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RE: NIU vs Wisconsin vball sold out
With the "limited capacity and the match on ESPN+, I would like afterward to see some report of the viewership. Don't know how to get that, or if STF can get it, or if ESPN releases that info.

Also note NIU has a Friday, 6 p.m. match with UWGB, also on ESPN+.
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dc1 posted: I have attended so many basketball games in the convo and the truth is with 1500 people in there it can get extremely loud. There’s a more than likely chance this match would be the highest attendance NIU event this calendar sports year.
Response: STF doesn't want coach Burno to get discouraged if a volleyball crowd exceeded attendance for NIU's opening exhibition against St. Francis.

dogdangit noted that UW volleyball has sold out every home game and also noted that UW played at Marquette on a Sunday with 3,300 in attendance.
Response: Both are reasons to believe the Badgers would bring fans. Hope NIU's administration either gave UW a set amount of tickets or warned them not to have their fans come due to a lack of seating. How embarrassing will it be IF we have turn fans away?

Milwaukeee Pilot posted that Wisconsin has "four local ladies (Geneva, Naperville, Riverside Brookfield, and Downers Grove)."
Response: Another reason to have told the Badgers your ticket allotment is " only X and no more" or once again, warn them there will not be seats available. Playing in the backyard of four of their players is probably why UW even agreed to play an away match with NIU.

7 posted: "making your team play in a venue they've never played in to sell more tickets is lame. how is it any different than punting on home games to play them in chicago for football? And yes I know Victor E Court is literally in the convo so it's not apples to apples. But let them play where they always do in front of a majority NIU crowd."
Response: Playing a football game in Chicago (Guaranteed Rate, SeatGeek, etc.) to sell more tickets is less likely to hurt them than having additional Huskie fans show up for a home volleyball match.
-- Women's gymnastics competes in the Convo and that atmosphere doesn't hurt them. Most wrestling matches are in the Convo but they've also had some matches in Victor E. Court.

Big Red posted: "We don't want to play an away game in DeKalb with 6,000 Wisconsin fans in the building."
Response: Why not if they are paying customers? When NIU played its first game at Rockford's MetroCentre (forget what it's now called), the DePaul fans outnumbered Huskie fans. NIU had a December home hoops game with Wisconsin and the Badger fans made it sound like they were in the majority in responding to a lone UW cheerleader (I'll never forget that one).
Bottom line, this is wasting a major opportunity if the match is not moved into the Convo. Having the No. 2-ranked team as your opponent is reason enough to have contacted area volleyball clubs and area high school volleyball teams to show up. Proving once again that common sense and marketing are not a strong suit under STF.
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(09-14-2021 09:22 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 09:16 PM)7 Wrote:  making your team play in a venue they've never played in to sell more tickets is lame. how is it any different than punting on home games to play them in chicago for football?

And yes I know Victor E Court is literally in the convo so it's not apples to apples. But let them play where they always do in front of a majority NIU crowd.

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Exactly. 2/3+ Wisconsin fans and same people are complaining why didn’t fans come out?
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When I called the office I was not going to argue. I just wanted to know. But looking over this, I have to agree with uiniu57 on most of it (showing up mbb is a long-shot reason, tho). This is:
-- potential revenue for a typically non-revenue sport
-- a chance to promo to area h.s. programs. I'd be handing out 500 tickets to 25 schools @ 20 apiece. No charge since the seats are there anyway.
-- a chance to play in front of a bigger crowd no matter whose fans they are; 800 seats max is 800 seats max.
-- get out on campus and rally some student support because it's vs. #2
-- it is not in a different venue, like fb playing in Chicago.
-- several other reasons I can't think of right now. I'm too frustrated by all the stupid going on.

This wasn't a secret, something that just came up. Does ANYBODY know how to recognize and take advantage of an opportunity?
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Pv75, NIU volleyball vs Greenbay is Thursday night not Friday. Friday night in victor E court is Wisconsin vs Greenbay then Saturday it’s NIU vs Wisconsin
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(09-14-2021 10:50 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  When I called the office I was not going to argue. I just wanted to know. But looking over this, I have to agree with uiniu57 on most of it (showing up mbb is a long-shot reason, tho). This is:
-- potential revenue for a typically non-revenue sport
-- a chance to promo to area h.s. programs. I'd be handing out 500 tickets to 25 schools @ 20 apiece. No charge since the seats are there anyway.
-- a chance to play in front of a bigger crowd no matter whose fans they are; 800 seats max is 800 seats max.
-- get out on campus and rally some student support because it's vs. #2
-- it is not in a different venue, like fb playing in Chicago.
-- several other reasons I can't think of right now. I'm too frustrated by all the stupid going on.

This wasn't a secret, something that just came up. Does ANYBODY know how to recognize and take advantage of an opportunity?

Lot of wishful thinking. So many have gave ideas, suggestions on how to get kids to games . I don’t take all blame from STF but let’s face it, outside of a short span in 2010s in football , 30 yrs ago in m/w bb, students don’t give a crap at NIU. I’d rather reward the small few rather than chase a pipe dream for one game and even avoid a large visiting crowd embarrassment.
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(09-14-2021 11:03 PM)dc1 Wrote:  Pv75, NIU volleyball vs Greenbay is Thursday night not Friday. Friday night in victor E court is Wisconsin vs Greenbay then Saturday it’s NIU vs Wisconsin

Oops. You are correct. Thank you.
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Side note: I bet NIU Athletics won’t mind if A bunch of Wisconsin fans show up at victor E. Court Friday night for their match vs Greenbay!
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(09-14-2021 11:04 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 10:50 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  When I called the office I was not going to argue. I just wanted to know. But looking over this, I have to agree with uiniu57 on most of it (showing up mbb is a long-shot reason, tho). This is:
-- potential revenue for a typically non-revenue sport
-- a chance to promo to area h.s. programs. I'd be handing out 500 tickets to 25 schools @ 20 apiece. No charge since the seats are there anyway.
-- a chance to play in front of a bigger crowd no matter whose fans they are; 800 seats max is 800 seats max.
-- get out on campus and rally some student support because it's vs. #2
-- it is not in a different venue, like fb playing in Chicago.
-- several other reasons I can't think of right now. I'm too frustrated by all the stupid going on.

This wasn't a secret, something that just came up. Does ANYBODY know how to recognize and take advantage of an opportunity?

Lot of wishful thinking. So many have gave ideas, suggestions on how to get kids to games . I don’t take all blame from STF but let’s face it, outside of a short span in 2010s in football , 30 yrs ago in m/w bb, students don’t give a crap at NIU. I’d rather reward the small few rather than chase a pipe dream for one game and even avoid a large visiting crowd embarrassment.

Perhaps, but if NIU doesn't at least try to take advantage of these rare opportunities, then what? "It won't work" becomes easier, encourages lethargy, and can spill over into everything. Maybe that's what's happened already. Think post-BCS Orange. Think post-season bowls at 0-5. Maybe you're right. Interest in NIU is dying so let it go.

But this ... I'm not just talking about trying to get students in there. That was just one point. The high schools, the community, the usual alumni crowd ... and whatever student draw. How many times has the #2 team in the country, which fans recognize, played volleyball at NIU? If they draw 3,000 and NIU draws 1,000, that's 4,000 people showing on ESPN+. Excepting the h.s. kids (free), that's maybe 3,000+ tickets sold. Concession revenue. Swag?

This team is 6-2 prior to the UWGB match. Men's soccer is 5-1 after beating #18 Marquette and now Milwaukee. Women's soccer is 3-4 and one notch away from .500. I don't know what the golf teams are doing. How much do we let go?

My apologies, randyfensclub1. You always have some good points to make. It IS just one game, but it's an opportunity too. Sure NIU will play uphill, but so what?

It's just that when something good comes along, it's negative first. Northern CAN do good things too. It just has to get smarter about how to do it.
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(09-14-2021 11:27 PM)dc1 Wrote:  Side note: I bet NIU Athletics won’t mind if A bunch of Wisconsin fans show up at victor E. Court Friday night for their match vs Greenbay!

I bet you're absolutely right. Also, these people have money (at least more than I do). Can't remember my last drive to Madison, but that might be a hard turn-around overnight, especially if they want to celebrate some. Wonder if there's a slight uptick in local motels. Believe it or not, there are a few around.

Local includes Country Inn & Suites, Holiday Inn Express, Homes2Suites by Hilton, Red Roof Inn, Comfort Inn, Hampton Inn.
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Some Wisconsin fans probably wanted to make a weekend out of this as they play Friday and Saturday. There may be more Wisconsin fans at the match with NIU but there also would be more NIU fans there.
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(09-14-2021 11:35 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 11:04 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 10:50 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  When I called the office I was not going to argue. I just wanted to know. But looking over this, I have to agree with uiniu57 on most of it (showing up mbb is a long-shot reason, tho). This is:
-- potential revenue for a typically non-revenue sport
-- a chance to promo to area h.s. programs. I'd be handing out 500 tickets to 25 schools @ 20 apiece. No charge since the seats are there anyway.
-- a chance to play in front of a bigger crowd no matter whose fans they are; 800 seats max is 800 seats max.
-- get out on campus and rally some student support because it's vs. #2
-- it is not in a different venue, like fb playing in Chicago.
-- several other reasons I can't think of right now. I'm too frustrated by all the stupid going on.

This wasn't a secret, something that just came up. Does ANYBODY know how to recognize and take advantage of an opportunity?

Lot of wishful thinking. So many have gave ideas, suggestions on how to get kids to games . I don’t take all blame from STF but let’s face it, outside of a short span in 2010s in football , 30 yrs ago in m/w bb, students don’t give a crap at NIU. I’d rather reward the small few rather than chase a pipe dream for one game and even avoid a large visiting crowd embarrassment.

Perhaps, but if NIU doesn't at least try to take advantage of these rare opportunities, then what? "It won't work" becomes easier, encourages lethargy, and can spill over into everything. Maybe that's what's happened already. Think post-BCS Orange. Think post-season bowls at 0-5. Maybe you're right. Interest in NIU is dying so let it go.

But this ... I'm not just talking about trying to get students in there. That was just one point. The high schools, the community, the usual alumni crowd ... and whatever student draw. How many times has the #2 team in the country, which fans recognize, played volleyball at NIU? If they draw 3,000 and NIU draws 1,000, that's 4,000 people showing on ESPN+. Excepting the h.s. kids (free), that's maybe 3,000+ tickets sold. Concession revenue. Swag?

This team is 6-2 prior to the UWGB match. Men's soccer is 5-1 after beating #18 Marquette and now Milwaukee. Women's soccer is 3-4 and one notch away from .500. I don't know what the golf teams are doing. How much do we let go?

My apologies, randyfensclub1. You always have some good points to make. It IS just one game, but it's an opportunity too. Sure NIU will play uphill, but so what?

It's just that when something good comes along, it's negative first. Northern CAN do good things too. It just has to get smarter about how to do it.

I don't disagree with your logic. I suggest blitz to everywhere post Orange Bowl. Every peewee programs, schedules, group ticket promotions.They could have done more but didn't. The whole AD was gutted as they left (a few who I spoke to, went out of their way for me), staff got small and enrollment shrank. tried to get fellow friends alumni on board to go to games, donate part of there 6 figure salaries. Nothing be it single guy or family that always had "other plans." But I was able to get a few for UM and Maine following week as a miracle. Only regular is alumnus from NY who goes to Georgia Tech bar in NYC trying to get killed as they played the NIU fight song after scores lol.

I'm just not looking long term, naïve enough to think for the 100th time "start somewhere." It just doesn't have the energy.

Hopefully that time comes where we could say we'd get 2k for a vb game and control the atmosphere. 4k for bb. 20k for football. I've come to accept it, enjoy it for what it is. I think this is a take care of the loyalists and hope it perhaps sets something up.
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I think it's pretty simple---play on the main court. Lower bowl for paying fans. You open the upper regions and go to every high school team in the surrounding counties and give them 20 free tickets each. You go to the schools I mentioned that have players on the Wisconsin roster (if not engulfed in the surrounding counties) and give them 20 free tickets each. You go to every team ranked in the top 10-15 in the state and give them 20 tickets each. (just like the good old band days for football)

It's a 6:00 game so I would guess many, many of the high school teams are not playing so you have a captive audience.

If you 50 schools you have just thrown in 1,000 fans with interest in the game and the sport. You, at least, expose them to NIU----no more than a couple of handful of the 1,000 are going to play D1 volleyball---you open concessions to them.

The dang match is probably going to last an hour and half.....I have no idea how long it takes to play three games.
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Part the "logic' of playing in VEC is that it provides at home court advantage. If the powers that be don't understand that the vast majority of fans will be Wisconsin fans, then the need to get a serious reality check.

One of the reasons for the blind love of VEC is that the coach before Gooden, Todd Kress, criticized the space constructed for the program as he left for Florida State after winning the MAC and going to the NCAA tourney. He would have left for the money of course. But , imagine Cary Groth, already hurting from mistakes made in the design and build of the building asks potential head coach Gooden, so Ray, how do YOU like the VEC? If he wanted the job you can guess his answer. Sad part is that Gooden and the administration haven't reacted to the rising popularity of women's volleyball with any plan at all.
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(09-14-2021 08:13 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote:  Wouldn’t have enough concessions, any way.

Forget about trying to get any hotdogs, pizza, or nachos. They'll be gone by the first serve...
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I haven't worked at the Convo in about 10 years, but how exactly do you guys want them to get a volleyball court in the main arena?
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Bleedshuskiesred, are you saying that they can’t put a volleyball court in the main arena? Trying to figure out what you’re saying
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(09-15-2021 06:48 PM)dc1 Wrote:  Bleedshuskiesred, are you saying that they can’t put a volleyball court in the main arena? Trying to figure out what you’re saying

I don't think the floor is lined for volleyball and I believe someone mentioned the floor doesn't have holes in it for the stanchions.
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(09-15-2021 04:29 PM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  I haven't worked at the Convo in about 10 years, but how exactly do you guys want them to get a volleyball court in the main arena?

It would necessitate drilling two holes to support the volleyball posts. Initially we're talking drilling into the concrete base floor, then assemble NIU's portable basketball floor and determine where and how to drill through floor boards above those holes. Then simply use a non-permanent type paint for the volleyball lines. Most folks probably never noticed those gold caps at mid-court back in the Evans Field House days.
Yes, it's way too late now, but you can do a google search and there are used courts for sale, just like buying a basketball court. Long-term, there are even systems that do not require drilling holes: https://www.garedsports.com/products/go-...ll-system. Of course we all know STF doesn't care to spend money on volleyball or any other Olympic sport.
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(09-15-2021 07:33 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  
(09-15-2021 04:29 PM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  I haven't worked at the Convo in about 10 years, but how exactly do you guys want them to get a volleyball court in the main arena?

It would necessitate drilling two holes to support the volleyball posts. Initially we're talking drilling into the concrete base floor, then assemble NIU's portable basketball floor and determine where and how to drill through floor boards above those holes. Then simply use a non-permanent type paint for the volleyball lines. Most folks probably never noticed those gold caps at mid-court back in the Evans Field House days.
Yes, it's way too late now, but you can do a google search and there are used courts for sale, just like buying a basketball court. Long-term, there are even systems that do not require drilling holes: https://www.garedsports.com/products/go-...ll-system. Of course we all know STF doesn't care to spend money on volleyball or any other Olympic sport.

That link doesn't work so I'm curious about these volleyball poles that don't require a hole in the floor. I've never seen that. Also, are there college programs who play with those?
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