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RE: Is it true that the MWC
(10-01-2021 10:28 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 10:12 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  It makes no sense that any AAC school would leave for the MWC.

At the end of the day, schools in the MWC didn’t want to leave a league where they were geographic fits in order to potentially make more TV money in the AAC.

Therefore, it makes even less sense that AAC schools would go to an MWC with less money (or even in a best case scenario of slightly more if CBS is funding it) in a bad geographic fit.

Geography is generally overrated within the Eastern and Central Time Zones for realignment purposes - we tend to overstate the “distance” between the Northeast, Midwest and Southeast when it’s really more cultural differences as opposed to geographic distances. However, I’ve found that a lot of people have been underrating it in the Mountain and Pacific Time Zones in thinking that a couple of Western schools would have happy to be on a geographic island for something less than P5 money. It’s simply not easy for just 1 or 2 Western schools to join an Eastern-based conference and, similarly, it’s not easy for just 1 or 2 Eastern school to join a Western-based league. That’s a natural barrier of protection for both the Pac-12 and MWC (but also makes expansion harder for them because they have fewer geographically-friendly options).

Funny, we don't feel geographically "fit" with other MWC teams. In fact, the MWC is the most geographically unfit conference in the US.

That makes no sense.

The West inherently has longer distances between schools and there is lower density where there are fewer FBS schools in that region overall. Where else would San Diego State fill more geographically fit outside of the Pac-12? You’re basically saying SDSU doesn’t fit anywhere. Except for independent New Mexico State, *every* other G5 school that isn’t in the MWC is at least 1000 miles from SDSU.

EDIT: Forgot about UTEP being less than 1000 miles to SDSU, although my guess is that C-USA isn’t what SDSU has in mind about being a fit in a conference.
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RE: Is it true that the MWC
(10-01-2021 10:24 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 10:11 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 10:01 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  History is nice. Again, the AAC lost its best three programs. To think that such a loss won't adversely affect you is laughable. And that goes to recruiting, hiring coaches and everything else associated with athletics. The Big12 will see the same when UT and OU leave.

that is bad logic..

again yes the aac is taking a drop in status... not one person denied that

my point is the at even without those 3 teams, the leftover aac still has a better averages the mwc in almost every notable categories

the average mwc recruiting ranking is like 85..

the average aac with the top 3 is like 70 . it dropping to 75 without those 3 teams doesnt make the 85 better than the 75

the average aac salary in 2.2mil...no aac currently pays less than 1.5mil.. the average without the top 3 is still 1.7-1.9mil

the MWC average salary is 1.1mil,, half the league is sub 1mil, no mwc is above 1.6mil..

if mwc and aac are both going after the same elite asisstant coach in the offseason to be its next HC.. who do you think is going to get them???

I'm sorry, but no. The AAC is now significantly worse than the MWC. That is why SDSU and BSU said no and when you went fo AFA an CSU they said no as well (apparently).

You just lost your three best programs. You are looking at history. Well, your future history doesn't include Houston, Cincy of or Central Florida. If you think you are going to keep you TV contract the same without those teams then you are naive. When the money coming in dries up, it trickles down.

the mwc commish, publicly said the aac will still be making more money... he said so while trashing the aac, so he had no reason to lie
and im not sure your point..

and your point actually hurts you not me... ..cincy beating smu gave smu a worse computer ranking, and hurt smu in reputation for recruiting... when smu and Memphis (or whoever) become the new aac top dogs, their recruiting will go up ..their average rankings will go up

if boise and sdsu left the mwc, there would be a new MWC top dog..the average rank of just "the rest of the mwc" would go up (even if the conference as a whole goes down) ..there has to be a conference winner..fresno or nevada would start winning ..
fresno and nevada wouldnt win to the level of boise and sdsu, but theyd be winning more than they are now without boise/sdsu regularly beating them.
their rankings would go up....

the leftover aac average rank will go up and is already higher than the mwc

and smu was paying 3mil for a coach in a bad c-usa why would losing anyone reduce how much they pay for a coach??
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Tulsa is the only AAC school that I know of that was mentioned for consideration to the MWC that was made public.
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RE: Is it true that the MWC
(10-01-2021 10:49 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 10:24 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 10:11 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 10:01 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  History is nice. Again, the AAC lost its best three programs. To think that such a loss won't adversely affect you is laughable. And that goes to recruiting, hiring coaches and everything else associated with athletics. The Big12 will see the same when UT and OU leave.

that is bad logic..

again yes the aac is taking a drop in status... not one person denied that

my point is the at even without those 3 teams, the leftover aac still has a better averages the mwc in almost every notable categories

the average mwc recruiting ranking is like 85..

the average aac with the top 3 is like 70 . it dropping to 75 without those 3 teams doesnt make the 85 better than the 75

the average aac salary in 2.2mil...no aac currently pays less than 1.5mil.. the average without the top 3 is still 1.7-1.9mil

the MWC average salary is 1.1mil,, half the league is sub 1mil, no mwc is above 1.6mil..

if mwc and aac are both going after the same elite asisstant coach in the offseason to be its next HC.. who do you think is going to get them???

I'm sorry, but no. The AAC is now significantly worse than the MWC. That is why SDSU and BSU said no and when you went fo AFA an CSU they said no as well (apparently).

You just lost your three best programs. You are looking at history. Well, your future history doesn't include Houston, Cincy of or Central Florida. If you think you are going to keep you TV contract the same without those teams then you are naive. When the money coming in dries up, it trickles down.

the mwc commish, publicly said the aac will still be making more money... he said so while trashing the aac, so he had no reason to lie
and im not sure your point..

and your point actually hurts you not me... ..cincy beating smu gave smu a worse computer ranking, and hurt smu in reputation for recruiting... when smu and Memphis (or whoever) become the new aac top dogs, their recruiting will go up ..their average rankings will go up

if boise and sdsu left the mwc, there would be a new MWC top dog..the average rank of just "the rest of the mwc" would go up (even if the conference as a whole goes down) ..there has to be a conference winner..fresno or nevada would start winning ..
fresno and nevada wouldnt win to the level of boise and sdsu, but theyd be winning more than they are now without boise/sdsu regularly beating them.
their rankings would go up....

the leftover aac average rank will go up and is already higher than the mwc

and smu was paying 3mil for a coach in a bad c-usa why would losing anyone reduce how much they pay for a coach??


Again, you are trying to compare your conference as it is now (with UH, UC and UCF) with what it will be next year, and the year after and the year after. Your conference takes a big dive next year and so will your TV contract (which ESPN can and will renegotiate). When you get less money, you are not free to pay as much money. Programs and people take pay cuts. Basic economics.

Yeah, if SDSU and/or BSU left the MWC there would be a new "top dog." Stop the presses! The thing, is neither have. Not yet. Could happen in the future however. Your conference? Yep. Big time losses of late. Sorry, I know it hurts. Not sure what you have left has that much value.
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(10-01-2021 11:34 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 10:49 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 10:24 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 10:11 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 10:01 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  History is nice. Again, the AAC lost its best three programs. To think that such a loss won't adversely affect you is laughable. And that goes to recruiting, hiring coaches and everything else associated with athletics. The Big12 will see the same when UT and OU leave.

that is bad logic..

again yes the aac is taking a drop in status... not one person denied that

my point is the at even without those 3 teams, the leftover aac still has a better averages the mwc in almost every notable categories

the average mwc recruiting ranking is like 85..

the average aac with the top 3 is like 70 . it dropping to 75 without those 3 teams doesnt make the 85 better than the 75

the average aac salary in 2.2mil...no aac currently pays less than 1.5mil.. the average without the top 3 is still 1.7-1.9mil

the MWC average salary is 1.1mil,, half the league is sub 1mil, no mwc is above 1.6mil..

if mwc and aac are both going after the same elite asisstant coach in the offseason to be its next HC.. who do you think is going to get them???

I'm sorry, but no. The AAC is now significantly worse than the MWC. That is why SDSU and BSU said no and when you went fo AFA an CSU they said no as well (apparently).

You just lost your three best programs. You are looking at history. Well, your future history doesn't include Houston, Cincy of or Central Florida. If you think you are going to keep you TV contract the same without those teams then you are naive. When the money coming in dries up, it trickles down.

the mwc commish, publicly said the aac will still be making more money... he said so while trashing the aac, so he had no reason to lie
and im not sure your point..

and your point actually hurts you not me... ..cincy beating smu gave smu a worse computer ranking, and hurt smu in reputation for recruiting... when smu and Memphis (or whoever) become the new aac top dogs, their recruiting will go up ..their average rankings will go up

if boise and sdsu left the mwc, there would be a new MWC top dog..the average rank of just "the rest of the mwc" would go up (even if the conference as a whole goes down) ..there has to be a conference winner..fresno or nevada would start winning ..
fresno and nevada wouldnt win to the level of boise and sdsu, but theyd be winning more than they are now without boise/sdsu regularly beating them.
their rankings would go up....

the leftover aac average rank will go up and is already higher than the mwc

and smu was paying 3mil for a coach in a bad c-usa why would losing anyone reduce how much they pay for a coach??


Again, you are trying to compare your conference as it is now (with UH, UC and UCF) with what it will be next year, and the year after and the year after. Your conference takes a big dive next year and so will your TV contract (which ESPN can and will renegotiate). When you get less money, you are not free to pay as much money. Programs and people take pay cuts. Basic economics.

Yeah, if SDSU and/or BSU left the MWC there would be a new "top dog." Stop the presses! The thing, is neither have. Not yet. Could happen in the future however. Your conference? Yep. Big time losses of late. Sorry, I know it hurts. Not sure what you have left has that much value.

basic economics... the average aac budget is 75mil...the vast majority of our money want coming from tv

also the mwc commish, literally said the leftover aac will still make more tv money than the mwc.. no one is talking about with houston, ucf and cincy...YOUR commish not ours, said we'd still be making more money than you

smu paid june jones a 2million contract on a the c-usa tv deal that was about 1 mil a year
let me add the context: smu in 2008 on a c-usa tv deal was paying more than every MWC team in 2021 on a recently signed MWC tv deal

based on what the MWC commish said, the aac is still making more than 4mil per..
based on your common sense math, smu could afford a 2mil a year coach in 2008 on a 1mil a year tvdeal...but wont be able to in a "atleast" 4mil a year aac ??

thats your economics?
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(10-01-2021 10:56 PM)All4One Wrote:  Tulsa is the only AAC school that I know of that was mentioned for consideration to the MWC that was made public.
SMU and Wichita were mentioned today by various reports with anonymous "sources"

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(10-01-2021 11:46 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 11:34 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 10:49 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 10:24 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 10:11 PM)pesik Wrote:  that is bad logic..

again yes the aac is taking a drop in status... not one person denied that

my point is the at even without those 3 teams, the leftover aac still has a better averages the mwc in almost every notable categories

the average mwc recruiting ranking is like 85..

the average aac with the top 3 is like 70 . it dropping to 75 without those 3 teams doesnt make the 85 better than the 75

the average aac salary in 2.2mil...no aac currently pays less than 1.5mil.. the average without the top 3 is still 1.7-1.9mil

the MWC average salary is 1.1mil,, half the league is sub 1mil, no mwc is above 1.6mil..

if mwc and aac are both going after the same elite asisstant coach in the offseason to be its next HC.. who do you think is going to get them???

I'm sorry, but no. The AAC is now significantly worse than the MWC. That is why SDSU and BSU said no and when you went fo AFA an CSU they said no as well (apparently).

You just lost your three best programs. You are looking at history. Well, your future history doesn't include Houston, Cincy of or Central Florida. If you think you are going to keep you TV contract the same without those teams then you are naive. When the money coming in dries up, it trickles down.

the mwc commish, publicly said the aac will still be making more money... he said so while trashing the aac, so he had no reason to lie
and im not sure your point..

and your point actually hurts you not me... ..cincy beating smu gave smu a worse computer ranking, and hurt smu in reputation for recruiting... when smu and Memphis (or whoever) become the new aac top dogs, their recruiting will go up ..their average rankings will go up

if boise and sdsu left the mwc, there would be a new MWC top dog..the average rank of just "the rest of the mwc" would go up (even if the conference as a whole goes down) ..there has to be a conference winner..fresno or nevada would start winning ..
fresno and nevada wouldnt win to the level of boise and sdsu, but theyd be winning more than they are now without boise/sdsu regularly beating them.
their rankings would go up....

the leftover aac average rank will go up and is already higher than the mwc

and smu was paying 3mil for a coach in a bad c-usa why would losing anyone reduce how much they pay for a coach??


Again, you are trying to compare your conference as it is now (with UH, UC and UCF) with what it will be next year, and the year after and the year after. Your conference takes a big dive next year and so will your TV contract (which ESPN can and will renegotiate). When you get less money, you are not free to pay as much money. Programs and people take pay cuts. Basic economics.

Yeah, if SDSU and/or BSU left the MWC there would be a new "top dog." Stop the presses! The thing, is neither have. Not yet. Could happen in the future however. Your conference? Yep. Big time losses of late. Sorry, I know it hurts. Not sure what you have left has that much value.

basic economics... the average aac budget is 75mil...the vast majority of our money want coming from tv

also the mwc commish, literally said the leftover aac will still make more tv money than the mwc.. no one is talking about with houston, ucf and cincy...YOUR commish not ours, said we'd still be making more money than you

smu paid june jones a 2million contract on a the c-usa tv deal that was about 1 mil a year
let me add the context: smu in 2008 on a c-usa tv deal was paying more than every MWC team in 2021 on a recently signed MWC tv deal

based on what the MWC commish said, the aac is still making more than 4mil per..
based on your common sense math, smu could afford a 2mil a year coach in 2008 on a 1mil a year tvdeal...but wont be able to in a "atleast" 4mil a year aac ??

thats your economics?

Can you please try to write like an adult. It is very hard for me to follow whatever point you are trying to make because you write so poorly.

June Jones? Is he still alive? Regardless, why is that relevant?

Again, you are living in the past. You haven't quite wrapped yourself around the fact that without UH, UC and UCF your conference just isn't very good. You need to realize that and the fact that Aresco tried to get any MWC team to come to stop the bleeding and looks to have been shut out.

I don't recall the AAC having an average revenue of $75M. I called up a few of your better schools and see about $60M. Tulsa is at $38M. Houston was at $67M, Cincy at $52M, and UCF at $58.5M. So, you are way off with your "guestimate." I use this for doing my research. https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/institution/search

SDSU is at $58M. We should see a rather large increase in that when we open our new stadium next season, at least another $14M or so.
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RE: Is it true that the MWC
(10-01-2021 11:51 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 10:56 PM)All4One Wrote:  Tulsa is the only AAC school that I know of that was mentioned for consideration to the MWC that was made public.
SMU and Wichita were mentioned today by various reports with anonymous "sources"

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Wichita is likely getting consideration because it's in a location the Mountain West wishes to expand their footprint. They bring a snice market and adding Wichita would even up basketball divisions (currently 11 basketball-playing schools in the MWC).

SMU and Tulsa are likely getting looks by the Mountain West because of their locations, their markets, and their endowments. SMU and Tulsa own two of the top four largest endowments in the AAC and the two largest endowments in the AAC West of the Ozarks--a place where the Mountain West appears to want to expand their footprint.

The Mountain West may gamble that Memphis will go to the Big XII, which would be a devastating blow to the AAC, and this could be the MWC looking to strike back at the AAC for the realignment drama over the last month or so involving Air Force and CSU-Fort Collins.
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