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(03-16-2022 03:17 PM)JonP Wrote:  Really, I am amazed Cam stuck around for 4 years. I thought after his rookie of the year win, he would follow in Damion Lee's footsteps and transfer to a high major program.

I admit, I am mostly confounded by who is still eligible and for how long. (Like, why didn't Coletrane Washington redshirt last year?) But Drexel also benefits from these rule changes. Melik Martin was a really solid addition this year, and I see no reason why Drexel couldn't pick up some contributors this off season. Look at that showboat kid Bryant got from Rutgers. He basically carried them into the NCAAs.

I believe Melik Martin is the only one whose eligibility is used up. Last year didn't count as a year of eligibility for anyone - so redshirting wasn't really an issue for Coletrane. He would still have a year of eligibility either way. Butler has been in school for six years already, I think it is not that surprising that he wouldn't return. Juric has plans for medical school so again not too surprising if he doesn't return.
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Not surprising in the least, but Cam is getting a lot of interest.
03-18-2022 08:53 AM
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i'm going to leave a review of the women's game tonight up to jb. he was there and should be pretty damn excited about it. i was from the couch.

i do want to point out before i go to bed that this was the keishana washington game. sort of like that 5 ot game against northeastern was the marginean game. washington put our team on her back in the 4th quarter to win a wnit game for us. other players stepped up...but we don't win without that clutch play down the stretch.

it was more impressive...and a relief...that she did it by going to the rim. she changed her game away from just settling for jump shots. you don't see that enough.

i bring this up because there was never a cam game. he had a great career for us. scored a lot of points. won a lot of individual awards. but he never put us on his back to will us to a win. that's why i'm looking forward to the next chapter.
03-21-2022 08:20 PM
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This new joke of a rule has basically just turned mid-major basketball into a minor league system for the power conferences. It's disappointing, but it's the unfortunate reality of the destruction of college athletics. But as easy as it is for a player to leave, it should be just as easy to find replacements.

Games will no longer be won on the court and by the best recruiters. The games will be won by schools that have the most greedy boosters who own local restaurants and businesses who can pay players to be "spokespersons" for their businesses. This will clearly hurt schools like Drexel.
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The portal recruiting will be just as important in team building than standard recruiting. As fans and supporters, days of 4 year players are about gone. Because if a player is talented enough they will move up and if they dont play enough they will transfer down. We should have a dedicated recruiter to the portal.
03-23-2022 09:25 AM
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That said, Disappointed Bell is leaving. He seemingly was set up for a big role next year. I feel he is too out of control currently to be successful at a power conference. My guess is he will end up in the A10
03-23-2022 09:26 AM
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Another thing issue is that these rules may hurt a coach like Spiker who recruits nationally instead of focusing on the general area. Using Delaware as an example, a guy like Carr, who is from West Chester, might be more likely to stick around, because he might like that his family and friends can attend all of his games. Sure, he could transfer to LaSalle or Villanova or Lehigh, but might like being local. Drexel, getting a guy like Bell from Kansas, chances are Bell could care less where he plays. Now, he may want to go home to Kansas, but he could also end up anywhere in the country.
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bell's transfer is more unsettling than the others for me. he was uneven and downright sloppy at times...but i felt like he had a chance to be really good for us. i was ready for his chapter in our program. unfortunately we won't get to see it.

something was going on down at elon. it looked like he had been crying when he came out for the 2nd half. he had one of his first halves where he drove into the lane and didn't seem to know what to do most of the time. so nothing out of the ordinary. he was a bit better in the 2nd half.

definitely a tough spot for spiker where we all want him to bring the hammer down a bit more...yet he risks kids leaving if they don't like what they hear. are other programs seeing this kind of movement? i would expect davis to leave delaware if he keeps it up. honestly amari was the guy i was most worried about and i wonder if we're not done with transfers. oden hardly played and may be a disgruntled. it's a tough way to live not knowing where these kids are mentally...and i'm not sure all the blame can go on spiker to keep it together.
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The average last year I think was 2.5 kids went to the portal per team. So its very common. We were one of the last CAA teams to have an entrant. There will be more to follow. Recruiting is now just as much about the portal as it is incoming freshmen. We need to change expectations of thinking we will see more than 2 years from any player. It just isnt reality any more. It does make it tougher to develop (and keep) and keep fan interest with revolving rosters. Tough to build a team when the team is never the same from year to year. But we need to adapt to this normal or be left behind. I am not a fan of coddling the athletes just to keep them. Coach them how they need coached, if they think the grass is greener, they will jump regardless, so no need to cater to that style.
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As of this moment, there are 684 transfers for 2022. So, no, Drexel is not out of the norm.

Scanning through the list for CAA schools, I see:
Charleston - 4
Delaware - 0
Drexel - 3 (includes the mysterious Chuka Mekkam)
Elon - 4
Hofstra - 4
JMU - 5
Northeastern - 5
Towson - 1
W&M - 2
UNCW - 1

Some other schools out there are losing even more. Alabama State (11!) and Green Bay (8) jumped out at me. Hell, 7 La Salle players are out.

Anyway, point being, Drexel is losing out on a solid player in Bell, no doubt. But we could also find solid replacements out there. It sucks. I hate it. But it's how things are now.

We've had some decent transfers over the years -- Butler, Isabell.
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Sounds like Bell has heard from quite a few schools already. Not an inspiring list. Looks like only Clemson and Wichita State are above us. Maybe Northern Colorado too. If it was a move closer to home it appears the list is solid (Wichita, Missouri State, Illinois State, UIC, SIU)

If UNCW is a real player, then that would be a real low blow to us and shows we really did something to piss him off.
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Drexel has an amazing location for players to obtain sponsorships. Transfers are the result of a university culture that's not adapting, hire Bashir to lead the basketball program. He earned the job.

Does anyone know when the US Squash lease with the Armory expires? Drexel needs the Armory to be a competitive mid-major.
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Fry gave it away so he could be a hall of famer.
https://drexeldragons.com/news/2022/2/24...of%202022.

IIRC, we signed the official lease with the National Guard back in 2008 and it was for 50 years with possibly 2, 20 year extensions...so 90 years total. I've only seen it listed as a long-term sublease, but with them shooting to be an Olympic sport and having pumped $40 million into it, I wouldn't hold my breath on it ever being of any use to students again.
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The Armory would be ideal for basketball, concerts, and graduation. Fry recently also gave away Buckley field, which will soon turn into an office building.
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Really was a dumb move. The Armory decreases in cost by $10 million every decade.
Quote:"Drexel was thinking about converting it into its new basketball arena," Fry said. "But a feasibility study determined they'd have to invest at least $90 million. And that was in 1998 dollars."
https://www.inquirer.com/philly/sports/u...80914.html
Quote:A study was completed in 2009 determining the feasibility and cost of converting the structure to accommodate a 4,000 seat arena. The $80 million pricetag led to an investigation of other options for building a less expensive arena.
https://drexelmasterplan.wordpress.com/2...he-armory/

He also gave away the Intercultural Center for a hotel. Giving away The Armory resulted in buying the Buckley Bubble to make up for the lost rec space, which is now going away for the private lab building which will be made up for by tearing down Myers. Hess Labs is gone for the ACC controlled Summit, its supposed relocation plot is now going to Spark Therapeutics. I've racked my brain trying to think of the last project done on campus that directly benefited the students that didn't have a ground lease to an outside entity attached to it. The Firestone property was rumored to become a Student Union, but nothing has come of that.
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(03-28-2022 02:29 PM)bmf25 Wrote:  hire Bashir to lead the basketball program. He earned the job.

i would love to be saying the same thing...but instead i'm having to ask what he's done to earn the job. he hasn't been to the ncaa tournament. i wouldn't touch the bruiser flint coaching tree with a 10 foot pole.
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(03-29-2022 10:23 AM)hiroshimacarp Wrote:  
(03-28-2022 02:29 PM)bmf25 Wrote:  hire Bashir to lead the basketball program. He earned the job.

i would love to be saying the same thing...but instead i'm having to ask what he's done to earn the job. he hasn't been to the ncaa tournament. i wouldn't touch the bruiser flint coaching tree with a 10 foot pole.

I'd argue Bashir has a better resume than Spiker.

Spiker went 45-65 in the Patriot League, and is now 36-63 in the CAA. Bashir is 111-67 in the NEC. How is someone still coaching with such an abysmal conference record? Hopefully Bashir isn't poached by St Joes or Lasalle
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(03-29-2022 09:18 AM)DrachenFire Wrote:  I've racked my brain trying to think of the last project done on campus that directly benefited the students that didn't have a ground lease to an outside entity attached to it. The Firestone property was rumored to become a Student Union, but nothing has come of that.

The last Drexel projects to benefit the students:

Lebow Business School Building - 2013
Papadakis Science Building - 2011
Drexel Rec Center - 2010
Millenium Hall - 2009
Race Street Hall - 2007
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(03-29-2022 01:25 PM)bmf25 Wrote:  
(03-29-2022 10:23 AM)hiroshimacarp Wrote:  
(03-28-2022 02:29 PM)bmf25 Wrote:  hire Bashir to lead the basketball program. He earned the job.

i would love to be saying the same thing...but instead i'm having to ask what he's done to earn the job. he hasn't been to the ncaa tournament. i wouldn't touch the bruiser flint coaching tree with a 10 foot pole.

I'd argue Bashir has a better resume than Spiker.

Spiker went 45-65 in the Patriot League, and is now 36-63 in the CAA. Bashir is 111-67 in the NEC. How is someone still coaching with such an abysmal conference record? Hopefully Bashir isn't poached by St Joes or Lasalle

this is the second time you went right to bringing spiker into the conversation. i wasn't questioning spiker's credentials...i was questioning bashir mason's credentials...so you're basically changing the subject.

but if you want to make this a comparison between the two...spiker has been to the ncaa tournament. at the drexel program you constantly rip for lack of investment and resources. so you lose that argument too.

i don't know man. you come off as the angry guy who waits until the season ends short of expectations and then comes on here whining about everything. how many games did you go to this year? how much money have you donated to the school or the basketball programs?

you and i agreed on a lot of things over the years. you just don't know when to stop...and to show some support once in a while. that would help people to actually take you seriously.
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