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RE: Dennis Dodd: Big12 targeting PAC teams
(09-17-2021 05:00 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  For this to happen, it will take more then USC going independent. We’ll need a BIG hostile talkie over of the Pac. If USC, UCLA, Stanford and Oregon leave, then we have a shot. Gotta think Colorado is the school here everyone in the XII wants. Just makes the league work better for travel/geography

If Colorado st football just had a pulse *sad sigh*

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I'm an old B12 fan as an ISU fan and while Colorado is ok, I would prefer ASU. Phoenix is bigger and the state of Arizona is producing more football recruits than Colorado.
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RE: Dennis Dodd: Big12 targeting PAC teams
(09-22-2021 01:42 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  
(09-17-2021 05:00 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  For this to happen, it will take more then USC going independent. We’ll need a BIG hostile talkie over of the Pac. If USC, UCLA, Stanford and Oregon leave, then we have a shot. Gotta think Colorado is the school here everyone in the XII wants. Just makes the league work better for travel/geography

If Colorado st football just had a pulse *sad sigh*

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I'm an old B12 fan as an ISU fan and while Colorado is ok, I would prefer ASU. Phoenix is bigger and the state of Arizona is producing more football recruits than Colorado.

The Phoenix metro has really become a great source of football talent, with the vast majority of that in the Phoenix area (minus Salpointe Catholic in Tucson that has a ton of talent).

This cycle, Arizona currently has 5 whereas Colorado has just 2.

Last cycle, Arizona had 7 4-star recruits whereas Colorado had just 2. Arizona ended with 41 3-star or higher recruits in the c/o 2021 while Colorado had 28.
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RE: Dennis Dodd: Big12 targeting PAC teams
(09-22-2021 02:26 PM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  
(09-22-2021 01:42 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  
(09-17-2021 05:00 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  For this to happen, it will take more then USC going independent. We’ll need a BIG hostile talkie over of the Pac. If USC, UCLA, Stanford and Oregon leave, then we have a shot. Gotta think Colorado is the school here everyone in the XII wants. Just makes the league work better for travel/geography

If Colorado st football just had a pulse *sad sigh*

Jackson

I'm an old B12 fan as an ISU fan and while Colorado is ok, I would prefer ASU. Phoenix is bigger and the state of Arizona is producing more football recruits than Colorado.

The Phoenix metro has really become a great source of football talent, with the vast majority of that in the Phoenix area (minus Salpointe Catholic in Tucson that has a ton of talent).

This cycle, Arizona currently has 5 whereas Colorado has just 2.

Last cycle, Arizona had 7 4-star recruits whereas Colorado had just 2. Arizona ended with 41 3-star or higher recruits in the c/o 2021 while Colorado had 28.
Yes, UCF actually has 2 quarterbacks from Arizona on the roster at the moment. One of them is now the starter since Gabriel is hurt.
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I don't think the B12 has any chance of getting a Pac school in the very near future. Only way it would happen is Big grabs a couple Pac 12 off the top, and I don't think that is very likely. If B10 is going to make $$ expanding it has to be south and East of current footprint.
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(09-23-2021 07:37 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I don't think the B12 has any chance of getting a Pac school in the very near future. Only way it would happen is Big grabs a couple Pac 12 off the top, and I don't think that is very likely. If B10 is going to make $$ expanding it has to be south and East of current footprint.

If the B1G can keep the expansion to USC and 3 other teams its still profitable.
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If the B1G stays true to only looking at Association of American Universities (AAU) schools, then the choices are: Oregon, USC, UCLA, Washington, Colorado, Arizona and Utah.
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(09-24-2021 08:17 PM)mac6115cd Wrote:  If the B1G stays true to only looking at Association of American Universities (AAU) schools, then the choices are: Oregon, USC, UCLA, Washington, Colorado, Arizona and Utah.

Also Cal and Stanford.
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At minimum I like to see two - three decades of stability.
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(09-25-2021 09:27 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  At minimum I like to see two - three decades of stability.

02-13-banana Would 2 or 3 months be enough?
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(09-25-2021 08:15 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  
(09-24-2021 08:17 PM)mac6115cd Wrote:  If the B1G stays true to only looking at Association of American Universities (AAU) schools, then the choices are: Oregon, USC, UCLA, Washington, Colorado, Arizona and Utah.

Also Cal and Stanford.

Washington, Cal, and UCLA are probably the best institutional fits for the Big 10 but USC and Oregon would bring the most $$$. Will be interesting to see if the Big 10 decides to go coast to coast, you open up a lot of timeslots for content.

The networks don't often have a chance currently to get teams like Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State in 10pm/9ct slots and they would get some of that with the Big 10 grabbing at least 2 teams out west.
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(09-25-2021 08:15 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  
(09-24-2021 08:17 PM)mac6115cd Wrote:  If the B1G stays true to only looking at Association of American Universities (AAU) schools, then the choices are: Oregon, USC, UCLA, Washington, Colorado, Arizona and Utah.

Also Cal and Stanford.

Thanks, I missed them.
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Still can't see any Pac school moving to B12. Unless the Big took a bunch off the top of Pac12.
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Pecking order:

Pac - 12 dines on the B-12 for dinner - not the other way around. 04-jawdrop 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 03-shhhh COGS COGS 05-stirthepot 03-idea 04-cheers
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The B1G would have to grab at least three of the PAC California schools and probably at least 5 or 6 PAC schools in total. Otherwise, the Big 12 would be at risk to lose schools to the PAC.
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Pretty sure the Ivan Maisel, Stanford Alum, hit piece was only written to tear down the new Big 12. He wants the narrative that the PAC is better than the new Big 12.

https://www.on3.com/news/big-12-conferen...standards/
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With Colorado State allegedly moving to the AAC, would this open the door to Colorado coming back to the Big 12. The move to the PAC has been a failure for them ...

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(09-28-2021 04:19 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  With Colorado State allegedly moving to the AAC, would this open the door to Colorado coming back to the Big 12. The move to the PAC has been a failure for them ...

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Completely unrelated.

MW team to AAC doesn't influence PAC team to Big12.

TV Money is the only thing that pushes teams toward realignment. Big12 tv deal needs to be better than PAC deal.
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Bringing Colada back the Big 12 should shore up the money. Plus that would give Colorado exposure in Texas for recruiting again. Without texas in the Big 12 this has to be tempting for them.

Was just thinking if Colorado St got an uptick in recruiting from Texas exposure would Colorado come back the the Big 12 for the same uptick ....

Probably thinking too much ...

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(09-28-2021 04:45 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  Bringing Colada back the Big 12 should shore up the money. Plus that would give Colorado exposure in Texas for recruiting again. Without texas in the Big 12 this has to be tempting for them.

Was just thinking if Colorado St got an uptick in recruiting from Texas exposure would Colorado come back the the Big 12 for the same uptick ....

Probably thinking too much ...

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I think recruiting is more like a cherry on top but not the real substance of making the realignment decision.

Half of Colorado's current class is from Texas (8 of 16). I'd say they are recruiting the state just fine. They could probably recruit better as a member of the Big12. Most kids have heard of Colorado, the name recognition is there. It's not like the AAC or CUSA days where a kid would have no idea that ECU or Temple existed if it wasn't for the conference membership.
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