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(03-06-2022 10:00 AM)BTC Wrote:  Hey all. New to the board, new to the ASUN, and to the JU family. Coastal Carolina alum, so my disdain for all things Liberty remains...

Been a fun season. I'm obviously hoping JU can close out this perfect record at Swisher. Bellarmine won't be easy and it is clearly looking like they were a great addition to the conference. Thankfully I have JU basketball to root for because Chanticleer basketball is dreadful to watch and has been for years. Loved watching ASUN games this year.

Welcome... But it won't be long and you will have to watch CUSA version 6.1 to hate Liberty...
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(03-06-2022 11:21 AM)lion1983 Wrote:  
(03-06-2022 10:00 AM)BTC Wrote:  Hey all. New to the board, new to the ASUN, and to the JU family. Coastal Carolina alum, so my disdain for all things Liberty remains...

Been a fun season. I'm obviously hoping JU can close out this perfect record at Swisher. Bellarmine won't be easy and it is clearly looking like they were a great addition to the conference. Thankfully I have JU basketball to root for because Chanticleer basketball is dreadful to watch and has been for years. Loved watching ASUN games this year.

Welcome... But it won't be long and you will have to watch CUSA version 6.1 to hate Liberty...


I'm okay with that...

But, yeah, they'll leave a hole. Was sitting through the expansion thread a bit. I'm assuming we'll pick up some discarded pieces from the Big South to some degree (some of which aren't too bad and fit with other sports like Lacrosse).
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I believe it shows the depth of the ASUN that two of the privates (Jacksonville & Bellarmine) are in the basketball championship game.
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(03-06-2022 12:48 PM)BTC Wrote:  
(03-06-2022 11:21 AM)lion1983 Wrote:  
(03-06-2022 10:00 AM)BTC Wrote:  Hey all. New to the board, new to the ASUN, and to the JU family. Coastal Carolina alum, so my disdain for all things Liberty remains...

Been a fun season. I'm obviously hoping JU can close out this perfect record at Swisher. Bellarmine won't be easy and it is clearly looking like they were a great addition to the conference. Thankfully I have JU basketball to root for because Chanticleer basketball is dreadful to watch and has been for years. Loved watching ASUN games this year.

Welcome... But it won't be long and you will have to watch CUSA version 6.1 to hate Liberty...


I'm okay with that...

But, yeah, they'll leave a hole. Was sitting through the expansion thread a bit. I'm assuming we'll pick up some discarded pieces from the Big South to some degree (some of which aren't too bad and fit with other sports like Lacrosse).

I don't think we get any Big South school, we are looking for Public state funded schools that play football...
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(03-06-2022 09:53 AM)unalions Wrote:  Bellarmine and JU went to OT earlier in the season. Should be a great game! Sadly, the best BU can do is get a bid to the CBI or CIT. They played in the CBI last season.

Keep hearing that, if Bellarmine can pull off the win, they're in the NIT.

Looking forward to the contest. Go Knights!
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(03-06-2022 10:00 AM)BTC Wrote:  Hey all. New to the board, new to the ASUN, and to the JU family. Coastal Carolina alum, so my disdain for all things Liberty remains...

Been a fun season. I'm obviously hoping JU can close out this perfect record at Swisher. Bellarmine won't be easy and it is clearly looking like they were a great addition to the conference. Thankfully I have JU basketball to root for because Chanticleer basketball is dreadful to watch and has been for years. Loved watching ASUN games this year.

It has been a great season to watch.
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(03-06-2022 04:52 PM)BellarmineGrad Wrote:  
(03-06-2022 09:53 AM)unalions Wrote:  Bellarmine and JU went to OT earlier in the season. Should be a great game! Sadly, the best BU can do is get a bid to the CBI or CIT. They played in the CBI last season.

Keep hearing that, if Bellarmine can pull off the win, they're in the NIT.

Looking forward to the contest. Go Knights!

To my knowledge, I could be wrong, teams in transition are not eligible for any NCAA operated event which includes the NIT. If they win, I hope I’m wrong. The entire postseason ban situation during transition is horrible.
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Yeah, the transition postseason ban is asinine. In an email today to the student body (which now includes yours truly back at the alma mater for a second go-round), the BU prez indicated that the university is going to petition for a rule change in the off-season.

The local media and even BU players are saying the Knights are in the NIT with a win, though, which would be cool:
https://www.wdrb.com/sports/crawford-sti...c9b71.html
https://www.wdrb.com/sports-paige-rick-b...ae02c.html

The final is at an odd time, but I'm hoping for a good crowd at Freedom Hall on Tuesday.

Been a fun "ride" regardless what happens, and the words of support from you guys here on the board are appreciated.
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As great a story as this is, does anything think Bellarmine has an NIT resume regardless of eligibility? Typically from a conference at this level it takes more than eeking out a 20-win season. That's more like a CIT kind of resume typically (believe me...we know from experience).
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(03-06-2022 08:44 PM)eku05 Wrote:  As great a story as this is, does anything think Bellarmine has an NIT resume regardless of eligibility? Typically from a conference at this level it takes more than eeking out a 20-win season. That's more like a CIT kind of resume typically (believe me...we know from experience).

The impression I get is that (regardless of "resume," less than twenty wins, etc.) it'll be an automatic "consolation prize" for the post-season ban. Not sure where, if anywhere, such is memorialized in writing.
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(03-06-2022 08:44 PM)eku05 Wrote:  As great a story as this is, does anything think Bellarmine has an NIT resume regardless of eligibility? Typically from a conference at this level it takes more than eeking out a 20-win season. That's more like a CIT kind of resume typically (believe me...we know from experience).

Yes
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(03-07-2022 12:21 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  
(03-06-2022 08:44 PM)eku05 Wrote:  As great a story as this is, does anything think Bellarmine has an NIT resume regardless of eligibility? Typically from a conference at this level it takes more than eeking out a 20-win season. That's more like a CIT kind of resume typically (believe me...we know from experience).

Yes

I can assure you with 100% certainty that barring somet sort of special consideration due to their status, Bellarmine does not have what is typically considered an NIT-worthy resume. They aren't even an NIT bubble team without some kind of a special exception. I know some of you guys are new to D1 here, but a team from the ASUN sitting here on March 7 yet to earn win number 20 is not in the conversation...again, without some kind of special exemption.

I just spoke to a co-worker of mine who is married to Bellarmine's SID and follows the program closely. She seems to be under the impression that the NIT is not in play. I'm also acquaintances/social media contacts with Coach Davenport's daughter-in-law who posts frequently about the team. She referred to tonight pretty definitively as the last game for the four seniors.

Now, that's not to say that either or both of them could be wrong. I hope they are. And even if they're not, it certainly seems like the CBI could be an option. Are they playing the CIT this year? I would just be shocked to see NIT without something out of the ordinary being in place.
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(03-07-2022 01:47 PM)eku05 Wrote:  
(03-07-2022 12:21 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  
(03-06-2022 08:44 PM)eku05 Wrote:  As great a story as this is, does anything think Bellarmine has an NIT resume regardless of eligibility? Typically from a conference at this level it takes more than eeking out a 20-win season. That's more like a CIT kind of resume typically (believe me...we know from experience).

Yes

I can assure you with 100% certainty that barring somet sort of special consideration due to their status, Bellarmine does not have what is typically considered an NIT-worthy resume. They aren't even an NIT bubble team without some kind of a special exception. I know some of you guys are new to D1 here, but a team from the ASUN sitting here on March 7 yet to earn win number 20 is not in the conversation...again, without some kind of special exemption.

I just spoke to a co-worker of mine who is married to Bellarmine's SID and follows the program closely. She seems to be under the impression that the NIT is not in play. I'm also acquaintances/social media contacts with Coach Davenport's daughter-in-law who posts frequently about the team. She referred to tonight pretty definitively as the last game for the four seniors.

Now, that's not to say that either or both of them could be wrong. I hope they are. And even if they're not, it certainly seems like the CBI could be an option. Are they playing the CIT this year? I would just be shocked to see NIT without something out of the ordinary being in place.
adding to that, 4 of their wins were against non d1 teams.
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The only "special consideration" mid-majors get from the NIT is that teams winning the regular season championship who don't win the conference tournament get an autobid to the NIT.

It doesn't work the other way around for teams ineligible for the conference's NCAA autobid.

And it takes one whale of a resume for a mid-tier mid-major to get a non-regular-season champ in the NIT. That tourney is basically just an old boys network for the Power 5 conferences.

You can get an NIT bid from the SEC with 15 wins.

You'll be passed over by the NIT even with 25 wins if you're from a lower tier conference.
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(03-07-2022 01:47 PM)eku05 Wrote:  
(03-07-2022 12:21 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  
(03-06-2022 08:44 PM)eku05 Wrote:  As great a story as this is, does anything think Bellarmine has an NIT resume regardless of eligibility? Typically from a conference at this level it takes more than eeking out a 20-win season. That's more like a CIT kind of resume typically (believe me...we know from experience).

Yes

I can assure you with 100% certainty that barring somet sort of special consideration due to their status, Bellarmine does not have what is typically considered an NIT-worthy resume. They aren't even an NIT bubble team without some kind of a special exception. I know some of you guys are new to D1 here, but a team from the ASUN sitting here on March 7 yet to earn win number 20 is not in the conversation...again, without some kind of special exemption.

I just spoke to a co-worker of mine who is married to Bellarmine's SID and follows the program closely. She seems to be under the impression that the NIT is not in play. I'm also acquaintances/social media contacts with Coach Davenport's daughter-in-law who posts frequently about the team. She referred to tonight pretty definitively as the last game for the four seniors.

Now, that's not to say that either or both of them could be wrong. I hope they are. And even if they're not, it certainly seems like the CBI could be an option. Are they playing the CIT this year? I would just be shocked to see NIT without something out of the ordinary being in place.

Thats all well and good.... I said yes because I will support my conference schools... Not for any other reason.
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Quote:Thats all well and good.... I said yes because I will support my conference schools... Not for any other reason.

That's totally fair, but I didn't ask who we were supporting. I asked about their resume. Objectively, it's just not there. There's no shame in that. What they've done in year two of their transition is remarkable.
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According to Topbet JU is a 3.5 point underdog.
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Some good conversation here over such an interesting topic, especially after postseason cancellations of the past few years.

To eku05's question, no, Bellarmine in no way has the resume to be considered for the NIT under normal circumstances. I've followed March Madness and the NIT since the 80s. Like poster board and markers as a band nerd kid. LOL. I love this time of year!!

What sucks is that, if BU wins, we have all of this uncertainly for a team that legit just won a D1 conference tournament. Mind-boggling. NCAA, do better! Now, if they lose, what happens? To me, this team deserves more games! (And I think they'll get it. Hear me out!)

First of all, if JU wins, kudos. Mincy has come in and totally turned this club around.

If Bellarmine wins, and after eku's comments, I'm pretty certain in the sad reality that BU is not eligible for the NIT regardless of the outcome of the game. When UNA was in the situation last year, there was never any mention of the NIT if UNA won (not that they had BU's record, etc.). Only that LU was the regular-season champs and would be March Madness-bound either way. Of course, this year, that's complicated with JSU not being in the game. But, seems concrete, that JSU will be in March Madness if JU loses. JU will be where? Y'all will have to educate me on that. And Liberty? Anywhere?

There's a lot of postseason ball to be played. Of course, the NCAA Tournament and the NIT. It appears the CBI is on again this year with a field of 16 teams. Bellarmine and Stetson both played in it last season advancing to the semifinals.

The CIT is now The Basketball Classic. It will have a field of 32 teams. Commish Gumbart used to be on the CIT Committee before it was canceled two consecutive seasons for COVID.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Basketball_Classic

So, with all of that, what do y'all think? How many ASUN teams can play more this year and potentially where?

Current ASUN NET Rankings:

Rank/Previous/School/Conference/Record/Road/Neutral/Home/Quad1/Quad2/Quad3/Quad4
118 119 Liberty ASUN 19-11 6-3 3-5 10-3 0-1 0-2 7-4 12-4
139 139 Jacksonville St. ASUN 19-10 9-5 1-1 9-4 0-2 1-1 4-3 14-4
160 160 Jacksonville ASUN 17-9 6-9 0-0 11-0 0-0 0-3 2-6 15-0
195 194 FGCU ASUN 19-11 6-8 0-0 13-3 0-1 1-1 2-5 16-4
199 199 Bellarmine ASUN 15-13 8-8 1-1 6-4 0-5 1-1 2-4 12-3
223 226 Kennesaw St. ASUN 9-18 3-12 0-0 6-6 0-3 0-3 2-7 7-5
267 267 Lipscomb ASUN 11-19 3-13 2-0 6-6 1-3 0-4 0-5 10-7
268 268 Eastern Ky. ASUN 9-18 1-13 0-0 8-5 0-1 0-2 0-7 9-8
275 275 North Florida ASUN 8-20 4-15 0-0 4-5 0-5 0-5 3-3 5-7
306 306 Stetson ASUN 7-19 4-11 0-0 3-8 0-1 0-2 2-7 5-9
315 315 North Ala. ASUN 5-21 2-12 0-2 3-7 0-3 0-3 1-6 4-9
317 317 Central Ark. ASUN 9-20 3-14 0-2 6-4 0-5 0-1 2-8 7-6

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball...t-rankings
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Liberty MBB has opted out of any postseason play. They will not pursue any tournaments.
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(03-07-2022 06:41 PM)army56mike Wrote:  Liberty MBB has opted out of any postseason play. They will not pursue any tournaments.

Wow. Interesting.
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