https://pistolsfiringblog.com/byu-athlet...look-like/
Cool article from an Oklahoma State site about how the divisions could look.

If OU & UT stick around through 2025, I could see the PAC12 expanding East of the Rockies . The big12 will have a significant edge over the other power conference not named the SEC. There is a strong possibility that the Alliance deal is not giving the pac the perception boost that they need and they might expand to up the tv revenue

(12-28-2021 01:29 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  https://pistolsfiringblog.com/byu-athlet...look-like/
Cool article from an Oklahoma State site about how the divisions could look.

West / East would be ideal for Houston. You could play all but three games in Texas & OSU

That Split Tx option would not work. It would start a “former G5 narrative “ division within the big12 and Baylor would fight that travel.

I like the West East setup for Houston as well… And if favored by the league majority of new Big12 matchups are going to be must watch sick games. My

This is the setup here hope is agreed upon

WEST EAST
Baylor Cincinnati
BYU Iowa State
Houston Kansas
Oklahoma State Kansas State
TCU UCF
Texas Tech West Virginia

(01-02-2022 01:47 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  This is the setup here hope is agreed upon

WEST EAST
Baylor Cincinnati
BYU Iowa State
Houston Kansas
Oklahoma State Kansas State
TCU UCF
Texas Tech West Virginia

Lot of cold weather games for us, but I think being in a division with WVU and Cincy makes the most sense.

(01-02-2022 02:50 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(01-02-2022 01:47 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  This is the setup here hope is agreed upon

WEST EAST
Baylor Cincinnati
BYU Iowa State
Houston Kansas
Oklahoma State Kansas State
TCU UCF
Texas Tech West Virginia

Lot of cold weather games for us, but I think being in a division with WVU and Cincy makes the most sense.

Travel friendly for the West programs but specifically for BYU

First post here, Iowa State fan.

To me, you have to keep ISU, KU, KSU and OSU together. The first three have played each other for literally a century (ISU-KSU is the single longest uninterrupted series in college football, per wikipedia). Oklahoma State's history with the other three also goes back decades.

I don't think you need to consider UCF and BYU much at all in the division setup. They're on a plane no matter who they're playing. It may seem ridiculous to have UCF and BYU in the same division, but it's really only one game where it's a long ass flight.

North
Cincy
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
West Virginia

South
Baylor
BYU
Houston
TCU
Texas Tech
UCF

I think the other option would be to swap UC and WVU with two Texas schools, but I honestly think this is the best setup.

When push comes to shove I think Oklahoma St is going to opt for the Texas schools over the other Big 8 schools for recruiting purposes.

If I’m Kansas, K State, or Iowa St I’m more than happy to let the Cowboys play in the other division if it means getting UCF, and trips to Florida, instead.

(01-03-2022 11:24 AM)cc22 Wrote:  First post here, Iowa State fan.

To me, you have to keep ISU, KU, KSU and OSU together. The first three have played each other for literally a century (ISU-KSU is the single longest uninterrupted series in college football, per wikipedia). Oklahoma State's history with the other three also goes back decades.

I don't think you need to consider UCF and BYU much at all in the division setup. They're on a plane no matter who they're playing. It may seem ridiculous to have UCF and BYU in the same division, but it's really only one game where it's a long ass flight.

North
Cincy
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
West Virginia

South
Baylor
BYU
Houston
TCU
Texas Tech
UCF

I think the other option would be to swap UC and WVU with two Texas schools, but I honestly think this is the best setup.

Welcome cc, interesting point of view but wouldn’t Iowa State want to get into Florida and/or Texas for recruiting purposes?

(01-03-2022 12:31 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 11:24 AM)cc22 Wrote:  First post here, Iowa State fan.

To me, you have to keep ISU, KU, KSU and OSU together. The first three have played each other for literally a century (ISU-KSU is the single longest uninterrupted series in college football, per wikipedia). Oklahoma State's history with the other three also goes back decades.

I don't think you need to consider UCF and BYU much at all in the division setup. They're on a plane no matter who they're playing. It may seem ridiculous to have UCF and BYU in the same division, but it's really only one game where it's a long ass flight.

North
Cincy
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
West Virginia

South
Baylor
BYU
Houston
TCU
Texas Tech
UCF

I think the other option would be to swap UC and WVU with two Texas schools, but I honestly think this is the best setup.

Welcome cc, interesting point of view but wouldn’t Iowa State want to get into Florida and/or Texas for recruiting purposes?

I think that argument is overblown, ISU doesn't recruit either state heavily as is.

Besides, you can still schedule cross division to at least guarantee a game in Texas every year.

(01-03-2022 12:34 PM)cc22 Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 12:31 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 11:24 AM)cc22 Wrote:  First post here, Iowa State fan.

To me, you have to keep ISU, KU, KSU and OSU together. The first three have played each other for literally a century (ISU-KSU is the single longest uninterrupted series in college football, per wikipedia). Oklahoma State's history with the other three also goes back decades.

I don't think you need to consider UCF and BYU much at all in the division setup. They're on a plane no matter who they're playing. It may seem ridiculous to have UCF and BYU in the same division, but it's really only one game where it's a long ass flight.

North
Cincy
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
West Virginia

South
Baylor
BYU
Houston
TCU
Texas Tech
UCF

I think the other option would be to swap UC and WVU with two Texas schools, but I honestly think this is the best setup.

Welcome cc, interesting point of view but wouldn’t Iowa State want to get into Florida and/or Texas for recruiting purposes?

I think that argument is overblown, ISU doesn't recruit either state heavily as is.

Besides, you can still schedule cross division to at least guarantee a game in Texas every year.

You also have to consider that West Virginia and Cincy recruit Florida heavily and would probably want UCF in their division, and that Oklahoma State would probably prefer to be with the Texas schools though. All part of the negotiations.

(01-03-2022 12:57 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 12:34 PM)cc22 Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 12:31 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 11:24 AM)cc22 Wrote:  First post here, Iowa State fan.

To me, you have to keep ISU, KU, KSU and OSU together. The first three have played each other for literally a century (ISU-KSU is the single longest uninterrupted series in college football, per wikipedia). Oklahoma State's history with the other three also goes back decades.

I don't think you need to consider UCF and BYU much at all in the division setup. They're on a plane no matter who they're playing. It may seem ridiculous to have UCF and BYU in the same division, but it's really only one game where it's a long ass flight.

North
Cincy
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
West Virginia

South
Baylor
BYU
Houston
TCU
Texas Tech
UCF

I think the other option would be to swap UC and WVU with two Texas schools, but I honestly think this is the best setup.

Welcome cc, interesting point of view but wouldn’t Iowa State want to get into Florida and/or Texas for recruiting purposes?

I think that argument is overblown, ISU doesn't recruit either state heavily as is.

Besides, you can still schedule cross division to at least guarantee a game in Texas every year.

You also have to consider that West Virginia and Cincy recruit Florida heavily and would probably want UCF in their division, and that Oklahoma State would probably prefer to be with the Texas schools though. All part of the negotiations.

That's fair, and it's interesting to see what concessions are made to the continuing members. Maybe something that could be addressed through out-of-division rivals.

I do have a tough time seeing ISU, KU and KSU being split up, however.

I really like the idea of keeping the legacy Big 8 schools together, but I’m having a hard time coming up with a division lineup that makes sense that way. While we’ve been back to round-robin for a while, I think that if we go to a traditional division setup it’ll have to be like the early days of the Big XII where OSU was in the south away from annual matchups with every North school. If we have to go to 9 conference games due to the alliance, we’d all see most of the other division every year in any case.

(01-03-2022 11:24 AM)cc22 Wrote:  First post here, Iowa State fan.

To me, you have to keep ISU, KU, KSU and OSU together. The first three have played each other for literally a century (ISU-KSU is the single longest uninterrupted series in college football, per wikipedia). Oklahoma State's history with the other three also goes back decades.

I don't think you need to consider UCF and BYU much at all in the division setup. They're on a plane no matter who they're playing. It may seem ridiculous to have UCF and BYU in the same division, but it's really only one game where it's a long ass flight.

North
Cincy
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
West Virginia

South
Baylor
BYU
Houston
TCU
Texas Tech
UCF

I think the other option would be to swap UC and WVU with two Texas schools, but I honestly think this is the best setup.

No way I see a setup as this ^^^ pass… Brutal for both BYU and UCF

(01-03-2022 08:22 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 11:24 AM)cc22 Wrote:  First post here, Iowa State fan.

To me, you have to keep ISU, KU, KSU and OSU together. The first three have played each other for literally a century (ISU-KSU is the single longest uninterrupted series in college football, per wikipedia). Oklahoma State's history with the other three also goes back decades.

I don't think you need to consider UCF and BYU much at all in the division setup. They're on a plane no matter who they're playing. It may seem ridiculous to have UCF and BYU in the same division, but it's really only one game where it's a long ass flight.

North
Cincy
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
West Virginia

South
Baylor
BYU
Houston
TCU
Texas Tech
UCF

I think the other option would be to swap UC and WVU with two Texas schools, but I honestly think this is the best setup.

No way I see a setup as this ^^^ pass… Brutal for both BYU and UCF

There's no real setup that isn't brutal for at least one of them, that's just part of the deal.

(01-03-2022 02:59 PM)cc22 Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 12:57 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 12:34 PM)cc22 Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 12:31 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 11:24 AM)cc22 Wrote:  First post here, Iowa State fan.

To me, you have to keep ISU, KU, KSU and OSU together. The first three have played each other for literally a century (ISU-KSU is the single longest uninterrupted series in college football, per wikipedia). Oklahoma State's history with the other three also goes back decades.

I don't think you need to consider UCF and BYU much at all in the division setup. They're on a plane no matter who they're playing. It may seem ridiculous to have UCF and BYU in the same division, but it's really only one game where it's a long ass flight.

North
Cincy
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
West Virginia

South
Baylor
BYU
Houston
TCU
Texas Tech
UCF

I think the other option would be to swap UC and WVU with two Texas schools, but I honestly think this is the best setup.

Welcome cc, interesting point of view but wouldn’t Iowa State want to get into Florida and/or Texas for recruiting purposes?

I think that argument is overblown, ISU doesn't recruit either state heavily as is.

Besides, you can still schedule cross division to at least guarantee a game in Texas every year.

You also have to consider that West Virginia and Cincy recruit Florida heavily and would probably want UCF in their division, and that Oklahoma State would probably prefer to be with the Texas schools though. All part of the negotiations.

That's fair, and it's interesting to see what concessions are made to the continuing members. Maybe something that could be addressed through out-of-division rivals.

I do have a tough time seeing ISU, KU and KSU being split up, however.

I don’t think Iowa State would be split up from the Kansas schools in any of these scenarios, but being split from Oklahoma State is a very real possibility.

(01-02-2022 02:50 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(01-02-2022 01:47 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  This is the setup here hope is agreed upon

WEST EAST
Baylor Cincinnati
BYU Iowa State
Houston Kansas
Oklahoma State Kansas State
TCU UCF
Texas Tech West Virginia

Lot of cold weather games for us, but I think being in a division with WVU and Cincy makes the most sense.

your admissions office will love all the applications that pour in from WV and the Midwest as a result of those cold weather games. There’s a fair number of kids looking for somewhere warm to go to school.

Big XII divisions should be zippered to allow "equivalent" access, exposure and travel. There should be one to two annual cross division games to maintain/build rivalries. Each team will then play 5 division games, 1 annual cross division games, and 2 rotating cross division games. Listed are annual cross division games.

WEST : EAST

KSU : KU
TTU: UH
TCU: Baylor
ISU : UCF
BYU : OSU
UC : WVU

Each division has 4 old b12 and 2 new. For recruiting each has two in texas, one in kansas, one in midwest (ISU & OSU), one ohio valley (UC & WVU). (it could also have been BYU - ISU and OSU - UCF). until OU and UT leaves: OU west : UT east

(01-04-2022 04:55 PM)Huan Wrote:  Big XII divisions should be zippered to allow "equivalent" access, exposure and travel. There should be one to two annual cross division games to maintain/build rivalries. Each team will then play 5 division games, 1 annual cross division games, and 2 rotating cross division games. Listed are annual cross division games.

WEST : EAST

KSU : KU
TTU: UH
TCU: Baylor
ISU : UCF
BYU : OSU
UC : WVU

Each division has 4 old b12 and 2 new. For recruiting each has two in texas, one in kansas, one in midwest (ISU & OSU), one ohio valley (UC & WVU). (it could also have been BYU - ISU and OSU - UCF). until OU and UT leaves: OU west : UT east

Not a bad setup - it’s certainly balanced in many ways. It keeps BYU from having to fly even farther to WVU and UCF. It would be weird not playing ISU every year - we’ve had OSU as a cross division rival before but not the Cyclones.