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RE: Dennis Dodd - AAC pursuing Mountain West teams and UAB
(09-16-2021 02:21 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  
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(09-16-2021 01:42 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  
(09-16-2021 01:14 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  According to "multiple sources"

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...alignment/

As mentioned in the article it makes no sense for Boise or Memphis to make a move to another conference until the Big 12 expand further (or not) issue is resolved.

Not sure I agree. If the AC places little restriction on Boise related to a move to the B12 down the road (beyond their current MWC exit fees) why would they not move to increase annual TV revenue by at least $3.5M. And it could be more considering the MWC payout might be reduced substantially if SDSU, AF & CSU make the move. Adding Boise, SDSU, AF, CSU & UAB would not only secure the 6th conference status, it would mortally weaken the MWC & CUSA. And grabbing App St would do the same to the SBC, getting the AAC to 14 schools & setting up a western & eastern div.

Aresco is probably selling Boise on the fact that Cincy, UCF and Houston all used the American to reach the B12. There's no reason Boise couldn't go straight from the MWC to the B12, but I'm betting that's the pitch.

God I hope that's not the pitch. What the AAC needs to do is pay Boise's exit fee and waive the enterance fee. That negates the financial risk of moving to a new conference. If Boise moves maybe the others follow and that's $7000000 promise Aresco made might become an actuality.

It's an illogical pitch for sure, but listening to Aresco's comments about how we're a power conference because we're losing teams to the B12 makes me feel like that's his angle.
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RE: Dennis Dodd - AAC pursuing Mountain West teams and UAB
Air Force, Boise State, Colorado State, San Diego State and UAB.

That's it. That's the invite list. Fantastic additions for the AAC. Sweetheart deal that Boise State has with the MW will be its downfall. Boise State has to jump off the sinking ship if SDSU, AF, and CSU are leaving. AAC is a made for tv conference, Aresco has pulled off a great victory if he can secure these teams.

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Big12 inviting PAC teams is a pipe dream. Zero chance they are able to land one. It proves the Big12 is not targeting any of the AAC or MW teams. Big12 expansion is over.

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AAC 2.0 needs to sign a grant of rights. It was the saving grace for the Big12. It has prevented teams from leaving the ACC. The Grant of Rights is the only defense conferences have during realignment. It also secures more tv revenue.
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RE: Dennis Dodd - AAC pursuing Mountain West teams and UAB
(09-16-2021 01:49 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  Here's what confuses me. They turned the AAC down on the last attempt and there was more money involved. And also the 3 premier teams leaving were still here. What makes anyone in the MWC leave there for the AAC? I just don't see it.

Te biggest difference is its not going to be for football only. These will be "all sports" invites.
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(09-16-2021 01:44 PM)piratedj Wrote:  
(09-16-2021 01:42 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  
(09-16-2021 01:14 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  According to "multiple sources"

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...alignment/

As mentioned in the article it makes no sense for Boise or Memphis to make a move to another conference until the Big 12 expand further (or not) issue is resolved.

Nothing is guaranteed though. I can see this happening and then add a couple basketball schools

Boise can do what TCU did, back out of the invite from the AAC if the Big 12 calls you.
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(09-16-2021 01:50 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(09-16-2021 01:49 PM)pesik Wrote:  something that is overlooked but insinuated by this article is that smu has turned down the MWC

Quote:Mountain West: North Texas and Tulsa are under consideration by the MWC.

Do we lose Tulsa but add UAB? lol

Yeah---I think that was badly phrased. I think they were trying to say the MW plan is to take Tulsa if they lose Boise to the Big12.
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RE: Dennis Dodd - AAC pursuing Mountain West teams and UAB
(09-16-2021 02:28 PM)Chappy Wrote:  
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(09-16-2021 02:13 PM)Chappy Wrote:  
(09-16-2021 02:11 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(09-16-2021 01:42 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  As mentioned in the article it makes no sense for Boise or Memphis to make a move to another conference until the Big 12 expand further (or not) issue is resolved.

Not sure I agree. If the AC places little restriction on Boise related to a move to the B12 down the road (beyond their current MWC exit fees) why would they not move to increase annual TV revenue by at least $3.5M. And it could be more considering the MWC payout might be reduced substantially if SDSU, AF & CSU make the move. Adding Boise, SDSU, AF, CSU & UAB would not only secure the 6th conference status, it would mortally weaken the MWC & CUSA. And grabbing App St would do the same to the SBC, getting the AAC to 14 schools & setting up a western & eastern div.

Aresco is probably selling Boise on the fact that Cincy, UCF and Houston all used the American to reach the B12. There's no reason Boise couldn't go straight from the MWC to the B12, but I'm betting that's the pitch.

God I hope that's not the pitch. What the AAC needs to do is pay Boise's exit fee and waive the enterance fee. That negates the financial risk of moving to a new conference. If Boise moves maybe the others follow and that's $7000000 promise Aresco made might become an actuality.

It's an illogical pitch for sure, but listening to Aresco's comments about how we're a power conference because we're losing teams to the B12 makes me feel like that's his angle.

Illogical for sure. The MW could say the same thing with Utah, TCU and sure why not include BYU. BYU would have been invited to the Big 12 even if they were still in the MW.
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Why would Tulsa leave the AAC for the MWC?
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RE: Dennis Dodd - AAC pursuing Mountain West teams and UAB
(09-16-2021 02:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  i honestly think the key for boise is offering them a deal that if they get a big 12 invite before 2026 there will be no exit fees or a reduced exit fee

i think theyd jump on that...the feel their "star" is being dimmed in the mwc.. which it has..

the argument is why "wait" why not stay in the mwc for 5 years and wait for the big 12 to expand again.. at the rate boise is losing star power.. usf,smu, or whoever could easily jump them before the next round

Heck--they'd have come long ago if we offered all sports and a western division including 2 to 4 MW schools. My concern is they may now may feel like a Big12 offer could easily come between now and 2025 if they just keep winning. No need to pay all those exit/entry fees when all we have to do is sit tight for a could of years. If 2025 comes and goes with no more P5 expansion---THEN---I think Boise would probably be ready to come on over. Right now---I suspect we'd have to pay their entry/exit fees to even start the conversation.
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RE: Dennis Dodd - AAC pursuing Mountain West teams and UAB
(09-16-2021 02:34 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  
(09-16-2021 01:44 PM)piratedj Wrote:  
(09-16-2021 01:42 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  
(09-16-2021 01:14 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  According to "multiple sources"

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...alignment/

As mentioned in the article it makes no sense for Boise or Memphis to make a move to another conference until the Big 12 expand further (or not) issue is resolved.

Nothing is guaranteed though. I can see this happening and then add a couple basketball schools

Boise can do what TCU did, back out of the invite from the AAC if the Big 12 calls you.

That's valid. If everyone thinks Memphis and Boise are imminent adds that the Big 12 decided it would wait until next Tuesday to announce instead of when they added the other teams they picked, then Boise can ditch before they ever get to the AAC in 2024ish.
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(09-16-2021 02:39 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  Why would Tulsa leave the AAC for the MWC?

Yeah I never understood that one, but word is SMU is moving down as well.
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(09-16-2021 02:32 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Air Force, Boise State, Colorado State, San Diego State and UAB.

That's it. That's the invite list. Fantastic additions for the AAC. Sweetheart deal that Boise State has with the MW will be its downfall. Boise State has to jump off the sinking ship if SDSU, AF, and CSU are leaving. AAC is a made for tv conference, Aresco has pulled off a great victory if he can secure these teams.

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Big12 inviting PAC teams is a pipe dream. Zero chance they are able to land one. It proves the Big12 is not targeting any of the AAC or MW teams. Big12 expansion is over.

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AAC 2.0 needs to sign a grant of rights. It was the saving grace for the Big12. It has prevented teams from leaving the ACC. The Grant of Rights is the only defense conferences have during realignment. It also secures more tv revenue.

I legit want this to happen. AAC would clearly be the best of the rest and P6. AAC champ in the expanded playoffs every year.
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RE: Dennis Dodd - AAC pursuing Mountain West teams and UAB
If BSU wants to be relevant again they should join AAC. Memphis/USF/SMU are pissed they got left out and will do everything they can to be on the next invite. BSU needs to be able to show apple to apple comparison or they will be leapfrogged. The B12 invites will be from AAC bc that has most candidates fighting for position.

MWC is good short-term play but if you want to be on the next invite you better show you are better and nobody respects the MWC championship. BSU has won before but AAC with ESPN will determine who gets the publicity for the next invites.
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(09-16-2021 01:53 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  
(09-16-2021 01:51 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(09-16-2021 01:49 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  Here's what confuses me. They turned the AAC down on the last attempt and there was more money involved. And also the 3 premier teams leaving were still here. What makes anyone in the MWC leave there for the AAC? I just don't see it.

Maybe seeing they missed the call up while seeing 3 AAC teams get the call up makes them want to get more East Coast visibility?

Bingo. The opportunity and exposure in the AAC hands down trumps the MWC.

The thing is that if Boise has been quietly told that they're up in the next round of B12 invites, they have a better option. B12 is closer to them, more money, P5 or P5 1/2.
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(09-16-2021 01:31 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  Best news of the day… sorta.

If Aresco thinks that we will get any MWC teams without building them a “pod”, he’s wrong. I hope to eat crow on this one but I just don’t see it.

Boise State
Fresno State
SDSU
UNLV or Utah State (my vote is for the latter)
Colorado State
Air Force

That’s what needs to be pursued. We can add UAB and another to get to 16.

The 4 mentioned plus Tulsa SMU WSU is a western pod
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If the AAC can truly lure a critical mass of MWC schools all the way to San Diego State, then there's another school that the league should be aiming for: Gonzaga.
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Posted this in the other thread, but something to keep in mind -

I wonder why Fresno State wasn’t included in the teams Dodd listed. Looks like they are taking game attendance into consideration. Does Fresno State have bad academics?

AAC
49. Central Florida (6) - 43,788
55. Memphis (6) - 39,784
61. Cincinnati (6) - 35,985
65. East Carolina (6) - 33,134
67. Navy (6) - 31,970
68. South Florida (7) - 31,823
73. Temple (7) - 29,460
78. Houston (4) - 26,192
84. SMU (6) - 23,633
94. Tulane (6) - 20,271
98. Tulsa (6) - 18,741
101. Connecticut (6) - 18,216

CUSA
80. Southern Miss (5) - 24,765
81. UAB (6) - 24,726
87. Marshall (7) - 23,190
89. Rice (7) - 22,212
90. North Texas (6) - 21,358
92. Louisiana Tech (6) - 20,439
95. UTSA (6) - 19,904
100. Old Dominion (6) - 18,234
107. Florida Atlantic (6) - 17,214
110. UTEP (6) - 17,093
120. Western Kentucky (6) - 15,191
122. Middle Tennessee (6) - 14,253
124. Florida International (6) - 13,874
127. Charlotte (6) - 12,319

MAC
93. Toledo (6) - 20,399
103. Akron (6) - 17,959
104. Western Michigan (6) - 17,937
106. Miami, OH (5) - 17,794
111. Eastern Michigan (5) - 17,025
113. Ohio (6) - 16,566
114. Buffalo (6) - 16,417
119. Bowling Green (6) - 15,295
125. Central Michigan (6) - 13,564
126. Kent State (5) - 12,822
128. Ball State (6) - 9,924
130. Northern Illinois (5) - 8,518

MWC
64. Boise State (6) - 33,488
69. Fresno State (6) - 31,552
72. San Diego State (6) - 29,896
75. Air Force (6) - 27,084
83. Hawaii (8) - 23,689
86. Colorado State (6) - 23,338
88. Wyoming (6) - 23,007
96. UNLV (6) - 19,864
97. Utah State (6) - 19,609
116. Nevada (6) - 16,180
117. New Mexico (6) - 15,747
118. San Jose State (6) - 15,396

SUN BELT
82. Appalachian State (6) - 24,670
85. Troy (6) - 23,499
91. Arkansas State (6) - 20,670
102. Louisiana-Lafayette (7) - 18,203
108. Georgia State (6) - 17,186
109. Texas State (6) - 17,140
112. Louisiana-Monroe (6) - 16,728
115. South Alabama (6) - 16,322
121. Coastal Carolina (6) - 15,034
123. Georgia Southern (6) - 13,964

INDEPENDENTS
17. Notre Dame (7) - 76,288
22. BYU (6) - 59,547
70. Army (6) - 30,989
99. Liberty (6) - 18,272
105. New Mexico State (5) - 17,905
129. Massachusetts (6) - 9,498
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You guys who are beating the drum for the Western schools need to take a long look at C-USA with ODU, FAU, and UTEP in it. Granted you're talking about three or four schools, but travel costs for everyone involved are going to be enormous.
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(09-16-2021 02:53 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  
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(09-16-2021 01:49 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  Here's what confuses me. They turned the AAC down on the last attempt and there was more money involved. And also the 3 premier teams leaving were still here. What makes anyone in the MWC leave there for the AAC? I just don't see it.

Maybe seeing they missed the call up while seeing 3 AAC teams get the call up makes them want to get more East Coast visibility?

Bingo. The opportunity and exposure in the AAC hands down trumps the MWC.

The thing is that if Boise has been quietly told that they're up in the next round of B12 invites, they have a better option. B12 is closer to them, more money, P5 or P5 1/2.

As stated 17 times in this thread. There are very easy ways to overcome that with the offer (covering exit fees if it happens within a certain period of time). It's about positioning until that happen or covering your bases in case it never actually comes.
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RE: Dennis Dodd - AAC pursuing Mountain West teams and UAB
(09-16-2021 01:31 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  Best news of the day… sorta.

If Aresco thinks that we will get any MWC teams without building them a “pod”, he’s wrong. I hope to eat crow on this one but I just don’t see it.

Boise State
Fresno State
SDSU
UNLV or Utah State (my vote is for the latter)
Colorado State
Air Force

That’s what needs to be pursued. We can add UAB and another to get to 16.



Ned,

Please explain -- what do you mean, exactly, precisely, by a "pod?"

The suggestion that the AAC is most likely to add 4 schools may itself be extremely good news for the future of the conference.

Question (for all): Does anyone have any idea why Boise might want to join the AAC in 2 years when it seems most likely to be swept away by the Big 12 within 5 or 6 years?
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(09-16-2021 03:01 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  
(09-16-2021 01:31 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  Best news of the day… sorta.

If Aresco thinks that we will get any MWC teams without building them a “pod”, he’s wrong. I hope to eat crow on this one but I just don’t see it.

Boise State
Fresno State
SDSU
UNLV or Utah State (my vote is for the latter)
Colorado State
Air Force

That’s what needs to be pursued. We can add UAB and another to get to 16.



Ned,

Please explain -- what do you mean, exactly, precisely, by a "pod?"

The suggestion that the AAC is most likely to add 4 schools may itself be extremely good news for the future of the conference.

Question (for all): Does anyone have any idea why Boise might want to join the AAC in 2 years when it seems most likely to be swept away by the Big 12 within 5 or 6 years?

It's been discussed multiple times in this thread. Better money, exposure, CFP opportunity and hedging your bets in case that invite never comes.
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