How do you view the individual Division I HBCUs? Which are the name brands in your mind? Which are best suited to remain in Division I?

My List (groups ordered from safest to least):

Level I
Florida A&M
Hampton
Howard
Jackson St (in my top group before Coach Deion Sanders joined)
North Carolina A&T
Tennessee St

Level II
Alcorn St
Bethune-Cookman
Grambling St
North Carolina Central
Southern
Texas Southern

Level III
Alabama A&M
Alabama St
Arkansas - Pine Bluff
Coppin St
Delaware St
Maryland - Eastern Shore
Mississippi Valley St
Morgan St
Prairie View A&M
South Carolina St

Please let me know where I'm wrong!

(09-22-2021 09:57 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  How do you view the individual Division I HBCUs? Which are the name brands in your mind? Which are best suited to remain in Division I?

My List (groups ordered from safest to least):

Level I
Florida A&M
Hampton
Howard
Jackson St (in my top group before Coach Deion Sanders joined)
North Carolina A&T
Tennessee St

Level II
Alcorn St
Bethune-Cookman
Grambling St
North Carolina Central
Southern
Texas Southern

Level III
Alabama A&M
Alabama St
Arkansas - Pine Bluff
Coppin St
Delaware St
Maryland - Eastern Shore
Mississippi Valley St
Morgan St
Prairie View A&M
South Carolina St

Please let me know where I'm wrong!

Norfolk St?

How about just survival as institutions?

A lot of HBCU's are about the same level of academics as the OVC and Horizon League schools that are struggling to adapt as the world of higher education changes.

(09-22-2021 09:57 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  How do you view the individual Division I HBCUs? Which are the name brands in your mind? Which are best suited to remain in Division I?

My List (groups ordered from safest to least):

Level I
Florida A&M
Hampton
Howard
Jackson St (in my top group before Coach Deion Sanders joined)
North Carolina A&T
Tennessee St

Level II
Alcorn St
Bethune-Cookman
Grambling St
North Carolina Central
Southern
Texas Southern

Level III
Alabama A&M
Alabama St
Arkansas - Pine Bluff
Coppin St
Delaware St
Maryland - Eastern Shore
Mississippi Valley St
Morgan St
Prairie View A&M
South Carolina St

Please let me know where I'm wrong!

With their new stadium, I would move Alabama St. up to Level I. I would also add Norfolk St. to Level II and move Texas Southern and NCCU to Level I.



Edit: after doing some more research Prarie View should also be in Level I as well.



Overall, as long as the MEAC and SWAC continue to exist, I'm not sure there is really any pressure for for even the financially weakest members of those conferences to go down a level.

This list is based on what criteria exactly?

(09-22-2021 10:06 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 09:57 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  How do you view the individual Division I HBCUs? Which are the name brands in your mind? Which are best suited to remain in Division I?

My List (groups ordered from safest to least):

Level I
Florida A&M
Hampton
Howard
Jackson St (in my top group before Coach Deion Sanders joined)
North Carolina A&T
Tennessee St

Level II
Alcorn St
Bethune-Cookman
Grambling St
North Carolina Central
Southern
Texas Southern

Level III
Alabama A&M
Alabama St
Arkansas - Pine Bluff
Coppin St
Delaware St
Maryland - Eastern Shore
Mississippi Valley St
Morgan St
Prairie View A&M
South Carolina St

Please let me know where I'm wrong!

Norfolk St?

Level II

You should put NC Central on tier 1 as the UNC System will keep them well suited for D1 and higher learning.

(09-22-2021 09:57 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  How do you view the individual Division I HBCUs? Which are the name brands in your mind? Which are best suited to remain in Division I?

My List (groups ordered from safest to least):

Level I
Florida A&M
Hampton
Howard
Jackson St (in my top group before Coach Deion Sanders joined)
North Carolina A&T
Tennessee St

Level II
Alcorn St
Bethune-Cookman
Grambling St
North Carolina Central
Southern
Texas Southern

Level III
Alabama A&M
Alabama St
Arkansas - Pine Bluff
Coppin St
Delaware St
Maryland - Eastern Shore
Mississippi Valley St
Morgan St
Prairie View A&M
South Carolina St

Please let me know where I'm wrong!

Level I - Mostly "old money" programs -- whether through tremendous fan support, tradition, or academic prestige (Real HU Rivalry).
Howard (prestige)
Hampton (prestige)
North Carolina A&T (support/recent dynasty)
FAMU (tradition/support)
Tennessee St (tradition)
Alabama St (support)
Jackson St (support)
Grambling (tradition)
Southern (tradition/support)

Level II - Solid brands with decent fan support or tradition.
Norfolk St
North Carolina Central
South Carolina St
Alabama A&M
Alcorn St
Texas Southern
Prairie View

Level III - Mid-range HBCUs in fan support/tradition.
Delaware St
Morgan St
Bethune-Cookman
UAPB

Level IV - Barely D1 viable.
Coppin St
UMES
MVSU

(09-22-2021 10:28 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  How about just survival as institutions?

That's the tricky part with Grambling. Brand/Tradition-wise, Grambling's Tier I. Institutional-survivability wise, Grambling's Tier III.

(09-22-2021 09:57 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  How do you view the individual Division I HBCUs? Which are the name brands in your mind? Which are best suited to remain in Division I?

My List (groups ordered from safest to least):

Level I
Florida A&M
Hampton
Howard
Jackson St (in my top group before Coach Deion Sanders joined)
North Carolina A&T
Tennessee St

Level II
Alcorn St
Bethune-Cookman
Grambling St
North Carolina Central
Southern
Texas Southern

(snip)

I'm not sure how Jackson State is above Grambling or Southern among SWAC schools, not in terms of name brand value.

I do concede that J-State is the better institution right now. But not as a brand name, IMO. Ditto for Tennessee State.

(09-22-2021 11:06 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 09:57 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  How do you view the individual Division I HBCUs? Which are the name brands in your mind? Which are best suited to remain in Division I?

My List (groups ordered from safest to least):

Level I
Florida A&M
Hampton
Howard
Jackson St (in my top group before Coach Deion Sanders joined)
North Carolina A&T
Tennessee St

Level II
Alcorn St
Bethune-Cookman
Grambling St
North Carolina Central
Southern
Texas Southern

(snip)

I'm not sure how Jackson State is above Grambling or Southern among SWAC schools.

All 3 are T1. Jackson St has unparalleled fan support, and Grambling/Southern are bluebloods (regardless of Grambling's finances).

(09-22-2021 11:10 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 11:06 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 09:57 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  How do you view the individual Division I HBCUs? Which are the name brands in your mind? Which are best suited to remain in Division I?

My List (groups ordered from safest to least):

Level I
Florida A&M
Hampton
Howard
Jackson St (in my top group before Coach Deion Sanders joined)
North Carolina A&T
Tennessee St

Level II
Alcorn St
Bethune-Cookman
Grambling St
North Carolina Central
Southern
Texas Southern

(snip)

I'm not sure how Jackson State is above Grambling or Southern among SWAC schools.

All 3 are T1. Jackson St has unparalleled fan support, and Grambling/Southern are bluebloods (regardless of Grambling's finances).

I agree with that, all three are HBCU T1 schools in brand name.

Good input so far - thanks y’all

Today vs. Tomorrow are different discussions altogether.

The political/financial situation in Louisiana in particular is going to force some mergers between state schools. It is inevitable unless the paradigm shifts in higher ed in next few years wind up benefiting some of the schools like MVSU and recently former DI school Savannah State.

Tennessee State should have a solid future.

Dr. Glenda Glover (highly respected) seems content to stay long term as president.

Eddie George is leading the football program.

Construction of a massive new residential hall will soon be completed.

Nashville location is very helpful — as is Oprah's support. https://fox17.com/news/local/tennessee-s...nfrey-gift

I've been a TSU football follower since the mid-1970s when "Big" John Merritt coached the program. Lots of history and tradition.

(09-22-2021 10:57 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 09:57 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  How do you view the individual Division I HBCUs? Which are the name brands in your mind? Which are best suited to remain in Division I?

My List (groups ordered from safest to least):

Level I
Florida A&M
Hampton
Howard
Jackson St (in my top group before Coach Deion Sanders joined)
North Carolina A&T
Tennessee St

Level II
Alcorn St
Bethune-Cookman
Grambling St
North Carolina Central
Southern
Texas Southern

Level III
Alabama A&M
Alabama St
Arkansas - Pine Bluff
Coppin St
Delaware St
Maryland - Eastern Shore
Mississippi Valley St
Morgan St
Prairie View A&M
South Carolina St

Please let me know where I'm wrong!

Level I - Mostly "old money" programs -- whether through tremendous fan support, tradition, or academic prestige (Real HU Rivalry).
Howard (prestige)
Hampton (prestige)
North Carolina A&T (support/recent dynasty)
FAMU (tradition/support)
Tennessee St (tradition)
Alabama St (support)
Jackson St (support)
Grambling (tradition)
Southern (tradition/support)

Level II - Solid brands with decent fan support or tradition.
Norfolk St
North Carolina Central
South Carolina St
Alabama A&M
Alcorn St
Texas Southern
Prairie View

Level III - Mid-range HBCUs in fan support/tradition.
Delaware St
Morgan St
Bethune-Cookman
UAPB

Level IV - Barely D1 viable.
Coppin St
UMES
MVSU

Disagree entirely!!!!!!!

This list, by 2019-20 endowment value ($ Millions):

Level I
Howard 712.4
Hampton 280.5

Level II
Alabama St 101.0
FAMU 95.6
Prairie View 84.3

Level III
North Carolina A&T 73.8
Tennessee St 63.0
Texas Southern 58.0
North Carolina Central 54.0

Level IV
Alabama A&M 48.0
Jackson St 46.7
Morgan St 40.5
UMES 29.7
Bethune-Cookman 28.9

Level V
Norfolk St 24.4
Delaware St 22.3
Alcorn St 20.2
Coppin St 11.9
South Carolina St 10.8
Southern 9.5
Grambling 8.5

Level In Big Trouble
UAPB 3.8
MVSU 2.7

(09-22-2021 02:03 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  This list, by 2019-20 endowment value ($ Millions):

Level I
Howard 712.4
Hampton 280.5

Level II
Alabama St 101.0
FAMU 95.6
Prairie View 84.3

Level III
North Carolina A&T 73.8
Tennessee St 63.0
Texas Southern 58.0
North Carolina Central 54.0

Level IV
Alabama A&M 48.0
Jackson St 46.7
Morgan St 40.5
UMES 29.7
Bethune-Cookman 28.9

Level V
Norfolk St 24.4
Delaware St 22.3
Alcorn St 20.2
Coppin St 11.9
South Carolina St 10.8
Southern 9.5
Grambling 8.5

Level In Big Trouble
UAPB 3.8
MVSU 2.7

Well done, DFW Hoya. I enjoyed perusing.

(09-22-2021 02:03 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  This list, by 2019-20 endowment value ($ Millions):

Level I
Howard 712.4
Hampton 280.5

Level II
Alabama St 101.0
FAMU 95.6
Prairie View 84.3

Level III
North Carolina A&T 73.8
Tennessee St 63.0
Texas Southern 58.0
North Carolina Central 54.0

Level IV
Alabama A&M 48.0
Jackson St 46.7
Morgan St 40.5
UMES 29.7
Bethune-Cookman 28.9

Level V
Norfolk St 24.4
Delaware St 22.3
Alcorn St 20.2
Coppin St 11.9
South Carolina St 10.8
Southern 9.5
Grambling 8.5

Level In Big Trouble
UAPB 3.8
MVSU 2.7

After the donation from Mackenzie Scott last year, PVAMU has announced their endowment to be pushed to near $130M
https://www.pvamu.edu/blog/a-gift-to-pva...niversity/

(09-22-2021 09:57 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  How do you view the individual Division I HBCUs? Which are the name brands in your mind? Which are best suited to remain in Division I?

My List (groups ordered from safest to least):

Level I
Florida A&M
Hampton
Howard
Jackson St (in my top group before Coach Deion Sanders joined)
North Carolina A&T
Tennessee St

Level II
Alcorn St
Bethune-Cookman
Grambling St
North Carolina Central
Southern
Texas Southern

Level III
Alabama A&M
Alabama St
Arkansas - Pine Bluff
Coppin St
Delaware St
Maryland - Eastern Shore
Mississippi Valley St
Morgan St
Prairie View A&M
South Carolina St

Please let me know where I'm wrong!

Swap PVAMU and TSU

Prairie View has a bright future, it's growing within the Texas A&M system.

Texas Southern has been on life support in the recent past, has been bowled over by controversies and is redundant and not part of a major university system. Their academics are worse than PV's.

Not at all biased if you can believe that.