Quote:Because you don’t have a stadium

Congratulations for the dumbest post of the day. Exactly what we expect if you.

Lolz that goes to the guy who doesn’t know usf doesn’t have a stadium to build a statue at, in a thread about facilities.

Ain't HATE great!

(09-17-2021 07:12 AM)TyBull Wrote:  Ain't HATE great!

They may be going to the Big12 but we know where their heart will really be at. They just can’t help it.

UCF must have done numerous things the right way to get a Big XII invitation.

1. Win and win big. 2 of 3 BCS bowl game wins
2. Numerous football conference championships…USF 0
3. High athlete gpas and graduation rates…year after year
4. Incredible game day atmosphere in the Bounce House…ESPN loves us…see Game day vs Cincinnati…you?
5. Did I say Win!?
6. Win some more…vs losing a lot and empty stands
7. Sweet indoor facility
8. Sweet OCS!…yes we have one our students love….some don’t have one
9. Sweet basketball arena
10. Beautiful campus and facilities vs. well, you know
11. Back to back undefeated regular seasons….yes, undefeated, as in never lost
12. Perfect and undefeated season ending in a National Championship…see the NCAA record book

Big XII is ecstatic to have us….USF…not even remotely considered. The results don’t lie…UCF did it the right way and earned it…..so says an unbiased Big XII…USF didn’t earn it and didn’t have Genshaft doing everything to keep UCF out……Karma is a bull. ? and Green is the color of envy.

I love how much we live rent free in yalls heads. It’s comical.

(09-16-2021 03:38 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 07:01 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  USF is going to be fine, The biggest thing they did was made some bad coaching hires. UCF got lucky and made some good ones. That can change very quickly for either school.

The biggest difference btw USF and UCF goes back in how the two schools handled situations where their program defining coaches got themselves embroiled in scandal.

George O'Leary was saved from the chopping block b/c their AD protected him against some ugly accusations and the multiple bouts with NCAA penalties. In contrast, USF forgot...or didn't care that Leavitt was the program at that point and it would nearly impossible to replace him and the value he brought to the program. Leavitt behaved badly...but it wasn't to the level described in the media and court documents proved this a couple years later when he won/settled his lawsuit against USF. USF's AD was a clueless dolt...and let this all happen. I am glad UCF fans slashed his tires. lol

Since then, USF made a terrible hire in Skip Holtz b/c he didn't understand what he wasn't getting himself into. Taggart wasn't left much talent by Holtz, made a horrendous decision to run the Stanford Power O during his first two years and wasn't until he unleashed Flowers that the program's fortunes turned...and the future looked bright. Watching Flowers, Mack, Adams, MVS and at least 6 other future NFL players make plays all over the field was fun. Then Willie got greedy...

Character matters and where Taggart should have stayed one more year like Scott Frost did, to win a confer4nce championship with a loaded roster, he took an 11-month temp job as Oregon's head coach before bailing on them to get overmatched at FSU.

Instead of hiring another young, energetic offensive minded coach they hired a defensive guy, like if it was the 1980s again. Strong was a mistake from the beginning. Much like Holtz he didn't fit at USF...and cratered the program. While Willie should have won at least one championship during his time at USF, there was more than enough talent to USF to win it in 2018. UCF benefited b/c Strong tried to turn Flowers into a pocket passer.

Now ppl may point to USF's lack of facilities for recent developments, however the reality is that if USF had won more -- it would have made all the difference in fan support and conference opportunities. Those great Willie Taggart teams were as good as anyone in the Big12 today. Facilities matter....but winning trumps all.

Jeff Scott is starting USF's third straight rebuild and doing it right. He reminds me a lot of Leavitt in his sincere passion and energy for the job and if promises are kept by the administration, he will get the facilities he needs.

So....you are 100% right, that USF biggest issue has been bad at picking bad coaches. If USF can figure it out....and as a long-time fan I love what I am FINALLY hearing....it will have options. Ppl may say its too late...but not really. The intangibles are really good for USF....it just needs to focus on the intangible that matters most: winning $@#$@ football games that matter.

I like USF's future. USF made a great higher in FB you just need to give him the time to rebuild the program. And in that recruiting hotbed, it should not take too long. You guys have built some great facilities and an OCS will be the crowning jewel. It is only a matter of time for USF.

(09-17-2021 03:41 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I love how much we live rent free in yalls heads. It’s comical.

USF football pays rent...

(09-20-2021 09:38 AM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 03:41 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I love how much we live rent free in yalls heads. It’s comical.

USF football pays rent...

Look, another moron showed up.

Rent free, all day.

(09-20-2021 01:49 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(09-20-2021 09:38 AM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 03:41 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I love how much we live rent free in yalls heads. It’s comical.

USF football pays rent...

Look, another moron showed up.

Rent free, all day.

Here I thought you were clever... instead I get the last retort of someone without a sustainable position. Come on, where's your fight, your spark? Tell me more about playing West Virginia and how great it was. I want to hear more about how we cheated our way to relevancy. Maybe explain how the game against FAMU was "almost a sell out" lol. You were on a roll! But you end with this... so sad.

(09-20-2021 02:21 PM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  

(09-20-2021 01:49 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(09-20-2021 09:38 AM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 03:41 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I love how much we live rent free in yalls heads. It’s comical.

USF football pays rent...

Look, another moron showed up.

Rent free, all day.

Here I thought you were clever... instead I get the last retort of someone without a sustainable position. Come on, where's your fight, your spark? Tell me more about playing West Virginia and how great it was. I want to hear more about how we cheated our way to relevancy. Maybe explain how the game against FAMU was "almost a sell out" lol. You were on a roll! But you end with this... so sad.

Oh, heres a piece of info. I dont give a **** what your opinion is.

UCF fans have been utter ******** on here and I stopped trying to be nice when I realized the Mods werent going to do anything about it.

(09-20-2021 02:25 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(09-20-2021 02:21 PM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  

(09-20-2021 01:49 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(09-20-2021 09:38 AM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 03:41 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I love how much we live rent free in yalls heads. It’s comical.

USF football pays rent...

Look, another moron showed up.

Rent free, all day.

Here I thought you were clever... instead I get the last retort of someone without a sustainable position. Come on, where's your fight, your spark? Tell me more about playing West Virginia and how great it was. I want to hear more about how we cheated our way to relevancy. Maybe explain how the game against FAMU was "almost a sell out" lol. You were on a roll! But you end with this... so sad.

Oh, heres a piece of info. I dont give a **** what your opinion is.

UCF fans have been utter ******** on here and I stopped trying to be nice when I realized the Mods werent going to do anything about it.

Evidently you ran out of clever when you ran out of nice. Sounds like you just don't like to hear what others have to say. The discussion was pretty decent until your last few

Yawn….

When you stop hunting down usf threads and act like an ass in them, then I’ll return to nice. I am entirely over your fans acting like entitled *****.

Now would you like to talk about the IPF and OCS, which is what the article is about or comment more on our program, so I can tell you again that I do t give a **** what your opinion is?

I'm really shocked this turned into a USF vs UCF thread.

Anyway, my personal thoughts are that... for some reason, getting burned by the Big East didn't wake USF up into action. I don't know why. UC and USF were in somewhat similar situations after the BE stuff, with both having the feeling of being left out and forced a giant perceived downgrade (a major one in basketball but actually in the end only a slight one in football). This scared the absolute p**s out of UC and their admin. We had rested on our laurels upon being accepted into the BE, and it bit us. We were determined not to let that happen again if the opportunity arose. Football success helped, but we had that in the years leading up to 2012 and that didn't help. No, the athletics dept at UC was caught reacting in 2012 and wasn't ready to show when compared with a UofL (who had done nothing but continue to build after entering the BE). We had to act and act fast, and the work done to the dept at UC (both facility and non facility investments) made them a virtual layup this time if movement were to ever occur. There was no guarantee, but to have a shot, you needed to be sitting there ready.

This feeling never happened for USF for some reason. I'm glad it happened to them now, perhaps it was UCF's invite that got the fans/admin the sting needed to take action. Regardless, if this attitude at USF continues, they will be ready for whenever the landscape inevitably changes again. Just like the new Big 12 won't be some SEC level stable powerhouse, it may not be perfect, but it's going to make the investment worth it. I hope that this attitude drives improvement forward. The true fans at schools like USF deserve an admin that sees the AD the same way they do. Good luck bulls, you at least have one person rooting for you.

We failed to act after the big East for the same reasons we didn’t build during the Big East. We had a president who only used sports as a photo shoot and didn’t actually care. Her apathy is what caused all this.

Then we got a new president and he sucked at everything. Did nothing at all for sports and then somehow managed to piss off the academics side, the donors, city leaders and state.

He just got run out on a rail. So all of this comes at a good moment. We’re building some facilities and if we get a new president who cares, then we’ll make our goal of a stadium in 2025/26.
If we hire another like the last two, then we get what we deserve. This is our last chance. Improve and build, then I think we’ll have options.

Seriously believe usf/smu will take this snub as extra motivation and bypass boise state for the next expansion. Memphis I think is in as long as long they don't tank.

It will be interesting to see teams battle for such limited spots.

(09-20-2021 03:02 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Yawn….

When you stop hunting down usf threads and act like an ass in them, then I’ll return to nice. I am entirely over your fans acting like entitled *****.

Now would you like to talk about the IPF and OCS, which is what the article is about or comment more on our program, so I can tell you again that I do t give a **** what your opinion is?

Once again my comments were to question if building facilities would be enough, which is what the article implies. You are the one who turned it into a UCF v usf thing.

(09-20-2021 03:16 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  I'm really shocked this turned into a USF vs UCF thread.

Anyway, my personal thoughts are that... for some reason, getting burned by the Big East didn't wake USF up into action. I don't know why. UC and USF were in somewhat similar situations after the BE stuff, with both having the feeling of being left out and forced a giant perceived downgrade (a major one in basketball but actually in the end only a slight one in football). This scared the absolute p**s out of UC and their admin. We had rested on our laurels upon being accepted into the BE, and it bit us. We were determined not to let that happen again if the opportunity arose. Football success helped, but we had that in the years leading up to 2012 and that didn't help. No, the athletics dept at UC was caught reacting in 2012 and wasn't ready to show when compared with a UofL (who had done nothing but continue to build after entering the BE). We had to act and act fast, and the work done to the dept at UC (both facility and non facility investments) made them a virtual layup this time if movement were to ever occur. There was no guarantee, but to have a shot, you needed to be sitting there ready.

This feeling never happened for USF for some reason. I'm glad it happened to them now, perhaps it was UCF's invite that got the fans/admin the sting needed to take action. Regardless, if this attitude at USF continues, they will be ready for whenever the landscape inevitably changes again. Just like the new Big 12 won't be some SEC level stable powerhouse, it may not be perfect, but it's going to make the investment worth it. I hope that this attitude drives improvement forward. The true fans at schools like USF deserve an admin that sees the AD the same way they do. Good luck bulls, you at least have one person rooting for you.

UC has been quietly building their brand after the Big East debacle. But they also have over 100 years of history and culture to pull on. They are not quite the same. The reason that so many threads end up as UCF/usf comparisons is only partially due to the rivalry aspect, but in large part because both programs are so similar in makeup and history. Similar size, location, age demographics, cities, etc.. The debates over the choices, facilities, culture, conferences has been argued for the last 20 years as they were taking place. It is a case study of strategy for new programs. it is part of the hate between the programs and the condescension and distain has ebbed an flowed from both fan bases. The animosity towards the administration at usf is, to me, a relatively new thing. I have not seen much of that prior to this year. The amazing thing is that there are a fair number of of us that want usf to succeed and move up. College football without a hated rival is boring. That does not mean you don't take your shots while you can

(09-20-2021 03:44 PM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  

(09-20-2021 03:16 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  I'm really shocked this turned into a USF vs UCF thread.

Anyway, my personal thoughts are that... for some reason, getting burned by the Big East didn't wake USF up into action. I don't know why. UC and USF were in somewhat similar situations after the BE stuff, with both having the feeling of being left out and forced a giant perceived downgrade (a major one in basketball but actually in the end only a slight one in football). This scared the absolute p**s out of UC and their admin. We had rested on our laurels upon being accepted into the BE, and it bit us. We were determined not to let that happen again if the opportunity arose. Football success helped, but we had that in the years leading up to 2012 and that didn't help. No, the athletics dept at UC was caught reacting in 2012 and wasn't ready to show when compared with a UofL (who had done nothing but continue to build after entering the BE). We had to act and act fast, and the work done to the dept at UC (both facility and non facility investments) made them a virtual layup this time if movement were to ever occur. There was no guarantee, but to have a shot, you needed to be sitting there ready.

This feeling never happened for USF for some reason. I'm glad it happened to them now, perhaps it was UCF's invite that got the fans/admin the sting needed to take action. Regardless, if this attitude at USF continues, they will be ready for whenever the landscape inevitably changes again. Just like the new Big 12 won't be some SEC level stable powerhouse, it may not be perfect, but it's going to make the investment worth it. I hope that this attitude drives improvement forward. The true fans at schools like USF deserve an admin that sees the AD the same way they do. Good luck bulls, you at least have one person rooting for you.

UC has been quietly building their brand after the Big East debacle. But they also have over 100 years of history and culture to pull on. They are not quite the same. The reason that so many threads end up as UCF/usf comparisons is only partially due to the rivalry aspect, but in large part because both programs are so similar in makeup and history. Similar size, location, age demographics, cities, etc.. The debates over the choices, facilities, culture, conferences has been argued for the last 20 years as they were taking place. It is a case study of strategy for new programs. it is part of the hate between the programs and the condescension and distain has ebbed an flowed from both fan bases. The animosity towards the administration at usf is, to me, a relatively new thing. I have not seen much of that prior to this year. The amazing thing is that there are a fair number of of us that want usf to succeed and move up. College football without a hated rival is boring. That does not mean you don't take your shots while you can

While I do understand and agree that UC has a long football history, quite frankly, most of that history is worthless. We might as well have started our football program around 1990 for as poor as things were handled before then. We briefly dropped to 1AA for a year in the 80s and the program was extremely close to being dropped for good. Starting in 1990ish, it was basically a startup program.

So while I agree that it doesn't match the same dynamic as USF/UCF, it truthfully isn't as nearly far off as you think. We basically were given a head start with a dilapidated but actually existing OCS, and that's a huge huge advantage (shouldn't be understated), but that was basically it.

UCF/USF basically started with raw vacant land whereas UC started with cleared land and a pit in the ground, but not much else.

(09-20-2021 03:51 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(09-20-2021 03:44 PM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  

(09-20-2021 03:16 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  I'm really shocked this turned into a USF vs UCF thread.

Anyway, my personal thoughts are that... for some reason, getting burned by the Big East didn't wake USF up into action. I don't know why. UC and USF were in somewhat similar situations after the BE stuff, with both having the feeling of being left out and forced a giant perceived downgrade (a major one in basketball but actually in the end only a slight one in football). This scared the absolute p**s out of UC and their admin. We had rested on our laurels upon being accepted into the BE, and it bit us. We were determined not to let that happen again if the opportunity arose. Football success helped, but we had that in the years leading up to 2012 and that didn't help. No, the athletics dept at UC was caught reacting in 2012 and wasn't ready to show when compared with a UofL (who had done nothing but continue to build after entering the BE). We had to act and act fast, and the work done to the dept at UC (both facility and non facility investments) made them a virtual layup this time if movement were to ever occur. There was no guarantee, but to have a shot, you needed to be sitting there ready.

This feeling never happened for USF for some reason. I'm glad it happened to them now, perhaps it was UCF's invite that got the fans/admin the sting needed to take action. Regardless, if this attitude at USF continues, they will be ready for whenever the landscape inevitably changes again. Just like the new Big 12 won't be some SEC level stable powerhouse, it may not be perfect, but it's going to make the investment worth it. I hope that this attitude drives improvement forward. The true fans at schools like USF deserve an admin that sees the AD the same way they do. Good luck bulls, you at least have one person rooting for you.

UC has been quietly building their brand after the Big East debacle. But they also have over 100 years of history and culture to pull on. They are not quite the same. The reason that so many threads end up as UCF/usf comparisons is only partially due to the rivalry aspect, but in large part because both programs are so similar in makeup and history. Similar size, location, age demographics, cities, etc.. The debates over the choices, facilities, culture, conferences has been argued for the last 20 years as they were taking place. It is a case study of strategy for new programs. it is part of the hate between the programs and the condescension and distain has ebbed an flowed from both fan bases. The animosity towards the administration at usf is, to me, a relatively new thing. I have not seen much of that prior to this year. The amazing thing is that there are a fair number of of us that want usf to succeed and move up. College football without a hated rival is boring. That does not mean you don't take your shots while you can

While I do understand and agree that UC has a long football history, quite frankly, most of that history is worthless. We might as well have started our football program around 1990 for as poor as things were handled before then. We briefly dropped to 1AA for a year in the 80s and the program was extremely close to being dropped for good. Starting in 1990ish, it was basically a startup program.

So while I agree that it doesn't match the same dynamic as USF/UCF, it truthfully isn't as nearly far off as you think. We basically were given a head start with a dilapidated but actually existing OCS, and that's a huge huge advantage (shouldn't be understated), but that was basically it.

UCF/USF basically started with raw vacant land whereas UC started with cleared land and a pit in the ground, but not much else.

Have to admit that I don't know much about UC's history. Assumed that you have some old big donor types to help fund some things like a stadium upgrade. UCF does not have these...yet. One of the knocks on UCF has always been the bare bones stadium. We know that there is no way that we could fund a $200 million dollar stadium and so we built cheap. We scoff at the idea of usf building a 200 million dollar stadium mostly because we could not do it, and that we see its not really necessary to be lavish. If they pull it off I'm sure we will be envious to some extent. How much do you think UC having an OCS played a role in the decision for the B12?