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RE: OT: If you ran C-USA...
(10-15-2021 10:06 PM)Usajags Wrote:  The problem is no one knows who’s staying or going. So how do you address it with the schools???
This.

There’s honestly nothing for C-USA to do or worry about doing, until the other leagues make their moves. C-USA is obviously the low man on the totem pole, and there is nothing the league can offer any of it’s members that would make them want to stay, if they have the chance to escape.

Now with that said, it is genuinely possible, imho, that when the dust settles, only 4 C-USA teams will be given that chance. And then the 10 remainers might decide to simply stand fast and not invite any new additions.

But if C-USA really does get shaved down to (say) 8 or 9 teams and simply must expand, I feel like Liberty would be at/near the top of the list. Whether those remaining 8 or 9 C-USA programs truly wants Liberty or not, or likes them or not, won’t be relevant at that point. It will be a matter of survival.
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RE: OT: If you ran C-USA...
(10-17-2021 08:45 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(10-15-2021 10:06 PM)Usajags Wrote:  The problem is no one knows who’s staying or going. So how do you address it with the schools???
This.

There’s honestly nothing for C-USA to do or worry about doing, until the other leagues make their moves. C-USA is obviously the low man on the totem pole, and there is nothing the league can offer any of it’s members that would make them want to stay, if they have the chance to escape.

Now with that said, it is genuinely possible, imho, that when the dust settles, only 4 C-USA teams will be given that chance. And then the 10 remainers might decide to simply stand fast and not invite any new additions.

But if C-USA really does get shaved down to (say) 8 or 9 teams and simply must expand, I feel like Liberty would be at/near the top of the list. Whether those remaining 8 or 9 C-USA programs truly wants Liberty or not, or likes them or not, won’t be relevant at that point. It will be a matter of survival.

They may take Liberty, but it won’t be the Liberty of today. Once Freeze takes his next job, which will happen this off season, Liberty will just be another middle of the pack G5 program, unless Urban Meyer needs a rehab stint. Who else really wants that job?
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RE: OT: If you ran C-USA...
(10-17-2021 08:55 AM)Usajags Wrote:  [C-USA] may take Liberty, but it won’t be the Liberty of today. Once Freeze takes his next job, which will happen this off season, Liberty will just be another middle of the pack G5 program, unless Urban Meyer needs a rehab stint. Who else really wants that job?
Agreed that Freeze has one foot out the door already. But his personal brand, after all, is even more toxic than Liberty’s overall brand. (Yes, it is). I don’t think it’s guaranteed that a P5 really wants to deal with that, if they have other options. Maybe. We’ll see.

Every time a school hire a new HC, it’s a crapshoot. You never really know for sure how it will turn out. When Liberty is forced to roll the dice, they’ll be taking the same chance as anyone else. But if they are willing to provide another HC with the same kind of money/resources that they have given Freeze, then they will have several promising candidates to choose from.
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RE: OT: If you ran C-USA...
(10-17-2021 09:11 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(10-17-2021 08:55 AM)Usajags Wrote:  [C-USA] may take Liberty, but it won’t be the Liberty of today. Once Freeze takes his next job, which will happen this off season, Liberty will just be another middle of the pack G5 program, unless Urban Meyer needs a rehab stint. Who else really wants that job?
Agreed that Freeze has one foot out the door already. But his personal brand, after all, is even more toxic than Liberty’s overall brand. (Yes, it is). I don’t think it’s guaranteed that a P5 really wants to deal with that, if they have other options. Maybe. We’ll see.

Every time a school hire a new HC, it’s a crapshoot. You never really know for sure how it will turn out. When Liberty is forced to roll the dice, they’ll be taking the same chance as anyone else. But if they are willing to provide another HC with the same kind of money/resources that they have given Freeze, then they will have several promising candidates to choose from.

But that’s the big question, will they give those same resources??? There has been a change at the top of the school and we don’t know where the new president places athletics on the importance list. Junior was the one that wanted the DI program, and spent the money, does the school still have the same direction???
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RE: OT: If you ran C-USA...
(10-17-2021 09:17 AM)Usajags Wrote:  
(10-17-2021 09:11 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Every time a school hire a new HC, it’s a crapshoot. You never really know for sure how it will turn out. When Liberty is forced to roll the dice, they’ll be taking the same chance as anyone else. But if they are willing to provide another HC with the same kind of money/resources that they have given Freeze, then they will have several promising candidates to choose from.

But that’s the big question, will they give those same resources??? There has been a change at the top of the school and we don’t know where the new president places athletics on the importance list. Junior was the one that wanted the DI program, and spent the money, does the school still have the same direction???
If Liberty’s new, post-Falwell leadership wants to de-emphasize Athletics (or at least, de-emphasize football), then yes that will be a dealbreaker, in terms of joining C-USA.

My guess, though, is that the commitment to FBS-level Athletics is unchanged with the new team at Liberty. I also think the fact that Falwell is in the rear-view mirror will make Liberty much more palatable to a lot more potential sports/business/academic partnerships, than it was before.
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RE: OT: If you ran C-USA...
1. I would make sure everybody knows CUSA is not going anywhere:
A.. Have cash over 8 million and no debt.
B. Have an automatic bid to NCAA tourney.
C. Member of the G5.
2. All you can do, at this point, is wait and see who stays and who leaves.
3. Prepare for worse case scenario that you lose Marshall, UNCC, UAB, North Texas, Rice, UTSA, USM, and FAU. This would leave you with 6 Schools, but with the exception of WKU/MTSU the rest are on an Island. Should this happen try to find four schools and get each one a travel partner:
A. UTEP/NMSU
B. La Tech/ Jacksonville State
C. ODU/James Madison
D. FIU? Can't think of anybody close enough so I would get Liberty.
4. Bring in somebody who can negotiate a TV Deal (Delaney) and hope you can offset some of your travel cost.
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RE: OT: If you ran C-USA...
(10-17-2021 09:56 AM)Herd6993 Wrote:  1. I would make sure everybody knows CUSA is not going anywhere:
A.. Have cash over 8 million and no debt.
B. Have an automatic bid to NCAA tourney.
C. Member of the G5.
2. All you can do, at this point, is wait and see who stays and who leaves.
3. Prepare for worse case scenario that you lose Marshall, UNCC, UAB, North Texas, Rice, UTSA, USM, and FAU. This would leave you with 6 Schools, but with the exception of WKU/MTSU the rest are on an Island. Should this happen try to find four schools and get each one a travel partner:
A. UTEP/NMSU
B. La Tech/ Jacksonville State
C. ODU/James Madison
D. FIU? Can't think of anybody close enough so I would get Liberty.
4. Bring in somebody who can negotiate a TV Deal (Delaney) and hope you can offset some of your travel cost.

Time to get FGCU to start football. Floridajag would be happy to help them organize it.
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RE: OT: If you ran C-USA...
(10-17-2021 08:55 AM)Usajags Wrote:  
(10-17-2021 08:45 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(10-15-2021 10:06 PM)Usajags Wrote:  The problem is no one knows who’s staying or going. So how do you address it with the schools???
This.

There’s honestly nothing for C-USA to do or worry about doing, until the other leagues make their moves. C-USA is obviously the low man on the totem pole, and there is nothing the league can offer any of it’s members that would make them want to stay, if they have the chance to escape.

Now with that said, it is genuinely possible, imho, that when the dust settles, only 4 C-USA teams will be given that chance. And then the 10 remainers might decide to simply stand fast and not invite any new additions.

But if C-USA really does get shaved down to (say) 8 or 9 teams and simply must expand, I feel like Liberty would be at/near the top of the list. Whether those remaining 8 or 9 C-USA programs truly wants Liberty or not, or likes them or not, won’t be relevant at that point. It will be a matter of survival.

They may take Liberty, but it won’t be the Liberty of today. Once Freeze takes his next job, which will happen this off season, Liberty will just be another middle of the pack G5 program, unless Urban Meyer needs a rehab stint. Who else really wants that job?

Someone who enjoys the idea of making multiple millions of dollars without SEC-like pressure to win big, but doesn't mind institution controversy.
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RE: OT: If you ran C-USA...
(10-17-2021 10:21 AM)Usajags Wrote:  
(10-17-2021 09:56 AM)Herd6993 Wrote:  1. I would make sure everybody knows CUSA is not going anywhere:
A.. Have cash over 8 million and no debt.
B. Have an automatic bid to NCAA tourney.
C. Member of the G5.
2. All you can do, at this point, is wait and see who stays and who leaves.
3. Prepare for worse case scenario that you lose Marshall, UNCC, UAB, North Texas, Rice, UTSA, USM, and FAU. This would leave you with 6 Schools, but with the exception of WKU/MTSU the rest are on an Island. Should this happen try to find four schools and get each one a travel partner:
A. UTEP/NMSU
B. La Tech/ Jacksonville State
C. ODU/James Madison
D. FIU? Can't think of anybody close enough so I would get Liberty.
4. Bring in somebody who can negotiate a TV Deal (Delaney) and hope you can offset some of your travel cost.

Time to get FGCU to start football. Floridajag would be happy to help them organize it.

That’d be great! My wife grew up in the Fort Myers / Cape Coral area. Her uncle is a FGCU alum
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RE: OT: If you ran C-USA...
(10-16-2021 10:11 PM)panama Wrote:  
(10-16-2021 06:58 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(10-16-2021 08:30 AM)panama Wrote:  
(10-16-2021 12:01 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  I guess I’d wait and see who I had left. I’d try to get a small deal with ESPN and call up whatever FCS schools are willing and have FBS level resources and start trying to grow. I basically would do what Karl Benson had to do.
This.

Their major mistake in 2012-14 was going to 14 instead of 12 and spreading out too far. Charlotte to Atlanta to Dallas isn't the same as WV to Miami to El Paso. I know they get hammered for MARKETZ but in my opinion that was their biggest mistake.

The problem I see is that if they get poached 1) it's not like half the conference will be poached. That's message forum ridiculousness[/b]. 2) the outlier schools are actually the least likely to be poached. So what happens if you're down to say 10 and still have UTEP, Marshall and FIU?

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It's not that ridiculous.

It isn't that hard to imagine the MW taking UNT and UTSA, the AAC taking Rice and UAB, and the SB taking USM and Marshall. That's 6/14, just shy of half.

If the AAC goes to 12 instead of 10, and takes just one more C-USA team, that's 7 taken from C-USA. If it takes two more, say, FAU and Charlotte, that's more than half the league gone. And, most radical of all, if the SB decides to go to 14 with WKU and JMU, C-USA is down nine schools.

But losing six isn't a ridiculous idea. It's almost conservative.
Presidents don't think like business tycoons. They are far more Pragmatic.

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Panama,

This post didn't age well. USM is all but confirmed to be going to the Belt, which makes half of C-USA now poached. Marshall would make more than half.

;-)
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To remain viable, CUSA needs to seriously look at some very good HBCUs like NC A and T, Jackson State or Grambling.
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RE: OT: If you ran C-USA...
(10-17-2021 08:55 AM)Usajags Wrote:  
(10-17-2021 08:45 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(10-15-2021 10:06 PM)Usajags Wrote:  The problem is no one knows who’s staying or going. So how do you address it with the schools???
This.

There’s honestly nothing for C-USA to do or worry about doing, until the other leagues make their moves. C-USA is obviously the low man on the totem pole, and there is nothing the league can offer any of it’s members that would make them want to stay, if they have the chance to escape.

Now with that said, it is genuinely possible, imho, that when the dust settles, only 4 C-USA teams will be given that chance. And then the 10 remainers might decide to simply stand fast and not invite any new additions.

But if C-USA really does get shaved down to (say) 8 or 9 teams and simply must expand, I feel like Liberty would be at/near the top of the list. Whether those remaining 8 or 9 C-USA programs truly wants Liberty or not, or likes them or not, won’t be relevant at that point. It will be a matter of survival.

They may take Liberty, but it won’t be the Liberty of today. Once Freeze takes his next job, which will happen this off season, Liberty will just be another middle of the pack G5 program, unless Urban Meyer needs a rehab stint. Who else really wants that job?
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