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Worthless broadcasting stat of the day:

This Saturday Michigan at Penn State play on ABC (shameless Big Ten cheerleader plug of the day!).

This is the fifth year of the FOX Big Ten contract. The Michigan/Penn State game has never aired on FOX during those five seasons. It was on ESPN in 2018 (the biggest reason I don't trust ABC/ESPN as a broadcast partner when they screwed us over that year and dumped us onto ESPN) and ABC the other four years. It just seems unusual that arguably the biggest non Ohio State game every year always winds up on ABC or ESPN and FOX never bids for the week it airs. This year, ABC had the top two picks for this week. Had they grabbed the second Big Ten pick this week, ABC might have selected Purdue/Ohio State for the #1 Big Ten game and FOX could have finally gotten Michigan/Penn State. Ohio State/Michigan has always wound up on FOX but that's because FOX always gets to pick first and I would guess they always pick them first. Penn State/Ohio State was on FOX in 2017 and 2019 and on ABC in 2018, 2020, and 2021. In reality it should always be on ABC as it really is Ohio State's second most attractive game and in most years the second most watched Big Ten game of the year (2021 is the exception due to Michigan and Michigan State both being unbeaten and PSU/OSU airing vs. the World Series). I'm biased but I would rank Michigan/Penn State the 3rd most attractive Big Ten conference game behind Ohio State/Michigan and Penn State/Ohio State. Of course the Big Ten always has its share of non conference games in the Big Ten package and this year's package included Notre Dame/Wisconsin in Chicago and Oregon/Ohio State. I'm guessing Penn State/Ohio State week was the #2 choice by ABC and FOX went with ND/Wisc week or Ore/OSU week #3.
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(11-12-2021 09:39 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Worthless broadcasting stat of the day:

This Saturday Michigan at Penn State play on ABC (shameless Big Ten cheerleader plug of the day!).

This is the fifth year of the FOX Big Ten contract. The Michigan/Penn State game has never aired on FOX during those five seasons. It was on ESPN in 2018 (the biggest reason I don't trust ABC/ESPN as a broadcast partner when they screwed us over that year and dumped us onto ESPN) and ABC the other four years. It just seems unusual that arguably the biggest non Ohio State game every year always winds up on ABC or ESPN and FOX never bids for the week it airs. This year, ABC had the top two picks for this week. Had they grabbed the second Big Ten pick this week, ABC might have selected Purdue/Ohio State for the #1 Big Ten game and FOX could have finally gotten Michigan/Penn State. Ohio State/Michigan has always wound up on FOX but that's because FOX always gets to pick first and I would guess they always pick them first. Penn State/Ohio State was on FOX in 2017 and 2019 and on ABC in 2018, 2020, and 2021. In reality it should always be on ABC as it really is Ohio State's second most attractive game and in most years the second most watched Big Ten game of the year (2021 is the exception due to Michigan and Michigan State both being unbeaten and PSU/OSU airing vs. the World Series). I'm biased but I would rank Michigan/Penn State the 3rd most attractive Big Ten conference game behind Ohio State/Michigan and Penn State/Ohio State. Of course the Big Ten always has its share of non conference games in the Big Ten package and this year's package included Notre Dame/Wisconsin in Chicago and Oregon/Ohio State. I'm guessing Penn State/Ohio State week was the #2 choice by ABC and FOX went with ND/Wisc week or Ore/OSU week #3.

what's amazing is the game that could easily wind up being #2 game of the year- Michigan St/Ohio St next weekend- might have been like the 6th selection.
1- Ohio St/Michigan
2- Penn St/Michigan
3- Notre Dame/Wisconsin
4- Penn St/Ohio St
5- Oregon/Ohio St
6- Ohio St/Michigan St
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My last Saturday predictions of the season!

Friday:

CBS:
Boise State at San Diego State, noon (Confirmed)
Missouri vs. Arkansas at Little Rock, 3:30pm (Confirmed)

FOX:
Kansas State at Texas, noon (Confirmed) - Ugh!!!
Colorado at Utah, 4pm (Confirmed)

ABC:
No noon window listed
Cincinnati at East Carolina, 3:30pm

Iowa at Nebraska is confirmed for BTN at 1:30pm

Saturday:

CBS:
Duh! Alabama at Auburn, 3:30pm (And if I'm wrong on this game, I won't make Saturday predictions until the 2022 season!)

FOX:
Ohio State at Michigan, Big Nooner (Already chosen)
Notre Dame at Stanford, 4pm (It's still Notre Dame)
Oregon State at Oregon, 8pm

ABC:
Georgia at Georgia Tech, noon (Yeah Georgia Tech sucks but it's still the #1 team in the country and ABC hasn't had them all year and ABC is going to get killed anyway in the ratings)
Penn State at Michigan State, 3:30pm (Wisconsin-Minnesota could also be in this slot)
Oklahoma at Oklahoma State, 7:30pm

ESPN:
Texas Tech at Baylor, noon
Wisconsin at Minnesota, 3:30pm
Texas A&M at LSU, 7:30pm (maybe Florida State at Florida instead)
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Week 12 In:
UCLA at USC on FOX 4:00 EST
Oregon at Utah ABC 7:30 EST
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MAC is in-
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ACC:
UNC/NC St Fri 7pm ESPN
Miami/Duke Sat 1230 RSN

6 day holds:
Wake Forest at Boston College
Kentucky at Louisville
Pitt at Syracuse
Virginia Tech at Virginia
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Pac-12 Week 13
Colorado at Utah, FOX 1:00 PM PST (Friday)
Washington State at Washington, FS1 5:00 PM PST (Friday)
Arizona at Arizona State, Pac-12 Network 1:00 PM PST
BYU at USC, ESPN 7:30 PST
California at UCLA, FS1 7:30 PM PST

Notre Dame at Stanford and Oregon State at Oregon on six-day holds and will be either 12:30 or 5:00 PM PST.
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Thank you stever20 and SoCalBobcat78 for the updates!

OTA Games By Conference Package (Home Games): Games Up To 11/27 Only

Big 10: 29 (FOX 15, ABC 14)
Big 12: 21 (FOX 12, ABC 9)
SEC: 14 (All CBS)
Pac 12: 14 (FOX 10, ABC 4)
ACC: 8 (All ABC)
Notre Dame: 6 (All NBC)
AAC: 5 (ABC 4, CBS 1-Navy)
MWC: 3 (CBS)
BYU: 1 (ABC)

FOX: Big Ten 15, Big 12 12, Pac 12 10
ABC: Big Ten 14, Big 12 9, ACC 8, AAC 4, Pac 12 4, BYU 1 (One ABC game will be either Big 10 or Pac 12)

The Big 10 had as many games on ABC as the SEC had on CBS and one more game on FOX.

Here's the 2019 numbers:

Big Ten: 33 (FOX: 17, ABC: 16)
Pac 12: 16 (FOX: 10, ABC: 6)
Big 12: 16 (FOX: 9, ABC: 7)
SEC: 15 (All CBS)
ACC: 11 (All ABC)
AAC: 3 (All ABC)

FOX: Big 10: 17, Pac 12: 10, Big 12: 9
ABC: Big 10: 16, ACC: 11, Big 12: 7, Pac 12: 6, AAC: 3

There seemed to be a lot more interest in the Big 12 this year compared to 2019 although I'm not sure if the ratings reflected it. The Big 10 actually lost a few TV games from 2019 as did the ACC.
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for the makeup game from last weekend-


this is PT so 11pm et.
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Final Season Count:

Big 10: 30 (FOX 15, ABC 15)
Big 12: 21 (FOX 12, ABC 9)
SEC: 14 (All CBS)
Pac 12: 14 (FOX 10, ABC 4)
ACC: 8 (All ABC)
Notre Dame: 6 (All NBC)
AAC: 5 (ABC 4, CBS 1-Navy)
MWC: 3 (CBS)
BYU: 1 (ABC)

FOX: Big Ten 15, Big 12 12, Pac 12 10
ABC: Big Ten 15, Big 12 9, ACC 8, AAC 4, Pac 12 4, BYU 1

Stats from Matt Sarznyiak:

https://twitter.com/mattsarz/status/1462251975257509892

Of the 8 ACC games on ABC, only one (Georgia Tech-Clemson) was an official conference game and only two (Wake Forest-North Carolina the other) had two ACC teams.

https://mattsarzsports.com/Contract/Game...ZpKS07MKM8

Unofficial early count but I believe Notre Dame and Oklahoma will have 10 OTA games this year. Michigan and Ohio State will have nine each while Penn State will have eight. SEC teams are limited to five CBS games but can get non conference games on ABC/FOX and I remember Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, Florida, LSU and Texas A&M all doing so at least once. Having six OTA games vs. even 8 for Big Ten teams has to be a bit of a disadvantage so the SEC probably can't wait until they are allowed to be on ABC.

Maybe the SEC, CBS, and ABC can strike some deals to allow SEC schools to air on ABC before the end of the current CBS and ESPN contracts. CBS allows ABC to air two (or a set number) of SEC games on SNF and gives them the first pick of games that week while CBS would retain the second pick those weeks and they will air in the usual SEC on CBS slot. Then two other weeks, CBS gets an additional prime time game and gets the first two picks those weeks (ESPN then can't air the SEC in prime time or 3:30pm those weeks). In the end, the SEC gets five prime time appearances on network TV (three on CBS, two on ABC) as opposed to one now. ESPN trades away two SEC on ESPN games for two SEC on ABC games. CBS gets two extra games (they can give back the noon doubleheader game that no one watches to compensate). The big winners are the SEC, especially the big names. Even if CBS is willing to give ABC one SNF game in exchange for an additional prime time game, that's still two extra SEC network prime time games.
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My game count from the Big Ten board: https://csnbbs.com/thread-922783-post-17...id17876857

Counting Big Ten package games only
Ohio State: 9 (5 FOX, 4 ABC)
Michigan: 9 (5 FOX, 4 ABC)
Penn State: 8 (6 ABC, 2 FOX)

Wisconsin: 5 (4 FOX, 1 ABC)

Michigan State: 4 (2 ABC, 2 FOX - plus 1 ABC game as part of the ACC package)
Nebraska: 4 (2 FOX, 2 ABC - plus 1 FOX game as part of the Big 12 package)

Purdue: 3 (All ABC. In fact, all three were 3:30pm ET games)

Indiana: 3 (2 ABC, 1 FOX. All three were vs. the Big Three and all three were 7:30pm games)

Iowa, Minnesota, Maryland, and Illinois got 2 conference games on ABC/FOX (Iowa also played at Iowa State on ABC). The two duds were Northwestern and Rutgers who only were on once each.

ACC: https://csnbbs.com/thread-929989.html

Clemson, Miami, and Georgia Tech appeared twice, Virginia, North Carolina, Wake Forest, and Florida State once each.

Ohio State and Michigan will each have played four times as FOX's Big Nooner. Wisconsin will have played three times. In total, nine Big Nooners were "hosted" by a Big Ten team, counting Notre Dame at Wisconsin. Nebraska played a Big Nooner at Oklahoma although for TV rights that counts as a Big 12 game vs. four Big Nooners for the Big 12 (counting Nebraska/Oklahoma). The Pac-12 didn't host a Big Nooner in 2021 (Oregon played in one). I'm not sure if the Pac-12 is insulted or thankful about that. In 2020, the Pac-12 hosted two Big Nooners (Arizona State at USC Nov. 7 and Utah at Colorado Dec. 12). Oklahoma played in three of the four Big Nooners the Big 12 hosted (Oklahoma State-Texas was the other).

Meanwhile, a Big Ten team was involved in ABC's SNF game six times in 13 weeks (Penn State three times, Ohio State and Michigan two each, one game was PSU-OSU). The Big 12 hosted the SNF three times (all three of them involved Oklahoma), the ACC and Pac-12 two each (both Pac-12 games featured Oregon).
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SEC on CBS:

Alabama: 5 (Florida, Mississippi, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Auburn)
Auburn: 4 (Georgia, Arkansas, Texas A&M, Alabama)
Georgia: 4 (Auburn, Kentucky, Florida, Tennessee)
Arkansas: 4 (Texas A&M, Auburn, Alabama, Missouri)
Texas A&M: 3 (Arkansas, Alabama, Auburn)
Florida: 2 (Alabama, Georgia)
Mississippi: 2 (Alabama, LSU)
Kentucky: 1 (Georgia)
LSU: 1 (Mississippi)
Missouri: 1 (Arkansas)
Tennessee: 1 (Georgia)
Mississippi State: 0
South Carolina: 0
Vanderbilt: 0

CBS/ESPN:
Alabama: 8
Auburn: 8
Georgia: 7
Mississippi: 7
Arkansas: 7
Florida: 6
LSU: 6
Texas A&M: 5
Mississippi State: 4
Tennessee: 4
Kentucky: 2
South Carolina: 2
Missouri: 2
Vanderbilt: ZERO (They played Georgia and Florida on SECN)

All eight of Alabama's and all eight of Auburn's SEC games appeared on either CBS or ESPN. Georgia played Vanderbilt on SECN.

Non Conference games on ABC/FOX/ESPN:
Alabama/Miami
Georgia/Clemson
LSU at UCLA
Texas A&M at Colorado
Florida at South Florida
Auburn at Penn State
May be one or more I missed
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Pac 12 package games:

Oregon appeared five times with four of them on ABC.
USC appeared four times with all of them on FOX.
UCLA appeared four times with three of them on FOX (only Oregon was on ABC).

Colorado (???), Stanford, and Utah made three appearances. Washington made two, Washington State one. Oregon State and both Arizona schools were shut out of ABC/FOX. UCLA, Colorado, and Stanford hosted non conference games.

Big 12 Package Games on ABC/FOX:
Oklahoma: 9 (5 ABC, 4 FOX) - The only Big 12 game not on ABC or FOX was Kansas (ESPN). Oklahoma played Nebraska on FOX as well.
Texas: 7 (4 ABC, 3 FOX) - One FOX game was Louisiana
Oklahoma State: 5
Iowa State: 4 - One game was Iowa
Baylor: 4
TCU: 4
Texas Tech: 3
Kansas State: 2
West Virginia: 1
Kansas: 0

15 of the 21 Big 12 package games featured Oklahoma or Texas (one of them was OU/UT).
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(11-21-2021 08:30 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Final Season Count:

Big 10: 30 (FOX 15, ABC 15)
Big 12: 21 (FOX 12, ABC 9)
SEC: 14 (All CBS)
Pac 12: 14 (FOX 10, ABC 4)
ACC: 8 (All ABC)
Notre Dame: 6 (All NBC)
AAC: 5 (ABC 4, CBS 1-Navy)
MWC: 3 (CBS)
BYU: 1 (ABC)

FOX: Big Ten 15, Big 12 12, Pac 12 10
ABC: Big Ten 15, Big 12 9, ACC 8, AAC 4, Pac 12 4, BYU 1

Stats from Matt Sarznyiak:

https://twitter.com/mattsarz/status/1462251975257509892

Of the 8 ACC games on ABC, only one (Georgia Tech-Clemson) was an official conference game and only two (Wake Forest-North Carolina the other) had two ACC teams.

https://mattsarzsports.com/Contract/Game...ZpKS07MKM8

Unofficial early count but I believe Notre Dame and Oklahoma will have 10 OTA games this year. Michigan and Ohio State will have nine each while Penn State will have eight. SEC teams are limited to five CBS games but can get non conference games on ABC/FOX and I remember Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, Florida, LSU and Texas A&M all doing so at least once. Having six OTA games vs. even 8 for Big Ten teams has to be a bit of a disadvantage so the SEC probably can't wait until they are allowed to be on ABC.

Maybe the SEC, CBS, and ABC can strike some deals to allow SEC schools to air on ABC before the end of the current CBS and ESPN contracts. CBS allows ABC to air two (or a set number) of SEC games on SNF and gives them the first pick of games that week while CBS would retain the second pick those weeks and they will air in the usual SEC on CBS slot. Then two other weeks, CBS gets an additional prime time game and gets the first two picks those weeks (ESPN then can't air the SEC in prime time or 3:30pm those weeks). In the end, the SEC gets five prime time appearances on network TV (three on CBS, two on ABC) as opposed to one now. ESPN trades away two SEC on ESPN games for two SEC on ABC games. CBS gets two extra games (they can give back the noon doubleheader game that no one watches to compensate). The big winners are the SEC, especially the big names. Even if CBS is willing to give ABC one SNF game in exchange for an additional prime time game, that's still two extra SEC network prime time games.

Its worth noting that of the 21 FOX/ABC OTA nationally televised Big12 games, only 6 did not include either Texas or Oklahoma (not including the CCG). Additionally, of the 4 ABC OTA games in the AAC (not including the CCG)---2 involved teams moving to the Big12. BYU also had an ABC game this year (vs Boise). Thus, over the course of the regular 12 game season, the "new Big12" had 9 ABC/FOX OTA quality games in 2021 (along with numerous ESPN level games). Add to that arguably the best basketball league in FBS---and I suspect the Big12 can expect solid interest from the networks when it comes up for renewal. The idea that the Big12 is not a viable option to take over the CBS 2:30 Saturday slot is simply incorrect. I'd agree that the Big12 is likely not the CBS #1 option----but I suspect its the only option CBS would actually have a chance to win the bidding for. CBS is simply too frugal to win the Big10 or Pac12.

Frankly, I think the idea of a CBS-ESPN split makes a lot of sense for both ESPN and CBS. CBS gets a 16 game package where they get the number one pick each week----ESPN gets everything else spread out over ABC/ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU/ESPN+. ESPN now has a 16 team SEC, a 14 team AAC, and a 14 team Sunbelt. They have more total inventory on 2023 than they do today. ESPN currently splits a 10 team Big12 with FOX. Under the CBS/ESPN split I propose, ESPN would end up with substantially more Big12 inventory than they have today. If the 5+1+6 playoff goes through---those Big12 conference race broadcasts will aways be meaningful games.
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