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RE: O. T.--- OVC-- Southland sched. Alliance announced
(11-12-2021 07:02 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(11-11-2021 09:24 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(11-11-2021 04:45 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(11-11-2021 02:01 PM)eku05 Wrote:  
(11-11-2021 12:43 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  WKU did not keep EKU out of CUSA. We were headed to the MAC. That would have left an opening for EKU in CUSA and there is NOTHING we could have done about it at all. I am almost sure you would have been added if we got the MAC. WKU was inches from a MAC invite. We will be trying again as we have established connections with the MAC. If we become a member of the MAC in three years-- you will probably be added by CUSA. We WERE/ARE focused on getting out of CUSA to the MAC or SBC. ALL these events indirectly effect other schools-- that is just the way it is. We are not focused on EKU-- we have enough problems of our own. So if you want to blame someone-- it is MT who kept you from FBS--although it was indirect and the farthest thing from their mind.

Extra-- WKU, EKU to MAC would never happen since MAC does not take FCS schools-- their current policy.

Translation: They won't take an FCS team until it makes sense for them to do so. Are you telling me they wouldn't have taken James Madison if JMU was interested. Please. I get that they aren't interested in us, but they'd take an FCS team if it really appealed to them.

Also, you're not going to convince me that WKU won't rally the votes against EKU if C-USA decides to add one more. I hope I'm wrong. I think that rivalry inside of a conference would bring a lot of energy to both programs, but I doubt it will happen (at least not now).

Now the other possibility is that C-USA stands pat at 9 for now in which case you're correct, none of this is WKU's fault.

The irony is that if the situation was flipped and it was the Sunbelt that was in trouble then we would have gotten in instead of JSU because Troy would have rallied the votes against them. It's a really shame that the politics affects this so much.

The double irony is that WKU was interested in the MAC, in which 75% of the current membership is in either Ohio or Michigan. Literally half of the teams are in Ohio alone. They have lots of great rivalries. They have schools that make sense together. And as a result they have the stability that every other G5 league admires. I'd like to see the new C-USA create that, and adding both EKU and Chattanooga would be a great start.

UT-Chattanooga and EKU overlap existing C-USA schools in a negative way. Rivalries are great but you don't want two schools fighting over the same fans, local coverage, and limited support.

This attitude is what lands you giant footprints and lots of long road trip. The MAC has 9 schools in 2 states and they do just fine. 2 KY and 2 TN schools will be just fine.

The MAC does just fine? In what way? How many good brands do they have? How many top 25 teams do they have in football and men's basketball? What's the difference between a Bowling Green and Akron or Toledo? Western Michigan and Central Michigan? I'd argue their biggest breakthroughs have been Buffalo (basketball) and Northern Illinois (football), two schools that aren't competing with other MAC schools in their market. WMU had a NY6 bowl and immediately went back to being vanilla.

This is Division I. This is FBS. Athletics is marketing for the schools. Go spread the brand and reach new prospective students. If you want to compete against your own state schools (and maybe the next state over if you are feeling dangerous), go back to Division II or lower and save all the money by busing to away games, lower salaries, and less scholarships.

That is, to put it bluntly, absurd. Let's look at the really powerful conferences shall we? THIS is Division I. THIS is FBS.

SEC: 2 in Alabama, 2 in Mississippi, 2 in Tennessee, 2 in Texas (soon)

ACC: 4 in North Carolina, 2 in Florida, 2 in Virginia

Pac 12: 3 in California, 2 in Washington, 2 in Oregon, 2 in Arizona

Big 10: 2 in Indiana, 2 in Michigan, 2 in Illinois

Big 12: 2 in Kansas, 4 in Texas (both before and after the coming moves), 2 in Oklahoma (for now)


Don't get me wrong. There is something to be said for spreading your brand as well, but my point was that WKU was beating down the door to get into a conference where 75% of the teams are in two states. It's a conference that actually makes sense, and it accomplishes what it needs to for the institutions in question. My only point is that a second team in C-USA from Kentucky hardly makes it too crowded. In fact, look at all of the intense in-state rivalries in the conferences I listed above. They thrive on those kinds of things.

Also, on the MAC football side there was that one magical season at Kent State, and the PJ Fleck era at Western Michigan. Central Michigan has been a cradle of coaches with Brian Kelly and Butch Jones being back -to-back head coaches. MAC basketball is solid as well even though they don't have a ton of top 25 teams. The regularly have crowds of 10,000 plus at the conference tournament.
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RE: O. T.--- OVC-- Southland sched. Alliance announced
UTC or Kennesaw, while in different states, would compete with us for recruits and students but I would take either as conference mates.

Competition is fun so bring it on. We either rise up or get our brains beat in.
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(11-12-2021 09:43 AM)LexColonel Wrote:  
(11-12-2021 01:16 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  I'm afraid the next move by CUSA will be far west of Kentucky. We have five in the East now-- four in the WEST. It is easy to see where the next add comes from. This is bad for WKU (sick of Tex.) and ANY team East of the Mississippi.

WKU can not control this Texas-centric influence- so don't blame us if no eastern U.S. school is added.

I will repeat. If WKU was in the MAC (came VERY close)- then EKU would probably be in CUSA>>> blame MT not WKU.

It is really that simple. WKU does not pull these strings. It has not exactly been "good times" for us lately either as we have been turned down by the AAC, SBC, and the MAC. IF we had been accepted by any of these leagues-- EKU would be in C-USA. No need to gripe at WKU except that we have swung three times and are OUT-- which has kept you out.

We have beat this dead horse..
I did not say that Western kept us out of the CUSA deal… my intensions were to make this point: most WKU fans on the CUSA Board were degrading EKU with false information and demeaning comments to influence others on a message board. I also said we ( EKU) understand realignment and also I doubt that those who make the decisions read message boards. This slid way south as things on message boards tend to do. Topstraight, you seem like a reasonable guy and I appreciate your feedback without the other nonsense. Regardless, the renewal of the rivalry on a even playing field (EKU in FBS) would be good for both schools.

I will say as a WKU fan those others putting EKU down were uninformed. I have seen the great improvements at EKU under former pres. Benson. Followed some of the construction on twitter-- as part of my "know what your neighbor is doing" activity regionally. There have also been improvements(or will be) at Murray and AP.

The campus has been modernized with dorms, dining hall, athletics improvements, landscaping-- it looks 1,000% better than it did a few years ago. Those guys just were not aware.

Still-- I think you will find most fans would not be for adding EKU to the same conference. I am not going to get into the "whys". The admin.? I have no idea.

For the near future -- I'm sure CUSA will look West for their next full-time add.

Other-- I am glad our game with you on Dec. 4th is at home this year-- you all look to have an excellent team. Come on down and buy lots of tickets! We need the money. Plus maybe it would change some minds on adding a close rival.
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Quote:I will say as a WKU fan those others putting EKU down were uninformed. I have seen the great improvements at EKU under former pres. Benson. Followed some of the construction on twitter-- as part of my "know what your neighbor is doing" activity regionally. There have also been improvements(or will be) at Murray and AP.

The campus has been modernized with dorms, dining hall, athletics improvements, landscaping-- it looks 1,000% better than it did a few years ago. Those guys just were not aware.

Still-- I think you will find most fans would not be for adding EKU to the same conference. I am not going to get into the "whys". The admin.? I have no idea.

For the near future -- I'm sure CUSA will look West for their next full-time add.

Yeah, I totally get the numbers game of East/West schools. Whether or not we get in depends on how big C-USA goes. Ten? We don't get in. Twelve? Maybe. Who knows.

There was a poster on the Maroon Nation board who had at least heard a rumor that there were C-USA officials on campus yesterday, but I have my doubts, and I certainly can't verify it.
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(11-12-2021 02:01 PM)eku05 Wrote:  
Quote:I will say as a WKU fan those others putting EKU down were uninformed. I have seen the great improvements at EKU under former pres. Benson. Followed some of the construction on twitter-- as part of my "know what your neighbor is doing" activity regionally. There have also been improvements(or will be) at Murray and AP.

The campus has been modernized with dorms, dining hall, athletics improvements, landscaping-- it looks 1,000% better than it did a few years ago. Those guys just were not aware.

Still-- I think you will find most fans would not be for adding EKU to the same conference. I am not going to get into the "whys". The admin.? I have no idea.

For the near future -- I'm sure CUSA will look West for their next full-time add.

Yeah, I totally get the numbers game of East/West schools. Whether or not we get in depends on how big C-USA goes. Ten? We don't get in. Twelve? Maybe. Who knows.

There was a poster on the Maroon Nation board who had at least heard a rumor that there were C-USA officials on campus yesterday, but I have my doubts, and I certainly can't verify it.
I agree 100% if CUSA adds a 10th school, it will be in the West.

If CUSA moves to 12, my two favorites would be UTC or EKU. Either one would be an excellent choice, with solid football and hoops. The problem is, there'd only be room for one (the 11th spot), since the 12th school would have to be a team in the West for balance.

If CUSA ever moves to 14, I'm pretty sure it'll be a few years down the road. The remaining school from UTC and EKU would certainly be a frontrunner, but KSU, UNA, and even NCAT could be FBS ready by that point as well.

It's the same problem JSU faced for years: more candidates than vacancies.

I think the only way multiple vacancies open in CUSA East would be for one of two things to happen:

1) WKU, MTSU, and/or others move on to one or more other conferences.

2) The WAC actually succeeds in starting an FBS conference and is able to convince UTEP, NMSU, Sam Houston, and other far-west CUSA schools to move over. CUSA backfills with FCS teams from the ASUN and SoCon, and rebrands as a southeastern-based conference.

The former is far more likely. The latter is possible. A combination of the two is probably what would need to happen to let every ASUN Football team with FBS interest into CUSA.
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I am starting to think CHATTY has no interest. Have seen and heard ZERO on that angle.
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(11-15-2021 04:17 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  I am starting to think CHATTY has no interest. Have seen and heard ZERO on that angle.

Definitely a possibility.
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