(09-22-2021 03:48 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 03:09 PM)Claw Wrote:  I think a cruise ship with a football stadium on top would be a possible solution.

LOL. Most practical solution I've heard so far.

I'd be there! Hell, I might get season tickets!

(09-22-2021 03:09 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 02:52 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 01:43 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  The addition of a 13th game in exchange for playing at Hawaii is possible due to an NCAA rule. I'd think it would be far more preferable to change the rules to make the regular season 13 games long than to add Hawaii to one's conference merely to permit 4 or 5 members per season to have 13 games.

The point is to help Hawaii (or Alaska, if it ever gets a football team) by giving other schools an incentive to play there.

Conferences and schools are not altruistic, at least not when it comes to revenue sports.

I understand. That's why the rule is good. I thought at first you were arguing for letting all of Division I schedule 13 games, which would be counterproductive for Hawaii. In re-reading it, I guess you mean the entire Mountain West should be allowed to schedule 13 games.

The rule seems fine to me as is. Why should New Mexico or Wyoming get an extra game every year when they only have to fly out to Hawaii every four years, or however the Mountain West schedules it?

(09-22-2021 03:09 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 02:52 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 01:43 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  The addition of a 13th game in exchange for playing at Hawaii is possible due to an NCAA rule. I'd think it would be far more preferable to change the rules to make the regular season 13 games long than to add Hawaii to one's conference merely to permit 4 or 5 members per season to have 13 games.

The point is to help Hawaii (or Alaska, if it ever gets a football team) by giving other schools an incentive to play there.

Conferences and schools are not altruistic, at least not when it comes to revenue sports.

(09-22-2021 03:06 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 01:43 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  The addition of a 13th game in exchange for playing at Hawaii is possible due to an NCAA rule. I'd think it would be far more preferable to change the rules to make the regular season 13 games long than to add Hawaii to one's conference merely to permit 4 or 5 members per season to have 13 games.

But what if you could let everybody in your conference (and nobody in any other conference) have 13 games as I proposed (only somewhat facetiously)?

I imagine the other conferences wouldn't be in favor of that and would move quickly to change to rule and level the playing field.

Why should they care? Fact is, very few schools take advantage of this rule, even when they actually do play at Hawaii. Most opt for an extra bye week instead. That may be a function of the schools in the MWC not drawing large enough crowds to make an extra home game attractive for them. Basically, what I proposed is just extending the requirement for all teams in a division to play a full round robin in order to have a CCG. In this case Hawaii would be playing a full round robin in their entire conference as a way to deal with having more schools in one division than the other.

(09-22-2021 10:46 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 05:15 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 08:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 08:08 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  They fit the P6 type of school flagship strong academics.
They have a new stadium on the way and some historical success.
They already are football only in their football conference.
Seems like an easy add that hurts the MWC and might help get some others .

Ok, why not the other flagships like Wyoming, New Mexico, Nevada etc? I respect Hawaii a lot. I get your point. I’m just saying there are other flagships who’ve been playing sports at the top level for over a century. Heck, Wyoming and New Mexico formed the original WAC 60 years ago with Arizona, Arizona St, BYU and Utah along with the MWC back in 1998.

Hawaii is worth traveling to. Who's ever said "I'd love to go to Wyoming!"

Western Wyoming has some of the most beautiful landscapes and scenery in the entire country. You're missing out if you've never been to Yellowstone or the Grand Tetons.

Never been to Laramie, though....and both SLC and Boise are closer to Yellowstone and Jackson Hole than Laramie is.

Laramie is a pretty standard college town of about 32k; the presence of the university gives it a neat, active feel, and means there's a lot more food and shopping choices than a town that size might usually have. It's also close to Cheyenne, a slightly larger city which is also the state capitol. There's plenty of outdoor recreation, and the scenery around town is very pretty. The only thing is, the elevation means it gets cold.

If the guy from Hawaii is still here, has the state let the RFP for the Aloha stadium replacement yet?

I was thinking Hawaii and VCU four road games a year in Hawaii for the conference .

If say only two of the already mentioned MWC teams are interested .
Offer Hawaii for your along with UAB.

(09-22-2021 07:26 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  I was thinking Hawaii and VCU four road games a year in Hawaii for the conference .

If say only two of the already mentioned MWC teams are interested .
Offer Hawaii for your along with UAB.

CSU and Air Force are possibly interested .
Maybe its worth no travel subsidies to add Hawaii over marshal or Rice.

Because of time-zone and travel throwing them off.

And the AAC is not the ACC. Especially with UCF, Cinci, and Houston leaving. The MW is not in a weaker spot, comparatively. So it wouldn't make any sense, despite AAC, right now, getting more $$ flowing in due to those 3 teams having been (but leaving) the conference.

(09-22-2021 12:13 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I know that realistically nobody other than the MWC wants us, but just as an academic discussion, there's no way UH would join a conference other than the MWC or the Pac-12 unless it was for power conference money.

Do you see a scenario where Hawai'i could ever get that Pac-12 invitation? I remember reading a few years ago that the P12 wanted to boost interest in US college sports in the Asian market and Hawai'i would certainly seem to have potential if that's still a goal.

(09-23-2021 07:19 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 12:13 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I know that realistically nobody other than the MWC wants us, but just as an academic discussion, there's no way UH would join a conference other than the MWC or the Pac-12 unless it was for power conference money.

Do you see a scenario where Hawai'i could ever get that Pac-12 invitation? I remember reading a few years ago that the P12 wanted to boost interest in US college sports in the Asian market and Hawai'i would certainly seem to have potential if that's still a goal.

It’s unlikely but not out of the question. UH ticks the academic box (R1 doctoral research university, med school, law school, business school), and would offer a bridge to not only Asia but also Australia/New Zealand. A Saturday night football or basketball game in Honolulu could be broadcast live on Sunday late morning/afternoon in Sydney, Hong Kong and Tokyo.

But there are some big obstacles. We need to get our new stadium built. Also the Hawaii legislature would need to beef up the university’s endowment, which is ample by MWC standards but paltry by Pac-12 standards. We would need to win more consistently in football. And most importantly, the Pac-12 would have to lose a couple of schools and need replacements, as they seem very comfortable with their current membership.

(09-23-2021 07:42 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 07:19 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 12:13 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I know that realistically nobody other than the MWC wants us, but just as an academic discussion, there's no way UH would join a conference other than the MWC or the Pac-12 unless it was for power conference money.

Do you see a scenario where Hawai'i could ever get that Pac-12 invitation? I remember reading a few years ago that the P12 wanted to boost interest in US college sports in the Asian market and Hawai'i would certainly seem to have potential if that's still a goal.

It’s unlikely but not out of the question. UH ticks the academic box (R1 doctoral research university, med school, law school, business school), and would offer a bridge to not only Asia but also Australia/New Zealand. A Saturday night football or basketball game in Honolulu could be broadcast live on Sunday late morning/afternoon in Sydney, Hong Kong and Tokyo.

But there are some big obstacles. We need to get our new stadium built. Also the Hawaii legislature would need to beef up the university’s endowment, which is ample by MWC standards but paltry by Pac-12 standards. We would need to win more consistently in football. And most importantly, the Pac-12 would have to lose a couple of schools and need replacements, as they seem very comfortable with their current membership.

If we are using this logic, then Buffalo (immediately adjacent to the 10 million folks in the Golden Horseshoe and the Greater Toronto Area) without the travel issues would be a shoo-in. Imagine AAC games on TSN (partially owned by ESPN) being broadcast nationwide.

Maybe U of Hawaii can seize the Bishop endowment and join the big 10?