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RE: The new American Athletic Conference
(09-21-2021 11:26 AM)40smokingcannon Wrote:  Are you guys ready for this? Here you go.

Temple
Memphis
USF
E Carolina
App State
Southern Miss
Georgia St
Army/VCU

Navy/Wichita St
SMU
Tulsa
Colorado St
Air Force
UTSA
Tulane
UNLV

All good markets (even ECU is 102)
3 Academies
California, Texas, Florida recruiting
Inventory in all time zones
Definite Power conference

It’s been reported that San Diego State along with Boise are staying put so I would replace them with App State.

Never really been impressed with UAB... To me they’re a big risk... I would eliminate them from the list and ink Southern Miss in UAB’s spot instead.

I honestly believe if Southern Miss was in a better league they’re football program will revive instantly.
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(09-21-2021 11:34 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  
(09-21-2021 11:20 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  What about this? This is with the assumption that Boise stays put where they are because of the expected future Big12 invite. And I don’t feel confident about San Diego State coming, unless there are a number of other Mountain West schools brought into the mix.

So that leaves us with this. I think we will be at 12 football schools. Army and VCU are the big question marks. If we could get them both, I think we should try to go after two more solid basketball schools that carry baseball as well since we are losing so much with the departing schools.

Hesitant to grab two more football schools at this time, until we absolutely need to get them. Maybe two more later if we have more departures.

East
Army / VCU
ECU
Memphis
Temple
UAB
USF
Maybe Dayton here for basketball
West
Air Force
Colorado State
Navy / Wichita State
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa
And maybe Saint Louis here for basketball

That may be your best effort yet.

If Army's a no-go, substitute App. State or Coastal (whichever would do FB-only)

Otherwise, this might be close to what we can expect to see, though I would prefer Marshall, ULL, LTU, and Buffalo to UAB.

I like how you've penciled in Dayton and St. Louis (noting that one of those could equally go to a Loyola-Chicago).

If the AAC doesn't add enough good basketball schools, it will fall behind the "Major 7" BB conferences. . Crucially, being a "Major 7" (like the Big East) may be the only thing that keeps the American from being described as a "mid-major" conference.

Being referred to as a "mid-major" would be the kiss of death for the AAC.
Yeah basketball concerns me. We can’t focus too much on football. We are losing some good basketball programs. I was thinking Dayton and Saint Louis because of the association with VCU. Maybe they’ll come altogether. Hesitant on Loyola, because they have a new coach. Will they begin to fade again?
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RE: The new American Athletic Conference
East:
Army
Temple
Navy (I think they'll acquiesce to being in the east with Army and Air Force joining)
East Carolina
USF
UAB

West:
Memphis
Tulane
SMU
Tulsa
Colorado State
Air Force

It just seems like everything out there points to the above. The AF/CSU rumors, plus the military academy quotes (I remember seeing one from Ken Niumatalolo) about how nice it would be to be in a league together... just my gut feeling. As a long play, Aresco will hope the loss of Air Force and Colorado State will weaken the Mountain West to the point of collapse. At this point, Mike will try to move to 16 like such:

East:
Tulane
Memphis
UAB
USF
East Carolina
Navy
Army
Temple

West:
San Diego State
Fresno State
Boise State
UNLV
Colorado State
Air Force
SMU
Tulsa
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RE: The new American Athletic Conference
(09-21-2021 11:51 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  
(09-21-2021 11:34 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  
(09-21-2021 11:20 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  What about this? This is with the assumption that Boise stays put where they are because of the expected future Big12 invite. And I don’t feel confident about San Diego State coming, unless there are a number of other Mountain West schools brought into the mix.

So that leaves us with this. I think we will be at 12 football schools. Army and VCU are the big question marks. If we could get them both, I think we should try to go after two more solid basketball schools that carry baseball as well since we are losing so much with the departing schools.

Hesitant to grab two more football schools at this time, until we absolutely need to get them. Maybe two more later if we have more departures.

East
Army / VCU
ECU
Memphis
Temple
UAB
USF
Maybe Dayton here for basketball
West
Air Force
Colorado State
Navy / Wichita State
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa
And maybe Saint Louis here for basketball

That may be your best effort yet.

If Army's a no-go, substitute App. State or Coastal (whichever would do FB-only)

Otherwise, this might be close to what we can expect to see, though I would prefer Marshall, ULL, LTU, and Buffalo to UAB.

I like how you've penciled in Dayton and St. Louis (noting that one of those could equally go to a Loyola-Chicago).

If the AAC doesn't add enough good basketball schools, it will fall behind the "Major 7" BB conferences. . Crucially, being a "Major 7" (like the Big East) may be the only thing that keeps the American from being described as a "mid-major" conference.

Being referred to as a "mid-major" would be the kiss of death for the AAC.
Yeah basketball concerns me. We can’t focus too much on football. We are losing some good basketball programs. I was thinking Dayton and Saint Louis because of the association with VCU. Maybe they’ll come altogether. Hesitant on Loyola, because they have a new coach. Will they begin to fade again?

Dang! I didn't hear the news about Moser moving. You're right. Still, there are some good programs out there. Abilene Christian, Belmont, and Oral Roberts are 3 that spring to mind. VCU, Dayton, and St. Louis are the top 3. Others could include Davidson (but their great HC will retire soon) and Richmond (38-16 their past two seasons = 22 wins/yr).
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RE: The new American Athletic Conference
My take on most of the suggestions here.

MW gets a slight bump to $4M and BSU keeps the +$1.6-$1.8 they currently get

AAC drops to $4M and will never get raided again unless it's by SBC or MAC

UAB, Marshall, FAU, UTSA, App St/VCU... Won't save this conference, hope Aresco doesn't visit here for suggestions on who to add.
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Someone should explain to me, a non-AAC fan, why all the talk of the demise of this conference? "So and so won't save this conference", "AAC is dead", etc.

Really? There's some sort of existential threat to AAC if the MWC 4 do not join?
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(09-22-2021 06:44 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  Someone should explain to me, a non-AAC fan, why all the talk of the demise of this conference? "So and so won't save this conference", "AAC is dead", etc.

Really? There's some sort of existential threat to AAC if the MWC 4 do not join?

It won't die, it will just be worth less than what we got in 2013.

But, we have a great commissioner, so there is hope.
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RE: The new American Athletic Conference
(09-21-2021 03:40 PM)vick mike Wrote:  
(09-21-2021 02:07 PM)True Bearcat Wrote:  East

Temple
South Florida
East Carolina
Memphis
Marshall
UAB

West

Tulsa
SMU
Air Force
Navy
Colorado State
Tulane

or send Memphis west and add one of Army, FAU, Marshall, or ODU? Or grow to 14? by adding a combination of Air Force, CSU, UTSA, Rice, UAB, Army , Marshall, or ODU.
Fixed in bold.
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I think you are DEAD-ON in the west. Even after everything shakes down. Everyone else's projections still have BSU's and SDSU included. They are all wishful thinking. The other side is fine too. Marshall's as good as any team to pick up but, of course, Memphis, (and USF?) will probably not be there when all is over and done with. There....you will have to pick up another team. The pickings are slim.
Overall tho....I think you've got it!
And if the AAC goes to 14 teams...the pickings are even slimmer....cept Army of which there is no shot.
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(09-21-2021 12:37 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(09-21-2021 12:32 PM)emeraldcoastwave Wrote:  Atlantic:
Temple
USF
E Carolina
Tulane
App St
Army
Navy

Pacific
Memphis/Wichita St
SDSU
Colorado St
Air Force
SMU
BSU
Nevada/Fresno State

Why are Memphis/Wichita and Nevada/Fresno paired?

Wichita St has no football. Memphis is a potential lose if they get selected should the BIG 12 make future additions. Therefore, both Nevada and Fresno would need to be added. Before Memphis leaves, then only one of the 2 gets added (I don't which one).
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RE: The new American Athletic Conference
(09-21-2021 06:53 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  
(09-21-2021 03:40 PM)vick mike Wrote:  
(09-21-2021 02:07 PM)True Bearcat Wrote:  East

Temple
South Florida
East Carolina
Memphis
Marshall
UAB

West

Tulsa
SMU
Air Force
Navy
Colorado State
Tulane

or send Memphis west and add one of Army, FAU, Marshall, or ODU? Or grow to 14? by adding a combination of Air Force, CSU, UTSA, Rice, UAB, Army , Marshall, or ODU.
Fixed in bold.

Marshall and App State play this Thursday night in Boone. Should be a good one. Go AAC!!

If Marshall wins we get some transitive score property points, which is nice.
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(09-21-2021 11:48 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(09-21-2021 11:26 AM)40smokingcannon Wrote:  Are you guys ready for this? Here you go.

Temple
Memphis
USF
E Carolina
App State
Southern Miss
Georgia St
Army/VCU

Navy/Wichita St
SMU
Tulsa
Colorado St
Air Force
UTSA
Tulane
UNLV

All good markets (even ECU is 102)
3 Academies
California, Texas, Florida recruiting
Inventory in all time zones
Definite Power conference

It’s been reported that San Diego State along with Boise are staying put so I would replace them with App State.

Never really been impressed with UAB... To me they’re a big risk... I would eliminate them from the list and ink Southern Miss in UAB’s spot instead.

I honestly believe if Southern Miss was in a better league they’re football program will revive instantly.

Maybe. But there is no real evidence that suggests that. If they cant compete on their tiny budget against teams with similarly small budgets---there is little reason to think S Miss will do better competing against schools with even larger budgets. I'd suspect schools such as Latech, Marshall, AppSt, and UAB seem to have a better chance of being competitive since they are the ones having success against schools with similar budgets.

S Miss used to be the only school an athlete overlooked by the SEC powers could go to in that area where you could play on a winning team relatively close to home. Ole' Miss and Miss St were cellar dwellers. Now with the rise of the SEC---playing at Ole Miss or Miss State "just means more"---plus those schools have recently shown you can actually have some success there. LaTech used to play football in the Big West and WAC---those western conference games were somewhat unappealing to many recruits---but now LaTech plays all its games in the same footprint as S Miss. S Alabama wasnt even playing FBS football during the S Miss big time days---and ULL, Tulane, and UAB were places players went if they didnt mind losing games by the bushel. The fact is, players overlooked by SEC powers in the S Miss recruiting grounds now have numerous choices where they can go and expect to have a reasonable shot at playing on a winning football team. I have a feeling THATS why S Miss has languished for the last decade or so and will probably never be what it once was. Dont get me wrong---S Miss will have a few good years every now and then---but its budget limitations and increased outside competition for players has probably permanently changed its football recruiting dynamic.
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I have a ton of respect for Southern Miss and its football history, but even with AAC TV money, I would imagine their athletic budget would be dead last in the league by a wide margin. They either need to find a way to add $10 million to their athletic budget, or start winning 10+ games regularly to be considered for AAC membership.

Despite their own issues and the near death of their football program, UAB is a much more attractive option due to more money, better facilities, more recent football success, and better basketball. Birmingham is also an attractive TV market (similar in size to Tulsa, New Orleans, and Memphis) considering how football-crazed it is, and UAB's academics are very good. Louisiana is another program from that region of the country I would rate above Southern Miss.
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(09-21-2021 01:05 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(09-21-2021 12:50 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Yuck

What did you expect. We're adding AFA, CSU, UAB and someone else or someone else's. There are no great gets.

I am not saying yuck to them… several more on the list that I have zero desire to have in conference.
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If Aresco can succeed in bringing in the service academies (for the eyeballs) and raiding the MWC (for the football quality), the AAC shouldn't be any worse for the wear when things are all said and done. I know Boise State and San Diego State say they aren't interested now, but if Colorado State and Air Force make the jump, the MWC will be left with only 10 schools and no attractive replacement options (no offense to NMSU or any of the Texas C-USA and Sunbelt schools). If that alone isn't enough to convince Boise and SDSU, you work on UNLV and Fresno. Snag one or both, and SDSU/Boise will have no choice but to jump to the AAC unless the Big 12 comes calling first.
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(09-22-2021 04:32 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  I have a ton of respect for Southern Miss and its football history, but even with AAC TV money, I would imagine their athletic budget would be dead last in the league by a wide margin. They either need to find a way to add $10 million to their athletic budget, or start winning 10+ games regularly to be considered for AAC membership.

Despite their own issues and the near death of their football program, UAB is a much more attractive option due to more money, better facilities, more recent football success, and better basketball. Birmingham is also an attractive TV market (similar in size to Tulsa, New Orleans, and Memphis) considering how football-crazed it is, and UAB's academics are very good. Louisiana is another program from that region of the country I would rate above Southern Miss.
USMs budget is about half of the AAC average after UCF, UCF and UH leave. I don't understand how they even fund an FBS athletic department. I believe their budget is only higher than ULM and maybe LA Tech.

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(09-22-2021 05:31 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  If Aresco can succeed in bringing in the service academies (for the eyeballs) and raiding the MWC (for the football quality), the AAC shouldn't be any worse for the wear when things are all said and done. I know Boise State and San Diego State say they aren't interested now, but if Colorado State and Air Force make the jump, the MWC will be left with only 10 schools and no attractive replacement options (no offense to NMSU or any of the Texas C-USA and Sunbelt schools). If that alone isn't enough to convince Boise and SDSU, you work on UNLV and Fresno. Snag one or both, and SDSU/Boise will have no choice but to jump to the AAC unless the Big 12 comes calling first.

When did Boise & SDSU say they aren't interested?
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(09-22-2021 05:37 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(09-22-2021 05:31 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  If Aresco can succeed in bringing in the service academies (for the eyeballs) and raiding the MWC (for the football quality), the AAC shouldn't be any worse for the wear when things are all said and done. I know Boise State and San Diego State say they aren't interested now, but if Colorado State and Air Force make the jump, the MWC will be left with only 10 schools and no attractive replacement options (no offense to NMSU or any of the Texas C-USA and Sunbelt schools). If that alone isn't enough to convince Boise and SDSU, you work on UNLV and Fresno. Snag one or both, and SDSU/Boise will have no choice but to jump to the AAC unless the Big 12 comes calling first.

When did Boise & SDSU say they aren't interested?

The SDSU AD said last week that Olympic sports in the AAC were a non starter and there was no viable West coast options to place them..
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(09-22-2021 05:49 PM)Tmac13 Wrote:  
(09-22-2021 05:37 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(09-22-2021 05:31 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  If Aresco can succeed in bringing in the service academies (for the eyeballs) and raiding the MWC (for the football quality), the AAC shouldn't be any worse for the wear when things are all said and done. I know Boise State and San Diego State say they aren't interested now, but if Colorado State and Air Force make the jump, the MWC will be left with only 10 schools and no attractive replacement options (no offense to NMSU or any of the Texas C-USA and Sunbelt schools). If that alone isn't enough to convince Boise and SDSU, you work on UNLV and Fresno. Snag one or both, and SDSU/Boise will have no choice but to jump to the AAC unless the Big 12 comes calling first.

When did Boise & SDSU say they aren't interested?

The SDSU AD said last week that Olympic sports in the AAC were a non starter and there was no viable West coast options to place them..

With the NCAA basically being powerless now, it's time to rethink how college conferences work. I see no reason why a school shouldn't be able to have its football in one conference, men's basketball (or another revenue-generating sport like softball, baseball, or women's basketball depending on the school) in another conference, and non-revenue sports in a 3rd conference. Get rid of the NCAA's bogus rules (that a lot of schools are openly defying now anyway) and you can have the Mountain West schools join the AAC for football and men's basketball only, then form their own conference for non-revenue sports or join the Big Sky/Big West/whatever makes the most sense. It's absolutely stupid that non-revenue sports are traveling halfway across the country just because the school's football program is in a certain league.
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Atlanta ain't adopting Georgia State and San Antonio is a terrible town for college sports. Otherwise okay.
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(09-22-2021 05:49 PM)Tmac13 Wrote:  
(09-22-2021 05:37 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(09-22-2021 05:31 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  If Aresco can succeed in bringing in the service academies (for the eyeballs) and raiding the MWC (for the football quality), the AAC shouldn't be any worse for the wear when things are all said and done. I know Boise State and San Diego State say they aren't interested now, but if Colorado State and Air Force make the jump, the MWC will be left with only 10 schools and no attractive replacement options (no offense to NMSU or any of the Texas C-USA and Sunbelt schools). If that alone isn't enough to convince Boise and SDSU, you work on UNLV and Fresno. Snag one or both, and SDSU/Boise will have no choice but to jump to the AAC unless the Big 12 comes calling first.

When did Boise & SDSU say they aren't interested?

The SDSU AD said last week that Olympic sports in the AAC were a non starter and there was no viable West coast options to place them..

Actually he said anything less than a full invite was a non- starter because there wasn't a viable home for oly sports.
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