we were desperate.

(10-23-2021 09:05 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  Don’t think Cole is a great QB in any way but our whole offense is predicated on being able to run the ball effectively. It is not a coincidence that Coles play has regressed at the same time our running game has been stymied.

Cole is the same QB he was at the end of the spring season - but you keyed in on the difference - he had solid line play and a decent running game at the end of the spring season. We're struggling with injuries and an immature O line.

How EVERYONE on this thread can lay all of our issues at Cole's feet instead of our a) playcalling and b) terrible Oline play I don't know. Y'all must be watching a different game.

Also, I say this every year but I swear our playcalling is different in games where we think we can use our talent to win. We HATE putting plays on film.

that's not what i'm talking about. that was a designed read/option/run

i'm talking about mobility in the pocket.

he does not have the ability to extend passing plays. by moving in the pocket, stepping up, scrambling for a first down.

when the pocket collapses, he is done.
when the first couple reads are not there, he is done.

being a "mobile" QB does not mean a "running" qb. it means movement in the pocket.
Cole has many excellent traits. But that lack of mobility is his fatal flaw. And it shows over and over again when we play really good defenses.

DD is correct. His inability to elude pass rushers has been his Achilles heal with a young, inexperienced OL. It’s not about his 40 yard dash time, as he has decent speed when he’s running straight downhill, but that doesn’t have anything to do with his mobility in the pocket and ability to evade pass rushers, which is what you need with an OL that is challenged like ours is currently.

It’s not that Cole is a “bad QB,” it’s a combo of Cole’s biggest weakness combined with the offenses biggest weakness as a whole (inexperienced and ineffective OL) that causes his weakness to be exponentially more impactful. Hopefully if Liam is back this weekend that will help but not sure one OL coming back will do the trick.

Agreed. Cole is a good passer with a clean pocket. Once the pocket falls apart, he struggles. He is a good QB with a young line.

Think of how many times Ben bailed us out with scrambles for first downs. Thinking deeper, defenses had to spy on him, removing a man from coverage AND RPO run fits. All of the sudden, the run and pass game look much better.

(10-25-2021 03:57 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  We won 22-10. At no point was I worried we were going to lose. I did not like how close the game was until Cole’s score in the 4th quarter though. We didn’t need to score 40 points to win this game.

Our o line isn’t dominant. We can’t line up, telegraph our play and knock other teams off the line. UD has a good defense just as Nova and UR did. We beat both UD and UR by two scores. We should have taken the lead from Nova and made them win the game by having to score late to do so.

The notion that we are playing bad defenses is not correct. These two teams have bad offenses. Our offense is good enough for us to be 6-1. We have a good defense. UR and UD can’t score enough to win against good defenses so offensively, we are not pulling all the stops out in a game against them. It’s no different than the N. Iowa playoff game a couple of years ago.

JMU is 6-1(4-0 on the road). The panic and negativity on these boards is crazy. The play calling is fine. The execution isn’t always there. The opposing defense has something to say about that. I do think we need to get better on offense to make it to the NC but we aren’t far away. Nova is as good as the best MVC teams. EWU lost at home to 2-4 Weber on Saturday so don’t tell me the Big Sky teams are better than JMU. The rest of Weber’s Big Sky games have been one score losses.

Cole is a good QB. He throws a very catchable ball accurately. He actually is pretty fast once he gets in the open field. He is not elusive like Ben was. His escapability when the pocket collapses isn’t good. He isn’t the top QB in FCS but he is a good QB that doesn’t turn the ball over very often. If you guys remember, Schor pretty much threw one pick a game.

Winning a NC will be tough this year given our inexperience on the o line and Cole’s lack of escapability. Also, please remember that we are not a trap game for anyone. We are their game of the year. It’s tough to face that week after week.

Well said! We have much to be happy about. I agree with all of that except "the play calling is fine." The past few games, we have continued to do what wasn't working (run up the middle against stacked box defenses). Our offense is vanilla and very predictable. If we can fix that, I believe we will blow every team out all the way to Frisco. I prescribe quick pitches, end arounds, jet sweeps, and quarterback draws. The defenses won't know what hit them!

(10-26-2021 08:50 AM)Purple Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 03:57 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  We won 22-10. At no point was I worried we were going to lose. I did not like how close the game was until Cole’s score in the 4th quarter though. We didn’t need to score 40 points to win this game.

Our o line isn’t dominant. We can’t line up, telegraph our play and knock other teams off the line. UD has a good defense just as Nova and UR did. We beat both UD and UR by two scores. We should have taken the lead from Nova and made them win the game by having to score late to do so.

The notion that we are playing bad defenses is not correct. These two teams have bad offenses. Our offense is good enough for us to be 6-1. We have a good defense. UR and UD can’t score enough to win against good defenses so offensively, we are not pulling all the stops out in a game against them. It’s no different than the N. Iowa playoff game a couple of years ago.

JMU is 6-1(4-0 on the road). The panic and negativity on these boards is crazy. The play calling is fine. The execution isn’t always there. The opposing defense has something to say about that. I do think we need to get better on offense to make it to the NC but we aren’t far away. Nova is as good as the best MVC teams. EWU lost at home to 2-4 Weber on Saturday so don’t tell me the Big Sky teams are better than JMU. The rest of Weber’s Big Sky games have been one score losses.

Cole is a good QB. He throws a very catchable ball accurately. He actually is pretty fast once he gets in the open field. He is not elusive like Ben was. His escapability when the pocket collapses isn’t good. He isn’t the top QB in FCS but he is a good QB that doesn’t turn the ball over very often. If you guys remember, Schor pretty much threw one pick a game.

Winning a NC will be tough this year given our inexperience on the o line and Cole’s lack of escapability. Also, please remember that we are not a trap game for anyone. We are their game of the year. It’s tough to face that week after week.

Well said! We have much to be happy about. I agree with all of that except "the play calling is fine." The past few games, we have continued to do what wasn't working (run up the middle against stacked box defenses). Our offense is vanilla and very predictable. If we can fix that, I believe we will blow every team out all the way to Frisco. I prescribe quick pitches, end arounds, jet sweeps, and quarterback draws. The defenses won't know what hit them!

Doctor Purple. I feel Black was the medicine you are prescribing. I didn’t realize what a loss it would be when he went out with an injury. Other than QB draws, he did all of the things you are prescribing. The play calling is different now that he is out of the lineup.

(10-26-2021 09:31 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 08:50 AM)Purple Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 03:57 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  We won 22-10. At no point was I worried we were going to lose. I did not like how close the game was until Cole’s score in the 4th quarter though. We didn’t need to score 40 points to win this game.

Our o line isn’t dominant. We can’t line up, telegraph our play and knock other teams off the line. UD has a good defense just as Nova and UR did. We beat both UD and UR by two scores. We should have taken the lead from Nova and made them win the game by having to score late to do so.

The notion that we are playing bad defenses is not correct. These two teams have bad offenses. Our offense is good enough for us to be 6-1. We have a good defense. UR and UD can’t score enough to win against good defenses so offensively, we are not pulling all the stops out in a game against them. It’s no different than the N. Iowa playoff game a couple of years ago.

JMU is 6-1(4-0 on the road). The panic and negativity on these boards is crazy. The play calling is fine. The execution isn’t always there. The opposing defense has something to say about that. I do think we need to get better on offense to make it to the NC but we aren’t far away. Nova is as good as the best MVC teams. EWU lost at home to 2-4 Weber on Saturday so don’t tell me the Big Sky teams are better than JMU. The rest of Weber’s Big Sky games have been one score losses.

Cole is a good QB. He throws a very catchable ball accurately. He actually is pretty fast once he gets in the open field. He is not elusive like Ben was. His escapability when the pocket collapses isn’t good. He isn’t the top QB in FCS but he is a good QB that doesn’t turn the ball over very often. If you guys remember, Schor pretty much threw one pick a game.

Winning a NC will be tough this year given our inexperience on the o line and Cole’s lack of escapability. Also, please remember that we are not a trap game for anyone. We are their game of the year. It’s tough to face that week after week.

Well said! We have much to be happy about. I agree with all of that except "the play calling is fine." The past few games, we have continued to do what wasn't working (run up the middle against stacked box defenses). Our offense is vanilla and very predictable. If we can fix that, I believe we will blow every team out all the way to Frisco. I prescribe quick pitches, end arounds, jet sweeps, and quarterback draws. The defenses won't know what hit them!

Doctor Purple. I feel Black was the medicine you are prescribing. I didn’t realize what a loss it would be when he went out with an injury. Other than QB draws, he did all of the things you are prescribing. The play calling is different now that he is out of the lineup.

Yep, I agree! I believe Vanhorse has those same skills and adds a heaping dose of receiver medicine. I'm a little disappointed in Latrele's play this year. I saw so much promise in the 60-mph bulldozer. Looking very forward to Mr. Black returning to the lineup. In the meantime, get Vanhorse around the corner and watch the streamers fly!

Vanhorse has looked good in his return. He does have some of the same skill set as Black. Black is simply bigger and stronger. Palmer had a great Freshman year. In the spring, he was no where near his Freshman level. I assumed he was hurt and no one was saying anything. This fall, he has bounced back a bit but still not at the level he played in ‘19.

(10-25-2021 02:30 PM)DirtyDukes Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 02:57 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  We need to shake things up and bring in a mobile qb and see how that helps the offense.

(10-23-2021 03:03 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  I’m telling you guys, part of it is Cole.

His lack of mobility does not allow a wide, diverse playbook.

Love you DD but did you miss this play:

Dude isn't being allowed to run except on designed runs because of a) terrible play calling and b) poor line play. Which I don't want him running a lot either since our entire season hinges on him. If he goes down we're sunk. But it's clear that the coaches called that play when we were desperate.

(10-23-2021 09:05 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  Don’t think Cole is a great QB in any way but our whole offense is predicated on being able to run the ball effectively. It is not a coincidence that Coles play has regressed at the same time our running game has been stymied.

Cole is the same QB he was at the end of the spring season - but you keyed in on the difference - he had solid line play and a decent running game at the end of the spring season. We're struggling with injuries and an immature O line.

How EVERYONE on this thread can lay all of our issues at Cole's feet instead of our a) playcalling and b) terrible Oline play I don't know. Y'all must be watching a different game.

Also, I say this every year but I swear our playcalling is different in games where we think we can use our talent to win. We HATE putting plays on film.

Haha it looks like Cole says something to the Delaware cheerleaders at the end there and they kind of look at each other confused. Cole, you sly dog!

(10-27-2021 01:03 AM)Dignan Wrote:  Haha it looks like Cole says something to the Delaware cheerleaders at the end there and they kind of look at each other confused. Cole, you sly dog!

He probably said something like, "Hey! Your investment portfolio is looking really weak! Hit me up if you want to make some REAL money!!! Go Dukes!"

(10-26-2021 09:31 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Doctor Purple. I feel Black was the medicine you are prescribing. I didn’t realize what a loss it would be when he went out with an injury. Other than QB draws, he did all of the things you are prescribing. The play calling is different now that he is out of the lineup.

Very good point.