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RE: Week 6 #9/11 Villanova (3-1/1-0) @ #2/3 JMU (4-0/2-0)
(10-09-2021 04:24 PM)lessercc Wrote: (10-09-2021 04:21 PM)Madisonian Wrote: (10-09-2021 04:19 PM)lessercc Wrote: This is on Ratke. Dont dismiss 6 free points. It’s all part of the game, we e lauded him when he’s won games, he takes this loss for his inexcusable two chip shot misses.
Nah… this was a team loss that starts with coaching. Very disappointing
bull****. 27 and 36 yards??
Awful take if you did more than look at the stat sheet
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RE: Week 6 #9/11 Villanova (3-1/1-0) @ #2/3 JMU (4-0/2-0)
It doesn’t matter, if one of those 1st down throws hits you aren’t talking about it. No points either way on those plays. Ratke had two GIMME chances to win the game late and **** his pants. Its the equivalent of making a check down throw for 5 yards to your tailback.
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RE: Week 6 #9/11 Villanova (3-1/1-0) @ #2/3 JMU (4-0/2-0)
If Ratke hit his last kick, did anyone here have faith the defense actually would have stopped Villanova from getting into FG range?
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RE: Week 6 #9/11 Villanova (3-1/1-0) @ #2/3 JMU (4-0/2-0)
If you read my original post, I said you can’t put Ratke on a pedestal for being clutch and making fgs to win, and not hold him accountable for making 1 of 2 chip shots to win a game late. I ain’t talking about making one 51 yarder to win, I’m talking 1 out of 2 from 27 and 36 yards.
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RE: Week 6 #9/11 Villanova (3-1/1-0) @ #2/3 JMU (4-0/2-0)
(10-09-2021 04:33 PM)JMUDukes1750 Wrote: If Ratke hit his last kick, did anyone here have faith the defense actually would have stopped Villanova from getting into FG range?
Guess we will never know. Last week we got an INT. So?
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RE: Week 6 #9/11 Villanova (3-1/1-0) @ #2/3 JMU (4-0/2-0)
Ratke has been automatic at JMU, it's a shame the team couldn't pick him up when he finally has a bad day. Sure he gets some blame, but tons of blame to go around. Hopefully it's a wake up call.
I really don't feel great about Cig long term, I like him and want him to be the guy that's successful and stays at JMU forever... But it's just the same things over and over just like Mickey made the same mistakes over and over. Hope he makes me eat those words over time, but if he doesn't I hope either he bails for more money or JMU holds the standards as high as they should be for our football coach... Or of course hope we move up and his weaknesses get exposed more often if he doesn't improve on them.
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RE: Week 6 #9/11 Villanova (3-1/1-0) @ #2/3 JMU (4-0/2-0)
(10-09-2021 04:33 PM)lessercc Wrote: If you read my original post, I said you can’t put Ratke on a pedestal for being clutch and making fgs to win, and not hold him accountable for making 1 of 2 chip shots to win a game late. I ain’t talking about making one 51 yarder to win, I’m talking 1 out of 2 from 27 and 36 yards.
And why were we in that situation in the first place? I'd actually like to hear your thoughts on that
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RE: Week 6 #9/11 Villanova (3-1/1-0) @ #2/3 JMU (4-0/2-0)
(10-09-2021 04:33 PM)JMUDukes1750 Wrote: If Ratke hit his last kick, did anyone here have faith the defense actually would have stopped Villanova from getting into FG range?
No, not really. Remember, if not for a pass that should NEVER have been thrown, UNH would have likely had a FG opportunity to win our last game. They were already on our 45 with 1st and 10 ( and almost 2 minutes left)
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RE: Week 6 #9/11 Villanova (3-1/1-0) @ #2/3 JMU (4-0/2-0)
(10-09-2021 04:37 PM)olddawg Wrote: (10-09-2021 04:33 PM)JMUDukes1750 Wrote: If Ratke hit his last kick, did anyone here have faith the defense actually would have stopped Villanova from getting into FG range?
No, not really. Remember, if not for a pass that should NEVER have been thrown, UNH would have likely had a FG opportunity to win our last game. They were already on our 45 with 1st and 10 ( and almost 2 minutes left)
Yeah I didn't have much faith last week and was very relieved to get the turnover instead of having to actually get the stops. I wasn't gonna feel great this week without a TD and two pointer. I hope McCormick and Hampton make a massive difference and are back very soon.
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RE: Week 6 #9/11 Villanova (3-1/1-0) @ #2/3 JMU (4-0/2-0)
I'm not going to blame ratke for this one... He's arguably the greatest kicker we've ever had at JMU. Kickers aren't like offensive or defensive players that are on the field 50+ plays a game to prove themselves over a long span. Two plays where he slightly miss-kicked free ball - two missed field goals, and it's not like they weren't close.
This one's on Cig. I said it back in the spring... I dont see Cig or Cole Johnson ever winning a Natty at JMU. This team doesn't have an "it" factor, like the smash-mouth '04 team, or the fire of the' 16 team.
(This post was last modified: 10-09-2021 04:45 PM by JMUPride.)
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RE: Week 6 #9/11 Villanova (3-1/1-0) @ #2/3 JMU (4-0/2-0)
(10-09-2021 04:37 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote: (10-09-2021 04:33 PM)lessercc Wrote: If you read my original post, I said you can’t put Ratke on a pedestal for being clutch and making fgs to win, and not hold him accountable for making 1 of 2 chip shots to win a game late. I ain’t talking about making one 51 yarder to win, I’m talking 1 out of 2 from 27 and 36 yards.
And why were we in that situation in the first place? I'd actually like to hear your thoughts on that
If kickers are only available to make kicks when the game doesn’t matter, why carry one? Kickers have a job in tight games like anybody else. And it’s a big one we all know. You don’t win comfortably every week against good teams. But as a kicker, especially one heralded as a good one, it’s expected you don’t miss 2 borderline extra point length field goals late to shift the game in your favor. It wasn’t one 50 yarder. It was twice in absolute gimme range from 27 and 36.
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RE: Week 6 #9/11 Villanova (3-1/1-0) @ #2/3 JMU (4-0/2-0)
(10-09-2021 04:25 PM)lessercc Wrote: Maybe you coach to your all time fcs leading FG kicker making chip shots? If he can’t handle that maybe we hold tryouts. 1 is a fluke, but 2??!
Cut him!
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RE: Week 6 #9/11 Villanova (3-1/1-0) @ #2/3 JMU (4-0/2-0)
(10-09-2021 04:36 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote: Ratke has been automatic at JMU, it's a shame the team couldn't pick him up when he finally has a bad day. Sure he gets some blame, but tons of blame to go around. Hopefully it's a wake up call.
I really don't feel great about Cig long term, I like him and want him to be the guy that's successful and stays at JMU forever... But it's just the same things over and over just like Mickey made the same mistakes over and over. Hope he makes me eat those words over time, but if he doesn't I hope either he bails for more money or JMU holds the standards as high as they should be for our football coach... Or of course hope we move up and his weaknesses get exposed more often if he doesn't improve on them.
Cig does not adjust well. He doesn't manage the clock well. He recruits very well.
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RE: Week 6 #9/11 Villanova (3-1/1-0) @ #2/3 JMU (4-0/2-0)
How could anyone watch that game and not blame Radke. He did not do his job- bottom line and no debating it. He was the reason JMU lost the game. If he did his job we would have won. 33-28.
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RE: Week 6 #9/11 Villanova (3-1/1-0) @ #2/3 JMU (4-0/2-0)
(10-09-2021 04:45 PM)Purple Wrote: (10-09-2021 04:36 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote: Ratke has been automatic at JMU, it's a shame the team couldn't pick him up when he finally has a bad day. Sure he gets some blame, but tons of blame to go around. Hopefully it's a wake up call.
I really don't feel great about Cig long term, I like him and want him to be the guy that's successful and stays at JMU forever... But it's just the same things over and over just like Mickey made the same mistakes over and over. Hope he makes me eat those words over time, but if he doesn't I hope either he bails for more money or JMU holds the standards as high as they should be for our football coach... Or of course hope we move up and his weaknesses get exposed more often if he doesn't improve on them.
Cig does not adjust well. He doesn't manage the clock well. He recruits very well.
I do agree with all of the above.
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RE: Week 6 #9/11 Villanova (3-1/1-0) @ #2/3 JMU (4-0/2-0)
Bottom line: We are not nearly as good as we thought we were.
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RE: Week 6 #9/11 Villanova (3-1/1-0) @ #2/3 JMU (4-0/2-0)
(10-09-2021 04:41 PM)lessercc Wrote: (10-09-2021 04:37 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote: (10-09-2021 04:33 PM)lessercc Wrote: If you read my original post, I said you can’t put Ratke on a pedestal for being clutch and making fgs to win, and not hold him accountable for making 1 of 2 chip shots to win a game late. I ain’t talking about making one 51 yarder to win, I’m talking 1 out of 2 from 27 and 36 yards.
And why were we in that situation in the first place? I'd actually like to hear your thoughts on that
If kickers are only available to make kicks when the game doesn’t matter, why carry one? Kickers have a job in tight games like anybody else. And it’s a big one we all know. You don’t win comfortably every week against good teams. But as a kicker, especially one heralded as a good one, it’s expected you don’t miss 2 borderline extra point length field goals late to shift the game in your favor. It wasn’t one 50 yarder. It was twice in absolute gimme range from 27 and 36.
That doesnt answer my question though. Why were we even in that position? I understand the kicker is there to save you in tight situations but last I checked the game was more than 2 offensive snaps. So according to you, the other 58 minutes of game didnt matter. The debacle before half didnt matter. The wide open 50+ yard run didnt matter. The constant penalties extending drives didnt matter. Throwing an incomplete pass on at least half of our 1 downs didnt matter. Constantly running up the middle when nothing was there didnt matter.
Laughable that you put the game on the kicker. If youre relying on your kicker to win/lose games than I'm sorry but youre not a good team
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RE: Week 6 #9/11 Villanova (3-1/1-0) @ #2/3 JMU (4-0/2-0)
(10-09-2021 04:46 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote: How could anyone watch that game and not blame Radke. He did not do his job- bottom line and no debating it. He was the reason JMU lost the game. If he did his job we would have won. 33-28.
So the other 22 players on offense and defense get a free pass?
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RE: Week 6 #9/11 Villanova (3-1/1-0) @ #2/3 JMU (4-0/2-0)
(10-09-2021 04:49 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote: (10-09-2021 04:41 PM)lessercc Wrote: (10-09-2021 04:37 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote: (10-09-2021 04:33 PM)lessercc Wrote: If you read my original post, I said you can’t put Ratke on a pedestal for being clutch and making fgs to win, and not hold him accountable for making 1 of 2 chip shots to win a game late. I ain’t talking about making one 51 yarder to win, I’m talking 1 out of 2 from 27 and 36 yards.
And why were we in that situation in the first place? I'd actually like to hear your thoughts on that
If kickers are only available to make kicks when the game doesn’t matter, why carry one? Kickers have a job in tight games like anybody else. And it’s a big one we all know. You don’t win comfortably every week against good teams. But as a kicker, especially one heralded as a good one, it’s expected you don’t miss 2 borderline extra point length field goals late to shift the game in your favor. It wasn’t one 50 yarder. It was twice in absolute gimme range from 27 and 36.
That doesnt answer my question though. Why were we even in that position? I understand the kicker is there to save you in tight situations but last I checked the game was more than 2 offensive snaps. So according to you, the other 58 minutes of game didnt matter. The debacle before half didnt matter. The wide open 50+ yard run didnt matter. The constant penalties extending drives didnt matter. Throwing an incomplete pass on at least half of our 1 downs didnt matter. Constantly running up the middle when nothing was there didnt matter.
Laughable that you put the game on the kicker. If youre relying on your kicker to win/lose games than I'm sorry but youre not a good team
Bro, did you see their kicker? 3-3 from 39,42, and 43. Do his 9 points not count since the only thing that matters in game position is non kicker stuff? We played a really good team, we made plays, they made plays. Our kicker did not do his job in gimme situations. Theirs was solid from non gimme.
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RE: Week 6 #9/11 Villanova (3-1/1-0) @ #2/3 JMU (4-0/2-0)
If this was a well played, well coached game where an equally strong opponent went toe to toe and then we came up short because of those field goals I'd agree it's on Ratke. But this wasn't that, this was a game full of players and coaches that absolutely should've been better. Ratke included of course, but if we're as good as we think we are and know we should be then this game doesn't come down to those field goals.
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