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RE: UTSA turn down AAC?
(10-06-2021 08:53 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 08:11 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 12:28 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  All of our alumni base are made up mostly of alumnus who think they their own school is not good enough, so they cheer and are fans for the UK's, UofL's, UNC, Dukes, LSU's of the world. It will never make sense to me, somewhere you spend 4 + years of your life, making friends and paying for colleges but its 100% fact. Just some schools have more first only/loyal fanbases than others...

I can relate. I mean, when kids in Alabama start first grade they get asked "Are you Alabama or Auburn?". Allegiances are declared early in life and clung to.

That's why UAB has the highest attendance in the conference, right?

UAB has definitely carved itself out as the second team for tons of Alabama and Auburn fans. Auburn especially. I was at Dick’s on Friday and multiple people wearing Alabama tshirts were buying UAB gear before the game. UAB being such a large employer and major medical center means there is a good chance you or a family member either works there, has doctors there, has had emergency care there, has a family member that’s a student, etc. and have seen how much the university does for the state/city. Hell, some of UAB athletics largest donors are Alabama and Auburn fans. The people that saved the program and facilitated the return literally said they don’t even care about football but want the city to prosper. If any other G5 complains about having trouble growing a fan base, then they aren’t trying hard enough.

If those fans were buying "more" UAB gear that's OK. But if they felt like they should be wearing a UAB shirt because the hospital, city, someone works for one of the companies that help built the stadium, gave them tickets...

it might be the only UAB game they ever go to. In that case probably not coming back. That was a very ugly game for UAB.

That's the thing about a game where so many tickets are gave away (friend of mine and everyone of his co-workers got free tickets from the city. This might be the only game this happened at but he said the city had 1000s of tickets for opening night of this city owned stadium) or dollar night or five dollar night. We all need those fans to come back and that goes for every school in this conference and the G5 in general. The problem is...

for most of them the next time they show up will be another game with discounted ticket prices. For the most part everyone of us has that core base, along with the students. Then the fan that comes on big games or when a "name" school is playing our team. That's the group we all need to pull from and get them into the core base...

discounted/freebie guy will most likely never do that
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RE: UTSA turn down AAC?
(10-04-2021 10:27 AM)UNT15 Wrote:  
(10-04-2021 10:15 AM)LRdawg Wrote:  
(10-04-2021 07:42 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Let the American dissolve! Seriously though, cannot see anyone taking UTSA with that middle school gym unless they have plans in place for a legit basketball arena....

Also their baseball stadium.
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UT-Austin keeps their thumb on their system schools. They definitely don't want UTSA or UTEP to get too big (same for Texas State, but that's because they're too close. State is a separate system, but their BOR is beholden to UT).

this is not remotely true at all

1. UTD qualified for NRUF funding 2 or 3 years ago the first school to do so since Texas Tech and UH about 9 years ago

UTA just qualified this year.......UTSA will qualify in 3 or 4 years max so the UT System has worked through their system members in a methodical way to get then qualified for that funding well ahead of north Texas state

2. The UT System has their administrative cost covered by PUF distributions.....the other UT System members that participate in the PUF (not all system members do) have their formula infrastructure funding also covered by the PUF instead of general state revenues

AFTER those expenses are covered UT Austin gets their additional "excellence funding"

recently the UT System worked it where a number of administrative staff at their system universities were pulled up to the "system level" while still remaining on their individual campuses and serving in their same position on those campuses

the result of this was the individual universities now had money freed up in their budgets that were paying those on campus administrators to instead fund other things (like additional classroom faculty) and the other result was the increased system budget came at the expense of "excellence funding" for UT Austin because those cost for those administrative staff are now on the system budget covered by PUF funding prior to Austin "excellence funding"

3. the UT System has a program in place where the Austin campus fundraising staff mentor the staff at other universities in the system to help leverage their knowledge from decades of successful fundraising......this has especially helped UTD

4. Austin scheduled UTEP and UTSA in the OOC for a number of years to keep that OOC cost for games within the system instead of out of state especially

5. because of the structure of the Texas State System their system does not have as much control of their individual universities as the other university systems in Texas......the members of the Texas State System lobby The Texas Legislature individually for their needs instead of the system doing it for them like all the other university systems in Texas

thus in spite of your comment about being "beholden" to the UT System being nonsense in general it would be that much more difficult for the Texas State System to control Texas State University because that university lobbies the legislature for their needs independently and not through the system

6. Texas State was not even classifies as an emerging research university by The State of Texas when the NRUF and TRIP programs started now not only are they classified as that they are pretty much ahead of north Texas state and UTEP in terms of qualifying for NRUF funding and should qualify about the same time as UTSA or a couple of years after.....and most likely before UTEP and north Texas state

7. Texas State has added a number of PhD programs and the entire Round Rock health campus starting in 2005......hardly something that would be "allowed" if they were being "held back" by The UT System

8. if anyone needs to worry about being "held back" it is the Denton branch campus of the north Texas state system that is being bled dry by idiot dallas proper politicians that use the bonding capacity of the north Texas state system to build failed dallas campuses and provisionally (and still struggling) law schools which waste valuable higher ed dollars on unneeded economic development projects (that fail) and that sucks up bond capacity from the main campus that is the main reason that capacity exist.....in addition to charging inflated system overhead to the Denton campus to keep clost lower to the other failed system members in dallas proper....you know like moving the system computing capacity and administration out of Denton and down to dallas and then jacking up the charged cost for that "service".......pretty much the opposite of what the UT System did as described above

or building more space at the failed dallas campus against the recommendation of the THECB and doing so with "system dollars"......of course The State of Texas only funds "systems" at a very limited level so there are not free "system dollars" those dollars were inflated system service cost to Denton and system bonding capacity backed by the Denton enrollment......they did the same for the law school as well.....which is why it took a long time to get business building and even longer for an arts building built in Denton and the SRB had a chain link fence around it for so long before it could be renovated......and the fashion program was moved into a TShack instead of a building when their old building was taken to be demoed for the student union expansion......down in dallas at that failed campus they have so much extra space they rent out most of it to DCCCD and still build new buildings.....in Denton they put off renovation of research space, new buildings for popular programs and drag in Tshacks for others

and they spend $15.5 million in student money on athletics per year BEYOND student approved fees......which is twice what and UTSA Texas State spend beyond student approved fees....and actually brag about it like that is impressive
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RE: UTSA turn down AAC?
(10-07-2021 07:09 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  
(10-04-2021 10:27 AM)UNT15 Wrote:  
(10-04-2021 10:15 AM)LRdawg Wrote:  
(10-04-2021 07:42 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Let the American dissolve! Seriously though, cannot see anyone taking UTSA with that middle school gym unless they have plans in place for a legit basketball arena....

Also their baseball stadium.
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UT-Austin keeps their thumb on their system schools. They definitely don't want UTSA or UTEP to get too big (same for Texas State, but that's because they're too close. State is a separate system, but their BOR is beholden to UT).

this is not remotely true at all

1. UTD qualified for NRUF funding 2 or 3 years ago the first school to do so since Texas Tech and UH about 9 years ago

UTA just qualified this year.......UTSA will qualify in 3 or 4 years max so the UT System has worked through their system members in a methodical way to get then qualified for that funding well ahead of north Texas state

2. The UT System has their administrative cost covered by PUF distributions.....the other UT System members that participate in the PUF (not all system members do) have their formula infrastructure funding also covered by the PUF instead of general state revenues

AFTER those expenses are covered UT Austin gets their additional "excellence funding"

recently the UT System worked it where a number of administrative staff at their system universities were pulled up to the "system level" while still remaining on their individual campuses and serving in their same position on those campuses

the result of this was the individual universities now had money freed up in their budgets that were paying those on campus administrators to instead fund other things (like additional classroom faculty) and the other result was the increased system budget came at the expense of "excellence funding" for UT Austin because those cost for those administrative staff are now on the system budget covered by PUF funding prior to Austin "excellence funding"

3. the UT System has a program in place where the Austin campus fundraising staff mentor the staff at other universities in the system to help leverage their knowledge from decades of successful fundraising......this has especially helped UTD

4. Austin scheduled UTEP and UTSA in the OOC for a number of years to keep that OOC cost for games within the system instead of out of state especially

5. because of the structure of the Texas State System their system does not have as much control of their individual universities as the other university systems in Texas......the members of the Texas State System lobby The Texas Legislature individually for their needs instead of the system doing it for them like all the other university systems in Texas

thus in spite of your comment about being "beholden" to the UT System being nonsense in general it would be that much more difficult for the Texas State System to control Texas State University because that university lobbies the legislature for their needs independently and not through the system

6. Texas State was not even classifies as an emerging research university by The State of Texas when the NRUF and TRIP programs started now not only are they classified as that they are pretty much ahead of north Texas state and UTEP in terms of qualifying for NRUF funding and should qualify about the same time as UTSA or a couple of years after.....and most likely before UTEP and north Texas state

7. Texas State has added a number of PhD programs and the entire Round Rock health campus starting in 2005......hardly something that would be "allowed" if they were being "held back" by The UT System

8. if anyone needs to worry about being "held back" it is the Denton branch campus of the north Texas state system that is being bled dry by idiot dallas proper politicians that use the bonding capacity of the north Texas state system to build failed dallas campuses and provisionally (and still struggling) law schools which waste valuable higher ed dollars on unneeded economic development projects (that fail) and that sucks up bond capacity from the main campus that is the main reason that capacity exist.....in addition to charging inflated system overhead to the Denton campus to keep clost lower to the other failed system members in dallas proper....you know like moving the system computing capacity and administration out of Denton and down to dallas and then jacking up the charged cost for that "service".......pretty much the opposite of what the UT System did as described above

or building more space at the failed dallas campus against the recommendation of the THECB and doing so with "system dollars"......of course The State of Texas only funds "systems" at a very limited level so there are not free "system dollars" those dollars were inflated system service cost to Denton and system bonding capacity backed by the Denton enrollment......they did the same for the law school as well.....which is why it took a long time to get business building and even longer for an arts building built in Denton and the SRB had a chain link fence around it for so long before it could be renovated......and the fashion program was moved into a TShack instead of a building when their old building was taken to be demoed for the student union expansion......down in dallas at that failed campus they have so much extra space they rent out most of it to DCCCD and still build new buildings.....in Denton they put off renovation of research space, new buildings for popular programs and drag in Tshacks for others

and they spend $15.5 million in student money on athletics per year BEYOND student approved fees......which is twice what and UTSA Texas State spend beyond student approved fees....and actually brag about it like that is impressive

True and UT and/or the system has never kept UTEP from changing or joining conferences. It has always been just another item on the boards agenda and basically rubber stamped. What's keeping UTEP from getting invited this time around are 2 things, location and mediocre athletics.
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(10-05-2021 01:44 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt adds Rice has folks who cut BIG checks.


just to be clear, we rice folks cut big checks but not B1G checks.
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RE: UTSA turn down AAC?
"UT-Austin keeps their thumb on their system schools."

Honestly, where do people dream-up this stuff?

Must be sorta like Cal-Berkeley keeps its thumb on UCLA, UC Irvine, etc.
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(10-09-2021 07:29 PM)UTArlingtonMaverick Wrote:  "UT-Austin keeps their thumb on their system schools."

Honestly, where do people dream-up this stuff?

Must be sorta like Cal-Berkeley keeps its thumb on UCLA, UC Irvine, etc.
I guess they assume all state systems are run like Alabama.
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RE: UTSA turn down AAC?
(10-07-2021 07:37 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  What's keeping UTEP from getting invited this time around are 2 things, location and mediocre athletics.

The Boise State experience says it is three things - location, location, location.
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RE: UTSA turn down AAC?
(10-10-2021 05:08 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(10-07-2021 07:37 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  What's keeping UTEP from getting invited this time around are 2 things, location and mediocre athletics.

The Boise State experience says it is three things - location, location, location.

If we had a consistent bowl contender and our basketball team was as good as it used to be I don't think MW would be considering UNT/RICE/UTSA over us.
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(10-10-2021 06:11 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  
(10-10-2021 05:08 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(10-07-2021 07:37 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  What's keeping UTEP from getting invited this time around are 2 things, location and mediocre athletics.

The Boise State experience says it is three things - location, location, location.

If we had a consistent bowl contender and our basketball team was as good as it used to be I don't think MW would be considering UNT/RICE/UTSA over us.

Well, you are looking good for a bowl this year. That has to help. I wish you good luck in all all your remaining games but one.

But look at the locations of the three schools you list. San Antonio, Houston, and 30 miles from either Dallas or Ft Worth. UTEP is 30 miles from Las Cruces and 109 miles from Van Horn.
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(10-10-2021 06:28 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(10-10-2021 06:11 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  
(10-10-2021 05:08 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(10-07-2021 07:37 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  What's keeping UTEP from getting invited this time around are 2 things, location and mediocre athletics.

The Boise State experience says it is three things - location, location, location.

If we had a consistent bowl contender and our basketball team was as good as it used to be I don't think MW would be considering UNT/RICE/UTSA over us.

Well, you are looking good for a bowl this year. That has to help. I wish you good luck in all all your remaining games but one.

But look at the locations of the three schools you list. San Antonio, Houston, and 30 miles from either Dallas or Ft Worth. UTEP is 30 miles from Las Cruces and 109 miles from Van Horn.

San Antonio and Houston will be around 800-900 miles away from the nearest conference mate in Albuquerque. While El Paso is only 260 miles.
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(10-10-2021 06:49 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  
(10-10-2021 06:28 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(10-10-2021 06:11 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  
(10-10-2021 05:08 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(10-07-2021 07:37 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  What's keeping UTEP from getting invited this time around are 2 things, location and mediocre athletics.

The Boise State experience says it is three things - location, location, location.

If we had a consistent bowl contender and our basketball team was as good as it used to be I don't think MW would be considering UNT/RICE/UTSA over us.

Well, you are looking good for a bowl this year. That has to help. I wish you good luck in all all your remaining games but one.

But look at the locations of the three schools you list. San Antonio, Houston, and 30 miles from either Dallas or Ft Worth. UTEP is 30 miles from Las Cruces and 109 miles from Van Horn.

San Antonio and Houston will be around 800-900 miles away from the nearest conference mate in Albuquerque. While El Paso is only 260 miles.

IF we go to the MW, true. But I was not referring to travel distance, but to the size of the population to draw from/play to, using a roughly 50 mile circumference.

My point was/is, your remote location hurts you a lot more than your athletic performance. Nothing you or Boise can do about that.
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(10-10-2021 06:55 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(10-10-2021 06:49 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  
(10-10-2021 06:28 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(10-10-2021 06:11 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  
(10-10-2021 05:08 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  The Boise State experience says it is three things - location, location, location.

If we had a consistent bowl contender and our basketball team was as good as it used to be I don't think MW would be considering UNT/RICE/UTSA over us.

Well, you are looking good for a bowl this year. That has to help. I wish you good luck in all all your remaining games but one.

But look at the locations of the three schools you list. San Antonio, Houston, and 30 miles from either Dallas or Ft Worth. UTEP is 30 miles from Las Cruces and 109 miles from Van Horn.

San Antonio and Houston will be around 800-900 miles away from the nearest conference mate in Albuquerque. While El Paso is only 260 miles.

IF we go to the MW, true. But I was not referring to travel distance, but to the size of the population to draw from/play to, using a roughly 50 mile circumference.

My point was/is, your remote location hurts you a lot more than your athletic performance. Nothing you or Boise can do about that.
Most teams in the MW have remote locations. Us along with NMSU are in the MW footprint. If they wanted to remain a geographical conference then we should be the top two choices. Our lack of success hurts us more than our location.
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RE: UTSA turn down AAC?
(10-10-2021 07:12 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  
(10-10-2021 06:55 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(10-10-2021 06:49 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  
(10-10-2021 06:28 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(10-10-2021 06:11 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  If we had a consistent bowl contender and our basketball team was as good as it used to be I don't think MW would be considering UNT/RICE/UTSA over us.

Well, you are looking good for a bowl this year. That has to help. I wish you good luck in all all your remaining games but one.

But look at the locations of the three schools you list. San Antonio, Houston, and 30 miles from either Dallas or Ft Worth. UTEP is 30 miles from Las Cruces and 109 miles from Van Horn.

San Antonio and Houston will be around 800-900 miles away from the nearest conference mate in Albuquerque. While El Paso is only 260 miles.

IF we go to the MW, true. But I was not referring to travel distance, but to the size of the population to draw from/play to, using a roughly 50 mile circumference.

My point was/is, your remote location hurts you a lot more than your athletic performance. Nothing you or Boise can do about that.
Most teams in the MW have remote locations. Us along with NMSU are in the MW footprint. If they wanted to remain a geographical conference then we should be the top two choices. Our lack of success hurts us more than our location.

Agreed. I can't imagine the Mountain West ever turning down UTEP or New Mexico State if those two schools were more consistently good to increase marketability. And you're correct on remoteness. It's not unheard of for a MWC school to have to travel 500+ miles to get to their nearest conference mate. The states are bigger out west and spaces are much wider than in the east. I laugh whenever someone in CUSA or the Sun Belt complains about having to drive over 4 hours for a conference game. That's practically the norm for the Mountain West and the Pac-12 for that matter.
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RE: UTSA turn down AAC?
MinerInWisconsin said on our board he saw a tweet from a UTSA insider that UTSA will join MW. I can't find the tweet maybe it was deleted maybe it was bogus.

If true what does that say about the AAC?
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RE: UTSA turn down AAC?
(10-12-2021 09:27 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  MinerInWisconsin said on our board he saw a tweet from a UTSA insider that UTSA will join MW. I can't find the tweet maybe it was deleted maybe it was bogus.

If true what does that say about the AAC?

If I had to guess it's likely related to UTSA adding Air Force to future schedules, and I'm wondering if there was something more to that story on InsideRunnerSports.com, but the story is hidden behind a paywall.
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(10-12-2021 09:27 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  MinerInWisconsin said on our board he saw a tweet from a UTSA insider that UTSA will join MW. I can't find the tweet maybe it was deleted maybe it was bogus.

If true what does that say about the AAC?
It was a fake account

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