(09-22-2021 06:03 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Why are people want to keep creating new conferences like the old Big East? Schools with football have different agendas than non-football schools. CAA and MVC is heading down the same path as the old Big East as we speak.

The old Big East did abhor subject verb agreement.

(09-22-2021 05:20 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  And the Big East basketball tournament was the most amazing college sporting event I’ve ever been to and I’ve been to plenty of big-time college football atmospheres over the years. MSG on a Saturday night was just a uniquely remarkable experience.

It still is. A slight downtick in 2014, but the last four tournaments through 2019 were sellouts Thursday through Saturday and it's great fun. And for me, the Friday doubleheader is even more fun than Saturday.

As for the ACC, it's a case of too many schools. Being 11th or 12th place is a dead end, even if you're 20-11.

(09-22-2021 05:20 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  The Big East was a miracle, never to be repeated. It was unique of its time and place. It certainly had its flaws but what Dave Gavitt did was amazing – probably the most impressive thing I’ve ever seen in college athletics. In 1985, when the Big East had three of the Final Four and nearly had all four of the FF, that was just a ludicrous achievement for a nine-team league.

And the Big East basketball tournament was the most amazing college sporting event I’ve ever been to and I’ve been to plenty of big-time college football atmospheres over the years. MSG on a Saturday night was just a uniquely remarkable experience.

My team (Pitt) is in the ACC now and it is genuinely shocking to everyone I know how much of a drop off the conference tournament experiences have been. Now, in fairness, Pitt has sucked while it’s been in the ACC. However, that doesn’t really matter. You’re talking about midtown Manhattan versus going to some waffle house in North Carolina. It’s just not even on the same planet.

I have never been to the Rose Bowl but listening to Big Ten fans talk about the magic of the Rose Bowl reminds me a lot of BE fans talking about MSG. They were just far away better than everything else in the sport and of course there was a lot of pride associated with that.

What made MSG so amazing is that most of the schools were within driving distance of New York City so you would end up with a cauldron of different fan bases and it was interesting watching alliances form and pure hatred. Everyone hated Connecticut fans. Literally, everyone rooted against UConn. Those fans were very obnoxious. However, those teams were always good and that made it fun.

This league would never work because it would be too cost prohibitive relative to the revenue generated.

Did elem to high schools in Big East states stop teaching during the Big East tournament and wheel TVs into classrooms for everybody to watch the games?

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Would this conference make enough money to justify losing regional interest/rivalries and pay for the travel? As a Siena fan, I like being considered, but I’m not sure if this bunch moves the needle for me. It does seem like the A-10 is staying pretty stable, so if anybody on the East wants to raise their profile, there probably does need to be something else done. It could be as simple as a batch of the Metro Atlantic schools ditching the programs that aren’t investing enough in their facilities (looking at St. Peter’s, Rider, and Niagara). That still leaves 8 decent programs that could link up with Northeastern, Hofstra and Drexel that don’t fit into the CAA these days. Would Robert Morris turn back East to be the 12th? There are better basketball programs further west and south (looking at Belmont in particular), but I think part of what sells Siena tickets is that people know fans from the other schools we play.

(09-23-2021 06:33 AM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  Would this conference make enough money to justify losing regional interest/rivalries and pay for the travel? As a Siena fan, I like being considered, but I’m not sure if this bunch moves the needle for me. It does seem like the A-10 is staying pretty stable, so if anybody on the East wants to raise their profile, there probably does need to be something else done. It could be as simple as a batch of the Metro Atlantic schools ditching the programs that aren’t investing enough in their facilities (looking at St. Peter’s, Rider, and Niagara). That still leaves 8 decent programs that could link up with Northeastern, Hofstra and Drexel that don’t fit into the CAA these days. Would Robert Morris turn back East to be the 12th? There are better basketball programs further west and south (looking at Belmont in particular), but I think part of what sells Siena tickets is that people know fans from the other schools we play.

My main hope as a Belmont fan is to see the university join the A10. But that is not realistic.

The MVC or SoCon would be fine (and either is preferable to the OVC). However, a "best of the rest" conference that could be a "poor's man A10" is intriguing. Keep the programs all east of the Mississippi River. Perhaps the league offers 14 members, with two seven-team divisions to aid with travel.

It's far-fetched and likely will never happen but it would be my ideal scenario for Belmont (notwithstanding an A10 invite). And I would be highly pleased to see BU aligned with Siena in a conference.

(09-23-2021 08:13 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 06:33 AM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  Would this conference make enough money to justify losing regional interest/rivalries and pay for the travel? As a Siena fan, I like being considered, but I’m not sure if this bunch moves the needle for me. It does seem like the A-10 is staying pretty stable, so if anybody on the East wants to raise their profile, there probably does need to be something else done. It could be as simple as a batch of the Metro Atlantic schools ditching the programs that aren’t investing enough in their facilities (looking at St. Peter’s, Rider, and Niagara). That still leaves 8 decent programs that could link up with Northeastern, Hofstra and Drexel that don’t fit into the CAA these days. Would Robert Morris turn back East to be the 12th? There are better basketball programs further west and south (looking at Belmont in particular), but I think part of what sells Siena tickets is that people know fans from the other schools we play.

My main hope as a Belmont fan is to see the university join the A10. But that is not realistic.

The MVC or SoCon would be fine (and either is preferable to the OVC). However, a "best of the rest" conference that could be a "poor's man A10" is intriguing. Keep the programs all east of the Mississippi River. Perhaps the league offers 14 members, with two seven-team divisions to aid with travel.

It's far-fetched and likely will never happen but it would be my ideal scenario for Belmont (notwithstanding an A10 invite). And I would be highly pleased to see BU aligned with Siena in a conference.

How about the "Midwest 10 Conference" or the "Midwestern Conference." If the new conference would be able to form and had the power to pry schools away from non-power conferences (considering the Big East as a power conference):

AAC - Wichita St
A-10 - Dayton, Saint Louis
HORIZON - Detroit
MVC - Bradley, Drake, Evansville, Loyola - Chicago
OVC - Belmont, Murray St

States covered: Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan, Missouri, Ohio, Tennessee
* Entirely contiguous

(09-23-2021 10:10 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 08:13 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 06:33 AM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  Would this conference make enough money to justify losing regional interest/rivalries and pay for the travel? As a Siena fan, I like being considered, but I’m not sure if this bunch moves the needle for me. It does seem like the A-10 is staying pretty stable, so if anybody on the East wants to raise their profile, there probably does need to be something else done. It could be as simple as a batch of the Metro Atlantic schools ditching the programs that aren’t investing enough in their facilities (looking at St. Peter’s, Rider, and Niagara). That still leaves 8 decent programs that could link up with Northeastern, Hofstra and Drexel that don’t fit into the CAA these days. Would Robert Morris turn back East to be the 12th? There are better basketball programs further west and south (looking at Belmont in particular), but I think part of what sells Siena tickets is that people know fans from the other schools we play.

My main hope as a Belmont fan is to see the university join the A10. But that is not realistic.

The MVC or SoCon would be fine (and either is preferable to the OVC). However, a "best of the rest" conference that could be a "poor's man A10" is intriguing. Keep the programs all east of the Mississippi River. Perhaps the league offers 14 members, with two seven-team divisions to aid with travel.

It's far-fetched and likely will never happen but it would be my ideal scenario for Belmont (notwithstanding an A10 invite). And I would be highly pleased to see BU aligned with Siena in a conference.

How about the "Midwest 10 Conference" or the "Midwestern Conference." If the new conference would be able to form and had the power to pry schools away from non-power conferences (considering the Big East as a power conference):

AAC - Wichita St
A-10 - Dayton, Saint Louis
HORIZON - Detroit
MVC - Bradley, Drake, Evansville, Loyola - Chicago
OVC - Belmont, Murray St

States covered: Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan, Missouri, Ohio, Tennessee
* Entirely contiguous

That would be a very strong conference that would make sense on various levels. Very well thought out.