I think its time to focus on the AAC realignment.

Big12 wont make another move till they get closer to the tv deal negotiation.

Right now, everything is tied up with lawyers trying to figure out exit fees and timelines. The Big12 is stable. Need to settle when Texas and OU can leave and for how much. Need to settle when UCF/UC/UH can enter and how much the AAC exit costs. The Big12 priority is not expansion. I think everyone wants to avoid the lame duck season. Big12 doesn't want to lose out on any Texas/OU money.

The programs on the bubble have room to grow. Take notes from the experience. Build facilities if you need to. String together some winning seasons in the Top25. Most importantly come with good tv ratings and streaming numbers.

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(09-16-2021 11:00 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I think its time to focus on the AAC realignment.

Big12 wont make another move till they get closer to the tv deal negotiation.

Right now, everything is tied up with lawyers trying to figure out exit fees and timelines. The Big12 is stable. Need to settle when Texas and OU can leave and for how much. Need to settle when UCF/UC/UH can enter and how much the AAC exit costs. The Big12 priority is not expansion. I think everyone wants to avoid the lame duck season. Big12 doesn't want to lose out on any Texas/OU money.

The programs on the bubble have room to grow. Take notes from the experience. Build facilities if you need to. String together some winning seasons in the Top25. Most importantly come with good tv ratings and streaming numbers.

I agree.

(09-13-2021 03:37 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 10:00 PM)vcoog Wrote:  The big 12 could add 8 teams and USF still wouldn’t be 1.

UCF got in because they’re good and your school isn’t.

Play on New Year’s Day, get a college game day to come to your campus. Ya know, maybe have your administration show they care that they have a team out there. Cause they sure as hell don’t now.

Who’s even the coach at USF now

Listen, I like Houston but yall have had about 1 good season in the AAC so dont act like your **** dont stink.
4 Bowl losses in a row isnt exactly killing it and in the past decade you've ended the season ranked twice (since 2011)

USF lost a tiebreaker to Temple in 2016 for the Eastern championship. Just like Houston, in the past decade we too have finished the season ranked in the top 25 twice. Our two records are not massively different since being in the AAC.

Last I checked there are two G5 schools that have ever pulled above a 4 on tv ratings and it aint Houston.
USF vs UCF has value and has been one of the highest rated games the AAC has each year.
And if we want to discuss academics.... well lets not, cause you wont win that one either.

I like Houston, but yall haven't set the world on fire, so the arrogance is a bit much. Congrats on you moving to the Big 12 and I hope you do well.

and btw, if the Big 12 does add teams and one of them isnt USF, well that would be news to us because that isnt what they have said to us, nor our donors. Time will tell, but we are on a VERY short list.

Why the constant put downs of other programs? This is why USF can’t have anything nice…like the Big XII invitation Houston has.

Every media outlet says The next two being mentioned are Boise St. And Memphis, USF isn’t even in the next four being considered….no one buys that you actually have someone in the know and are more connected than the national media Dodds and McMurphys. There is no back room, wink wink you’re next invitation.

(09-17-2021 04:04 PM)90Knight Wrote:  

(09-13-2021 03:37 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 10:00 PM)vcoog Wrote:  The big 12 could add 8 teams and USF still wouldn’t be 1.

UCF got in because they’re good and your school isn’t.

Play on New Year’s Day, get a college game day to come to your campus. Ya know, maybe have your administration show they care that they have a team out there. Cause they sure as hell don’t now.

Who’s even the coach at USF now

Listen, I like Houston but yall have had about 1 good season in the AAC so dont act like your **** dont stink.
4 Bowl losses in a row isnt exactly killing it and in the past decade you've ended the season ranked twice (since 2011)

USF lost a tiebreaker to Temple in 2016 for the Eastern championship. Just like Houston, in the past decade we too have finished the season ranked in the top 25 twice. Our two records are not massively different since being in the AAC.

Last I checked there are two G5 schools that have ever pulled above a 4 on tv ratings and it aint Houston.
USF vs UCF has value and has been one of the highest rated games the AAC has each year.
And if we want to discuss academics.... well lets not, cause you wont win that one either.

I like Houston, but yall haven't set the world on fire, so the arrogance is a bit much. Congrats on you moving to the Big 12 and I hope you do well.

and btw, if the Big 12 does add teams and one of them isnt USF, well that would be news to us because that isnt what they have said to us, nor our donors. Time will tell, but we are on a VERY short list.

Why the constant put downs of other programs? This is why USF can’t have anything nice…like the Big XII invitation Houston has.

Every media outlet says The next two being mentioned are Boise St. And Memphis, USF isn’t even in the next four being considered….no one buys that you actually have someone in the know and are more connected than the national media Dodds and McMurphys. There is no back room, wink wink you’re next invitation.

The only list that has been tied to actual officials does list USF. Boise, Memphis, SMU and USF are the other 4 schools that were seriously considered.

Add all 130 FBS teams. Become the Big Bloat Conference. Profit.

"And thanks to that 2016 process, the Big 12 has a working list.

The Big 12 ended up with 12 finalists for expansion in 2016: Air Force, Brigham Young, Central Florida, Cincinnati, Colorado State, Connecticut, Houston, Rice, South Florida, Southern Methodist, Temple and Tulane. "

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/2...647450001/

It would be great if SMU was added. There would immediately be rivalries.
It has a great location. It's a wealthy school. It has high academics.

(09-18-2021 06:42 AM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  "And thanks to that 2016 process, the Big 12 has a working list.

The Big 12 ended up with 12 finalists for expansion in 2016: Air Force, Brigham Young, Central Florida, Cincinnati, Colorado State, Connecticut, Houston, Rice, South Florida, Southern Methodist, Temple and Tulane. "

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/2...647450001/

It would be great if SMU was added. There would immediately be rivalries.
It has a great location. It's a wealthy school. It has high academics.

Redundancy is the name of the game and SMU is a redundant program. I wish them well, but they would add no value to a conference with TCU and TTU already in it. It would be like adding Rice.

(09-16-2021 01:40 AM)namssa Wrote:  https://twitter.com/GSwaim/status/1437909416368615425

Greg Swaim stating that Big 12 going to 16.

Candidates for those 4 spots are:
Memphis
Boise State
SDSU
UNLV
USF
Tulane
SMU
Colorado State
UAB

My bet is top 4 on that list.

If the Big 12 adds 4 it probably means it was recently gutted or confirmed about to be gutted.

In such a scenario, I think you take these 4 and it's not particularly close:

Boise State
Memphis
USF
Colorado State

Depending on who is leaving you might consider SMU or maybe even Tulane but that's a long shot.

(09-18-2021 07:39 AM)ElectricCoogaloo Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 01:40 AM)namssa Wrote:  https://twitter.com/GSwaim/status/1437909416368615425

Greg Swaim stating that Big 12 going to 16.

Candidates for those 4 spots are:
Memphis
Boise State
SDSU
UNLV
USF
Tulane
SMU
Colorado State
UAB

My bet is top 4 on that list.

If the Big 12 adds 4 it probably means it was recently gutted or confirmed about to be gutted.

In such a scenario, I think you take these 4 and it's not particularly close:

Boise State
Memphis
USF
Colorado State

Depending on who is leaving you might consider SMU or maybe even Tulane but that's a long shot.

Yep, you nailed it. I think it's a lock that the Big 12 adds two more quickly after Texas and OU leave the Big XII. The real question is out of those 4, which 2 get the call. All four have serious issues that need to be addressed. Whoever gets **** done in the next 5 years gets the call.

Boise: Football stadium is a dump they have plans to rectify this. Can they show progress here? Poor academics but bring the most eyeballs.

Memphis: The ultimate "City State U." Plays football and basketball off campus in rented facilities. Their president recently brought up an OCS. Poor academics but they are close to making R1.

Colorado State: Hits all the buttons on the academic side and fits with other land grants. Beautiful new Football stadium but brings poor athletics and suspect market share.

USF: Good institutional fit and great potential. Great travel partner for UCF. Mediocre athletics and plays football games 20 miles off campus. New major push for an OCS.

(09-18-2021 09:33 AM)Shox Wrote:  

(09-18-2021 07:39 AM)ElectricCoogaloo Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 01:40 AM)namssa Wrote:  https://twitter.com/GSwaim/status/1437909416368615425

Greg Swaim stating that Big 12 going to 16.

Candidates for those 4 spots are:
Memphis
Boise State
SDSU
UNLV
USF
Tulane
SMU
Colorado State
UAB

My bet is top 4 on that list.

If the Big 12 adds 4 it probably means it was recently gutted or confirmed about to be gutted.

In such a scenario, I think you take these 4 and it's not particularly close:

Boise State
Memphis
USF
Colorado State

Depending on who is leaving you might consider SMU or maybe even Tulane but that's a long shot.

Yep, you nailed it. I think it's a lock that the Big 12 adds two more quickly after Texas and OU leave the Big XII. The real question is out of those 4, which 2 get the call. All four have serious issues that need to be addressed. Whoever gets **** done in the next 5 years gets the call.

Boise: Football stadium is a dump they have plans to rectify this. Can they show progress here? Poor academics but bring the most eyeballs.

Memphis: The ultimate "City State U." Plays football and basketball off campus in rented facilities. Their president recently brought up an OCS. Poor academics but they are close to making R1.

Colorado State: Hits all the buttons on the academic side and fits with other land grants. Beautiful new Football stadium but brings poor athletics and suspect market share.

USF: Good institutional fit and great potential. Great travel partner for USF. Mediocre athletics and plays football games 20 miles off campus. New major push for an OCS.

I don't expect the Big 12 to go to 14 or 16.

If there are 2 defections, I'd hope our first invites would go to USF and Memphis.

I have no desire to expand further west unless we're basically having to blow up the entire conference.

I don't know if it's smoke or real, but lot of chatter out of USF about getting OCS done, hopefully by 2025. Remains to be seen if can afford something nice, or just something that could be expanded later.

Honestly, UCF passing us may have been the best damn thing that could have happened to USF. MAY have lit a fire under the folks running our program. MAY have...


Scott needs to put something together this season. God I hope he is not Holtz/Strong part III.

365 sic em. Is outright saying that the big12 is definitely expanding and the only issue is will it be 2 or 4 teams. Fingers ? crossed.

(09-18-2021 07:31 AM)ElectricCoogaloo Wrote:  

(09-18-2021 06:42 AM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  "And thanks to that 2016 process, the Big 12 has a working list.

The Big 12 ended up with 12 finalists for expansion in 2016: Air Force, Brigham Young, Central Florida, Cincinnati, Colorado State, Connecticut, Houston, Rice, South Florida, Southern Methodist, Temple and Tulane. "

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/2...647450001/

It would be great if SMU was added. There would immediately be rivalries.
It has a great location. It's a wealthy school. It has high academics.

Redundancy is the name of the game and SMU is a redundant program. I wish them well, but they would add no value to a conference with TCU and TTU already in it. It would be like adding Rice.

Hum. UCLA/USC, Stanford/Cal, UNC/Duke/NCST and don’t say SMU/TCU is none of those because “redundancy” can make both better.

(09-18-2021 01:59 PM)Bull Wrote:  I don't know if it's smoke or real, but lot of chatter out of USF about getting OCS done, hopefully by 2025. Remains to be seen if can afford something nice, or just something that could be expanded later.

Honestly, UCF passing us may have been the best damn thing that could have happened to USF. MAY have lit a fire under the folks running our program. MAY have...


Scott needs to put something together this season. God I hope he is not Holtz/Strong part III.

USF is better than people realize. I know it sounds dumb to say that, but I believe it's true. Why? Because in every level of football, every bad team is one quarterback from making a giant leap. Every one. And I personally believe McClain is that one. I know it remains to be seen, though. Secondly, USF played the toughest non-conf. schedule in the AAC (NC State, Florida, and BYU). Pretty much every single AAC team, with the possible exception of Cincinnati, would be 1-3 after playing that schedule. So our record does not and will not relay the actual progress being made. Sorry, no one in the AAC is beating Florida. Very few are beating NC State or BYU. They just aren't, I don't care if it's UCF, Houston, Memphis, whoever, they have trouble with that schedule.

So I think in conference, you will see tremendous progress out of USF. That's what I personally believe.

(09-18-2021 01:59 PM)Bull Wrote:  Honestly, UCF passing us may have been the best damn thing that could have happened to USF. MAY have lit a fire under the folks running our program. MAY have...

What years was Lee Roy Selmon in y’all’s Athletic Dept? And did he get a lot done while he was there?

Sources Close to the Big 12 considering 4 schools


Sources close to Big 12 say they are considering adds from the following 4 schools:
Memphis
Boise
Tulane
SMU




distant crazy rumor of USM

(09-23-2021 12:11 PM)Greenwavedrownsacat Wrote:  https://mobile.twitter.com/FearTheWaveBl...r%5Eauthor

Sources have Big 12 looking at 4 potential schools

Per Sources @ Baylor - Big 12 is considering adds of:

Memphis
Boise
Tulane
SMU

The Big 12 doesn’t benefit from that. At all.

Felt like Sic'em 365 was reacting more than news breaking during this whole process. Now, on this Memphis and Boise State thing they are really pushing that they have the inside scoop.

I think the Big 12 waits to see what happens with the next round of contract negotiations before adding any more teams. Zero chance they add Tulane as one of those schools.

(09-23-2021 12:11 PM)Greenwavedrownsacat Wrote:  Sources Close to the Big 12 considering 4 schools


Sources close to Big 12 say they are considering adds from the following 4 schools:
Memphis
Boise
Tulane
SMU




distant crazy rumor of USM

Quote:After initially reporting that Tulane and Southern Miss were potential targets for Big 12 expansion, sources have clarified that neither university is under consideration for joining the league. Southern Miss was one of dozens of other programs to make contact with the league.

lol

The world's shortest expansion rumor. Southern Miss was a candidate for less than 24 hours. Ten bucks, someone confused Southern Methodist for Southern Miss because of the abbreviation. They accidently said USM and meant to say SMU.