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(10-03-2021 05:01 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Which will be the ACC's top TV game on Sat. Oct. 16? Miami at North Carolina, Pittsburgh at Virginia Tech, or NC State at Boston College?

I'd say once VT upsets Notre Dame, the Hokies will be on ABC in prime time...
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(10-03-2021 10:31 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(10-03-2021 05:01 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Which will be the ACC's top TV game on Sat. Oct. 16? Miami at North Carolina, Pittsburgh at Virginia Tech, or NC State at Boston College?

I'd say once VT upsets Notre Dame, the Hokies will be on ABC in prime time...
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I'm not sure that would be an upset. Notre Dame has only played one true road game and they barely won over a 1-4 Florida State team that lost to an FCS team.
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(10-03-2021 05:01 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Which will be the ACC's top TV game on Sat. Oct. 16? Miami at North Carolina, Pittsburgh at Virginia Tech, or NC State at Boston College?

I'd say once VT upsets Notre Dame, the Hokies will be on ABC in prime time...
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I'm not sure that would be an upset. Notre Dame has only played one true road game and they barely won over a 1-4 Florida State team that lost to an FCS team.

Early spread has ND -1 @VT. So, yeah. It wouldn't be that big of an upset.
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Miami/North Carolina or Pitt/Virginia Tech will be on either ESPN, ESPN2, or ACCN. Game time will be 3:30pm. The ACC is once again fighting BYU (this time at Baylor) for the ESPN 3:30pm slot. Last time the ACC lost the ABC 3:30pm slot and had to settle for ESPN. NC State/Boston College is 7:30pm on ACCN. There is no noon ACCN game. Clemson/Syracuse is Friday on ESPN.
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All times are official, some networks are subject to change:

https://theacc.com/news/2021/10/11/acc-a...er-23.aspx

Clemson at Pittsburgh is either ABC or ESPN at 3:30pm. The other game is Oregon at UCLA.

NC State at Miami is either ESPN2 or ESPNU at 7:30pm. The other game is a Big 12 game and there are four possibilities.

So if the ACC wants the ABC slot, they want Clemson and/or Pittsburgh to win and/or Oregon and/or UCLA to lose. Does ESPN2 or ESPNU really make a difference?

ACCN triple header is UMass/Florida State, Boston College/Louisville, Georgia Tech/Virginia. Syracuse/Virginia Tech is the RSN loser. Doesn't seem right. You beat UConn and you avoid RSN? Who should be the RSN game this week?
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(10-11-2021 05:13 PM)schmolik Wrote:  All times are official, some networks are subject to change:

https://theacc.com/news/2021/10/11/acc-a...er-23.aspx

Clemson at Pittsburgh is either ABC or ESPN at 3:30pm. The other game is Oregon at UCLA.

NC State at Miami is either ESPN2 or ESPNU at 7:30pm. The other game is a Big 12 game and there are four possibilities.

So if the ACC wants the ABC slot, they want Clemson and/or Pittsburgh to win and/or Oregon and/or UCLA to lose. Does ESPN2 or ESPNU really make a difference?

ACCN triple header is UMass/Florida State, Boston College/Louisville, Georgia Tech/Virginia. Syracuse/Virginia Tech is the RSN loser. Doesn't seem right. You beat UConn and you avoid RSN? Who should be the RSN game this week?

In every place I've lived it makes a huge difference. ESPN2 is (generally) on basic cable, whereas ESPNU is on the extra sports tier.
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Oct. 23 game network updates, via ESPN website:

Clemson-Pittsburgh lost the battle for ABC, has to settle for ESPN. Did the ABC execs not see Pittsburgh take apart Virginia Tech yesterday? I think Pittsburgh has a case to be favored vs. Clemson and if they win it would eliminate Clemson from the Playoff. Do they really think the Pac-12 is going to get better ratings? Sure, just let Mississippi win the ratings battle and let the SEC brag that they're a school people actually watch. if ABC put a real game against Ole Miss, no one would watch them. More people would watch Lee Corso put on a mascot head than watch a Pac-12 game.

NC State-Miami won the battle for ESPN2 over ESPNU.

Oct. 30:

2 games on ACCN, 2 games on RSN's. North Carolina at Notre Dame reserved for NBC (7:30pm). Florida State/Clemson likely the showcase ACC game. I predicted noon on ESPN. Miami/Pittsburgh could wind up on ESPN2. Virginia plays at BYU. Would ESPN screw Virginia and give them the late night ESPN slot? Is that considered screwing UVa? Is 10:30pm ESPN or an afternoon slot on ESPN2 better?

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ACCN: Louisville/NC State 4pm, Georgia Tech/Virginia Tech 7:30pm
RSN's: Duke/Wake Forest noon, Boston College/Syracuse 3:30pm
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This has been a very bad year for the ACC in terms of ABC games. So far ABC has aired just 5 games. The last ACC games to air on the alphabet network were on Sept. 18. Of the five games that aired, 4 of them featured a non conference team. Matt Sarzyniak lists Georgia/Clemson and Alabama/Miami as ACC games but they are neutral site games so does the ACC get all of the money or does the SEC or do they split it? If the SEC got those games or even if it's a split, it's even less money for the ACC. And fewer ABC games hurts potential viewership. This week the Clemson/Pittsburgh game on ESPN has to go head to head with Oregon/UCLA on ABC. All things being equal, fans would more likely choose the ABC game over the ESPN game unless they like the team(s) in the ESPN game or don't like the team(s) in the ABC game. In addition, College Gameday is going to UCLA so they will have that going for them.

The ACC is in a bad situation because they only have one avenue for OTA games while the Big 10, Big 12, and Pac 12 have two (ABC and FOX). The SEC now only has CBS but has an exclusive window each week since Sept. 18 that every other conference envies (although the Big 10 has had double the OTA games of the SEC this season and the Big 12 has had a lot more as well although most of those games involved future SEC members Oklahoma and Texas). ABC has not been kind to the Pac 12 this year, they've only aired two P-12 games so far vs. five ACC games. The Big Ten and Big 12 have been the schools hogging most of ABC's slots (nine for the Big 10, eight for the Big 12).

The scary part comes when the SEC moves to ESPN and then ABC in the future. I believe they were promised the exclusive 3:30pm time slot just like they now have with CBS. So if that's true, the ACC (and my Big Ten) can kiss ABC 3:30pm games goodbye (so far this season that was two ACC games and two Big Ten games). And there's nothing stopping ABC from airing an SEC game in SNF every week. All those Saturday 7pm SEC on ESPN games (so far six of the nine Saturday 7pm ESPN games this year plus both the 6pm and 9pm games one week were from the SEC) become candidates for SNF. Or they can move say an Alabama/Florida to prime time (currently the CBS Game of the Week) and the ESPN Saturday prime time game to 3:30pm. Or they can move games set for ESPN at 7pm to noon on ABC. Why wouldn't ABC air two SEC games every Saturday? Forget the ACC, if I'm the Big Ten I'm scared about this. I mean, Mississippi could have more OTA games per season than Penn State. At least once Oklahoma and Texas join the SEC the Big 12 isn't going to get eight games on ABC in nine weeks. The Big Ten at least has an open contract and can hopefully negotiate to at least be able to secure a few ABC games or if ABC isn't willing to give them games, ask FOX and/or CBS for more games. The Pac 12 could as well assuming anyone watches their games. The ACC is stuck. The only way the ACC will get more ABC games is for fans to watch the games now on ESPN. The Big Ten board had a post about North Carolina and Duke playing a game on ESPN2 and they got somewhere around 300K. I know North Carolina and Duke aren't the ACC's football showcase teams but I've seen higher viewership for Big Ten games on BTN than that. If the ACC can't get on ABC, make the most of their appearances on ESPN and watch them like crazy. Watch this Saturday's Clemson/Pittsburgh game. Wouldn't it be an embarrassment to the Pac-12 if more people watch Clemson/Pittsburgh than Oregon/UCLA? I remember at least once a Big Ten game on FS1 beat the FOX network game. If this happens, next time ABC has to choose between the ACC and the Pac-12 for a time slot, they'll choose the ACC.

And it's not like the other games on the other networks are any good. FOX has Oklahoma State at Iowa State. CBS has LSU at Mississippi. I don't see an Alabama or an Ohio State on the other networks. The other conference are giving us their B teams, the ACC is giving us their A team. Why should more people want to watch the SEC and Big 12's B teams than the 2nd best college football team of the 2010's? They shouldn't. Clemson's the team people should want to watch, especially when they have a decent chance of losing and being eliminated from Playoff consideration. I'm not saying Clemson/Pittsburgh will be the most watched game Saturday at 3:30pm but there's no reason it can't be. It is rare but not impossible for ESPN games to beat games on ABC, CBS, and FOX. Considering these mediocre games on the networks, the ACC certainly has a shot to win the time slot but fans have to watch!
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(10-18-2021 05:45 PM)schmolik Wrote:  This has been a very bad year for the ACC in terms of ABC games. So far ABC has aired just 5 games. The last ACC games to air on the alphabet network were on Sept. 18. Of the five games that aired, 4 of them featured a non conference team. Matt Sarzyniak lists Georgia/Clemson and Alabama/Miami as ACC games but they are neutral site games so does the ACC get all of the money or does the SEC or do they split it? If the SEC got those games or even if it's a split, it's even less money for the ACC. And fewer ABC games hurts potential viewership. This week the Clemson/Pittsburgh game on ESPN has to go head to head with Oregon/UCLA on ABC. All things being equal, fans would more likely choose the ABC game over the ESPN game unless they like the team(s) in the ESPN game or don't like the team(s) in the ABC game. In addition, College Gameday is going to UCLA so they will have that going for them.

The ACC is in a bad situation because they only have one avenue for OTA games while the Big 10, Big 12, and Pac 12 have two (ABC and FOX). The SEC now only has CBS but has an exclusive window each week since Sept. 18 that every other conference envies (although the Big 10 has had double the OTA games of the SEC this season and the Big 12 has had a lot more as well although most of those games involved future SEC members Oklahoma and Texas). ABC has not been kind to the Pac 12 this year, they've only aired two P-12 games so far vs. five ACC games. The Big Ten and Big 12 have been the schools hogging most of ABC's slots (nine for the Big 10, eight for the Big 12).

The scary part comes when the SEC moves to ESPN and then ABC in the future. I believe they were promised the exclusive 3:30pm time slot just like they now have with CBS. So if that's true, the ACC (and my Big Ten) can kiss ABC 3:30pm games goodbye (so far this season that was two ACC games and two Big Ten games). And there's nothing stopping ABC from airing an SEC game in SNF every week. All those Saturday 7pm SEC on ESPN games (so far six of the nine Saturday 7pm ESPN games this year plus both the 6pm and 9pm games one week were from the SEC) become candidates for SNF. Or they can move say an Alabama/Florida to prime time (currently the CBS Game of the Week) and the ESPN Saturday prime time game to 3:30pm. Or they can move games set for ESPN at 7pm to noon on ABC. Why wouldn't ABC air two SEC games every Saturday? Forget the ACC, if I'm the Big Ten I'm scared about this. I mean, Mississippi could have more OTA games per season than Penn State. At least once Oklahoma and Texas join the SEC the Big 12 isn't going to get eight games on ABC in nine weeks. The Big Ten at least has an open contract and can hopefully negotiate to at least be able to secure a few ABC games or if ABC isn't willing to give them games, ask FOX and/or CBS for more games. The Pac 12 could as well assuming anyone watches their games. The ACC is stuck. The only way the ACC will get more ABC games is for fans to watch the games now on ESPN. The Big Ten board had a post about North Carolina and Duke playing a game on ESPN2 and they got somewhere around 300K. I know North Carolina and Duke aren't the ACC's football showcase teams but I've seen higher viewership for Big Ten games on BTN than that. If the ACC can't get on ABC, make the most of their appearances on ESPN and watch them like crazy. Watch this Saturday's Clemson/Pittsburgh game. Wouldn't it be an embarrassment to the Pac-12 if more people watch Clemson/Pittsburgh than Oregon/UCLA? I remember at least once a Big Ten game on FS1 beat the FOX network game. If this happens, next time ABC has to choose between the ACC and the Pac-12 for a time slot, they'll choose the ACC.

And it's not like the other games on the other networks are any good. FOX has Oklahoma State at Iowa State. CBS has LSU at Mississippi. I don't see an Alabama or an Ohio State on the other networks. The other conference are giving us their B teams, the ACC is giving us their A team. Why should more people want to watch the SEC and Big 12's B teams than the 2nd best college football team of the 2010's? They shouldn't. Clemson's the team people should want to watch, especially when they have a decent chance of losing and being eliminated from Playoff consideration. I'm not saying Clemson/Pittsburgh will be the most watched game Saturday at 3:30pm but there's no reason it can't be. It is rare but not impossible for ESPN games to beat games on ABC, CBS, and FOX. Considering these mediocre games on the networks, the ACC certainly has a shot to win the time slot but fans have to watch!

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In this past week's ratings, ESPN won the prime time slot and finished 2nd at noon behind FOX, beating CBS and ABC.

noon:
FOX: Oklahoma State at Texas, 3.129M
ESPN: Florida at LSU, 2.926M
CBS: Auburn at Arkansas, 2.404M
ABC: UCF at Cincinnati, 1.374M

Prime Time:
ESPN (7pm): Alabama at Mississippi State, 3.526M
ABC (7:30pm): TCU at Oklahoma, 3.434M
FOX (8:30pm): UCLA at Washington, 1.532M

Again, not impossible for ESPN to win a time slot and/or beat network games.
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Nov. 6:

Clemson at Louisville
Georgia Tech at Miami (FL)
NC State at Florida State
Pitt at Duke
Wake Forest at North Carolina

I have NC State at Florida State the showcase and picked them for the noon ABC game although not confident at all.

Can't really pick a dog for the RSN. Based on performance, Georgia Tech-Miami should be but would they really stick Miami on the RSN's? Pitt after their huge win? Clemson?
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(10-23-2021 06:40 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Nov. 6:

Clemson at Louisville
Georgia Tech at Miami (FL)
NC State at Florida State
Pitt at Duke
Wake Forest at North Carolina

I have NC State at Florida State the showcase and picked them for the noon ABC game although not confident at all.

Can't really pick a dog for the RSN. Based on performance, Georgia Tech-Miami should be but would they really stick Miami on the RSN's? Pitt after their huge win? Clemson?

Right conference, wrong game.

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Congrats ACC, finally back on ABC for the first time since Sept. 18!

If UNC does ruin Wake Forest's perfect season, it will screw the ACC in terms of Playoff chances. But at least this game will bring some viewers and some money to the conference as opposed to both teams playing cupcakes and having no one watch those games. And if Wake Forest wins, even more interest in Wake Forest which could lead to more ABC games. They play NC State and Clemson in the next two weeks which could both be ABC games (I have NC State-Wake Forest projected as a noon game on ABC).

Also next week is Notre Dame at Virginia. It's one of ABC's chances to feature Notre Dame and the ACCN didn't as of yet claim it. I'm thinking it will be the Saturday Night special.
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my own guesses for November 13:

ABC 330 or 730: ND @ Virginia
Espn 330 or 7: Wake Forest @ Nc State

ACCN Noon-Uconn @ Clemson
ACCN 4: Syracuse @ Louisville
ACCN 730:Miami @ Florida State

ACC RSN 12 : BC @ Georgia Tech
ACC RSN 330: Duke @ Virginia Tech

*IF ACC RSN is only a single header, then Miami @ Florida State moves to espn/abc /espn 2 during the afternoon, Syracuse @ Louisville moves to ACCN primetime 730 and Duke @ Virginia Tech moves to ACCN 4
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Nov. 13 Game Times/Networks:

https://virginiasports.com/news/2021/11/...t-730-p-m/

UVa gets SNF. WF gets dumped to ACCN.
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I don't know how this translates to ratings...

Only three ACC schools will appear on ABC twice this year, Clemson, Miami, and ... Georgia Tech???? When did Georgia Tech become one of the most popular ACC teams? Of course playing the #1 team in the country helps.

If you only count ESPN Saturday games, Florida State leads the pack with five games. Clemson had four. Combining ABC and ESPN Saturday games, Florida State had six while Clemson had only five. Technically FSU's ABC game was a Sunday game so both Florida State and Clemson had five Saturday ABC/ESPN games. But while Florida State might be so bad they lost to an FCS team this year they still are considered one of the ACC's most valuable TV properties, at least according to ESPN.

Meanwhile, Pittsburgh made zero appearances on ABC and only one Saturday appearance on ESPN. Their Virginia game yesterday probably was ESPN worthy but was the same week as Wake Forest-Clemson. Wake Forest got at least some love from the Mouse late (Clemson on ESPN and North Carolina on ABC).

Or how about Virginia Tech? Their only ESPN game all season was the season opener vs. North Carolina on a Friday night and they didn't get any ABC games. Of course their lack of ABC/ESPN Saturday games was probably more because of their play than their popularity. They also had to get stuck with the Notre Dame ACCN game while Virginia got their Notre Dame game on ABC SNF.
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