HF should have taken the easy 3 points. This is a very hard fought game and points are not a given tonight....go for the percentages instead of predictably using Willis on the last two qb option keepers to attempt to go ahead by 7 instead of 3 in the 4th quarter. And yes...everyone knows Willis won't pitch the ball either which makes it too obvious. Great watching Liberty fight and claw their way back but just dumb decision in the 4th quarter to not take points. Liberty deserves this loss.

Does it hurt guys? Is Falwell crying? :)

Syracuse? LOL.

(09-25-2021 02:37 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  Does it hurt guys? Is Falwell crying? :)

Syracuse? LOL.

Where is this coming Todd? Falwell is not president anymore so who cares. I was at the game in Waldo Stadium when Syracuse came to Kalamazoo in 2018. SU ran all over our Broncos and all Tim could do is smile. Answer your own opening question.

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(09-25-2021 02:37 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  Does it hurt guys? Is Falwell crying? :)

Syracuse? LOL.

Come on buddy, when was the last WM was good. You are 1-9 against P5 teams. I recall that the last time you played Syracuse you lost both times and it wasn't even close, like you lost by 40pts. Another thing, when was the last time a MAC team beat Liberty? Don't worry I'll wait. Wait I know, it was back in 2013. Yup it's been that long. Since then we are 4-0 against you MAC chumps. You better hope the MAC doesnt invite Liberty to join because you will never win a MAC Championship, EVER! Also feels like you have been waiting for us to lose, it was a long wait bud? Sorry about that.

P.S - Hope you win today.

I'd prefer 3 there as well, but I can understand arguments to go for it. It sucks that we have to have a 20pct field goal kicker that makes the problem even more complex.

I'm okay with going for 7 instead of 3. Our kicker is unpredictable; he missed a 36-yard attempt earlier and that should be automatic. That was more painful than the failed 4th and goal attempt. At that time, our defense was in the zone and our offense was finally starting to get it together. After giving the ball back, they punted pretty soon anyways which was the hoped for contingency plan. It's just awful timing that we fumbled immediately, putting them in field goal range with no time left so they could run the clock down most of the way.

Slow starts (21-7), poor special teams, and clock management are what I am blaming the loss on. We should have won but deserved to lose.

(09-26-2021 07:46 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I'm okay with going for 7 instead of 3. Our kicker is unpredictable; he missed a 36-yard attempt earlier and that should be automatic. That was more painful than the failed 4th and goal attempt. At that time, our defense was in the zone and our offense was finally starting to get it together. After giving the ball back, they punted pretty soon anyways which was the hoped for contingency plan. It's just awful timing that we fumbled immediately, putting them in field goal range with no time left so they could run the clock down most of the way.

Slow starts (21-7), poor special teams, and clock management are what I am blaming the loss on. We should have won but deserved to lose.

Liberty had to claw and fight just to get even at 21 to 21. Syracuse's defense was really really good, aggressive, penetrating and very swarming and containing toward Willis (and RBs in general). Willis was almost faced with 2 or 3 guys tackling him the whole time before he was able to get out in space. Also...the Liberty O-line was having major issues with the SU D-line and stunting linebackers and secondary, the whole game.

At the time...HF called two consecutive qb option runs (but again....everyone knew that Willis would not pitch) to the short side of the field from the 3. Very very predictable outcome (low percentage of success for this game) which is unusual for HF overall (in terms of thinking). The 3 points were needed and this was like an extra point attempt....Babir has had issues kicking but he made 3 consecutive extra points in the game. This was a no brainer to finally take the lead on a short field goal (length of an extra point). This was a 99% chance of success rate if kicking it from that distance. Get the 3 points first...And then you can let your defense get the ball back or at least hopefully stop the other sides' offense. What happened later with Willis fumbling was just bad luck, etc but that's a whole another story.

It really does show how much LU has improved. Our fan base is upset with losing to a 3-1 ACC team.

I'll feel better about the SU 3-1 status if it goes to 4-1, and they don't drop their next game against 0-4 FSU.

You win some and you lose some...that's why you play the game.

So glad I couldn't watch the game tonight. Injuries are taking a toll as well as TOs.

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(10-16-2021 08:21 PM)WesternSkillet Wrote:  So glad I couldn't watch the game tonight. Injuries are taking a toll as well as TOs.

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30 point favorite???

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Today was a very, very, ugly game for Liberty. They laid an egg overall...it happens but it still happened and against ULM no less. There is still plenty of season to play though. I hope they figure it out.

(10-16-2021 09:24 PM)SlickRick12 Wrote:  

(10-16-2021 08:21 PM)WesternSkillet Wrote:  So glad I couldn't watch the game tonight. Injuries are taking a toll as well as TOs.

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30 point favorite???

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Anyone who has been around college football knows a few TOs can give underdogs a win.
Injuries are indeed piling up especially at WR and DL. It's showing.
Troy is a better measuring stick for both teams. Not sure what the odds makers were thinking.

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Worst loss in our FBS history. Our first season where we lost to UMass and New Mexico State are close but we are too good to be doing this. Willis is playing hero ball and it's costing us games and costing him a first round draft pick. I am fine (but still upset) losing to Syracuse but losing to a school that should be FCS is unacceptable.

Yea, ULM is a bit of a mystery. They barely beat an FCS team and were absolutely crushed by two SBC teams. But on the other hand, they beat a Troy team we struggled the most against by a larger margin. Not sure why these things happen, but there was a palpable mental blip/slump that came over Willis in the second quarter of the MT game. It hasn't lifted. Sports are a strange thing.

I also think we have to allow for the fact that other teams can hire good coaches and improve, just like we did. It's unfortunate they had to turn the page on us. And, it's evident we have major flaws, like with our online, which breeds some inconsistency and makes our off nights that much worse. I think Malik masked how "average" they were last year, especially since teams didn't know how to play us like they do now.

Is the head coach Freeze or Gill?

D looks like garbage.
Oline with loads of experience, horrible.
No passion.


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5 sacks allowed midway through the second Q to a one win team.



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The injuries keep piling up. This season is nearly over.
Maybe a win vs UMass going 6-6. Outside chance of a bowl.

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The amount of sacks is unbelievably bad. Cleaning that up will fix a lot of our issues. Offensive line is the most unit reliant on consistency, meaning they need the same starting five to practice and play together at all times and if someone gets replaced, the whole line needs to adjust to the different play of the new person.

Freeze has historically shown talent in recruiting, particularly offensive skill positions. He needs to get the linemen to make those skill positions most effective.