(09-08-2021 01:21 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 01:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  From Sic'em365---

SicEm365 has learned that there is push from active members of the Big 12 that the final addition total should be six programs and that the league should make the additions immediately.

If the decision is made to add six—with BYU, Cincinnati, UCF and Houston slotted in as the first four additions—Memphis and Boise State look to lead the way as its final two additions. With an eventual departure of both Oklahoma and Texas to the SEC, six new programs added to the league would bring the total membership of the league to 14 with presence in three time zones.

oof ... Basketball is gonna be awful ...

Yup. Bad news for basketball. However, the silver lining is that the MW would lose their biggest gun in football.

(09-08-2021 01:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 01:21 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 01:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  From Sic'em365---

SicEm365 has learned that there is push from active members of the Big 12 that the final addition total should be six programs and that the league should make the additions immediately.

If the decision is made to add six—with BYU, Cincinnati, UCF and Houston slotted in as the first four additions—Memphis and Boise State look to lead the way as its final two additions. With an eventual departure of both Oklahoma and Texas to the SEC, six new programs added to the league would bring the total membership of the league to 14 with presence in three time zones.

oof ... Basketball is gonna be awful ...

Yup. Bad news for basketball. However, the silver lining is that the MW would lose their biggest gun in football.

Yea .. only positive is if it drives a AAC/MWC merger. I think that's probably the only way AAC Basketball doesn't slide into mid-major territory at this point.

Why won’t they just add Memphis now if that’s what they want to do? Perhaps there’s more uncertainty around the last addition but if Memphis adds to the tv deal then why not add them to the lineup?

(09-08-2021 01:28 PM)Charlie Broadway Wrote:  Why won’t they just add Memphis now if that’s what they want to do? Perhaps there’s more uncertainty around the last addition but if Memphis adds to the tv deal then why not add them to the lineup?

I would guess expansion past 12 has supporters---but they dont have the necessary votes for any of the other candidates remaining to get an invite (though it sounds like Memphis and Boise must be the closest to having the needed votes right now).

(09-08-2021 01:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  From Sic'em365---

SicEm365 has learned that there is push from active members of the Big 12 that the final addition total should be six programs and that the league should make the additions immediately.

If the decision is made to add six—with BYU, Cincinnati, UCF and Houston slotted in as the first four additions—Memphis and Boise State look to lead the way as its final two additions. With an eventual departure of both Oklahoma and Texas to the SEC, six new programs added to the league would bring the total membership of the league to 14 with presence in three time zones.

Here is the link -

https://sicem365.com/s/10447/the-new-big...-of-four/2

(09-08-2021 01:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 01:28 PM)Charlie Broadway Wrote:  Why won’t they just add Memphis now if that’s what they want to do? Perhaps there’s more uncertainty around the last addition but if Memphis adds to the tv deal then why not add them to the lineup?

I would guess expansion past 12 has supporters---but they dont have the necessary votes for any of the other candidates remaining to get an invite (though it sounds like Memphis and Boise must be the closest to having the needed votes right now).

It's probably not coincidence that Boise and Memphis would be the worst academic additions (by far). I wonder if they've got to get OU and UT out first before they can make that happen. This seems kind of similar to how ECU couldn't get an all sports invite until the C7 left.

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(09-08-2021 01:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 01:28 PM)Charlie Broadway Wrote:  Why won’t they just add Memphis now if that’s what they want to do? Perhaps there’s more uncertainty around the last addition but if Memphis adds to the tv deal then why not add them to the lineup?

I would guess expansion past 12 has supporters---but they dont have the necessary votes for any of the other candidates remaining to get an invite (though it sounds like Memphis and Boise must be the closest to having the needed votes right now).

I read, heard or heck, even maybe dreampt, it has to do with scheduling. I'll see if I can find it. Matt Brown, formally of SBJ, has a good writeup. He was told academics weren't going to be a top criteria this go around...maybe why many outlets are mentioning Memphis and Boise. I just glad they say the Tigers were seriously considered and still in the running.

(09-08-2021 01:56 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 01:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 01:28 PM)Charlie Broadway Wrote:  Why won’t they just add Memphis now if that’s what they want to do? Perhaps there’s more uncertainty around the last addition but if Memphis adds to the tv deal then why not add them to the lineup?

I would guess expansion past 12 has supporters---but they dont have the necessary votes for any of the other candidates remaining to get an invite (though it sounds like Memphis and Boise must be the closest to having the needed votes right now).

It's probably not coincidence that Boise and Memphis would be the worst academic additions (by far). I wonder if they've got to get OU and UT out first before they can make that happen. This seems kind of similar to how ECU couldn't get an all sports invite until the C7 left.

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OU and Texas don't have a vote right? I think they gave that up when they provided notice to leave. So really it comes down to the other 8 and how/when they want to split the pie. Adding them early means splitting additional years of revenue with them.

The final two in will be USF and CSU. USF has already announced plans to build an OCS, which is a requirement. For CSU, it's a new basketball arena, the Rams already have a new OCS.

These schools would also be travel partners for the two new outliers (UCF and BYU, respectively).

(09-08-2021 01:58 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 01:56 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 01:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 01:28 PM)Charlie Broadway Wrote:  Why won’t they just add Memphis now if that’s what they want to do? Perhaps there’s more uncertainty around the last addition but if Memphis adds to the tv deal then why not add them to the lineup?

I would guess expansion past 12 has supporters---but they dont have the necessary votes for any of the other candidates remaining to get an invite (though it sounds like Memphis and Boise must be the closest to having the needed votes right now).

It's probably not coincidence that Boise and Memphis would be the worst academic additions (by far). I wonder if they've got to get OU and UT out first before they can make that happen. This seems kind of similar to how ECU couldn't get an all sports invite until the C7 left.

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OU and Texas don't have a vote right? I think they gave that up when they provided notice to leave. So really it comes down to the other 8 and how/when they want to split the pie. Adding them early means splitting additional years of revenue with them.

idk, that just jumped out at me. I wonder what Wichita is thinking if Memphis leaves.

I wonder if Kansas and Baylor (where the guy who broke this is connected) are two of the schools who want to add past 4? Memphis basketball?

(09-08-2021 02:02 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 01:58 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 01:56 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 01:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 01:28 PM)Charlie Broadway Wrote:  Why won’t they just add Memphis now if that’s what they want to do? Perhaps there’s more uncertainty around the last addition but if Memphis adds to the tv deal then why not add them to the lineup?

I would guess expansion past 12 has supporters---but they dont have the necessary votes for any of the other candidates remaining to get an invite (though it sounds like Memphis and Boise must be the closest to having the needed votes right now).

It's probably not coincidence that Boise and Memphis would be the worst academic additions (by far). I wonder if they've got to get OU and UT out first before they can make that happen. This seems kind of similar to how ECU couldn't get an all sports invite until the C7 left.

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OU and Texas don't have a vote right? I think they gave that up when they provided notice to leave. So really it comes down to the other 8 and how/when they want to split the pie. Adding them early means splitting additional years of revenue with them.

idk, that just jumped out at me. I wonder what Wichita is thinking if Memphis leaves.

If Memphis leaves .. we need to be begging the A10 or Big East. Ask them for an entrance number and make it happen.

Unfortunately you just can just make invites appear. Our AD has publicly stated he's backing the AAC ... so either that's just the PC talk .. or we are screwed.

(09-08-2021 01:56 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 01:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 01:28 PM)Charlie Broadway Wrote:  Why won’t they just add Memphis now if that’s what they want to do? Perhaps there’s more uncertainty around the last addition but if Memphis adds to the tv deal then why not add them to the lineup?

I would guess expansion past 12 has supporters---but they dont have the necessary votes for any of the other candidates remaining to get an invite (though it sounds like Memphis and Boise must be the closest to having the needed votes right now).

It's probably not coincidence that Boise and Memphis would be the worst academic additions (by far). I wonder if they've got to get OU and UT out first before they can make that happen. This seems kind of similar to how ECU couldn't get an all sports invite until the C7 left.

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Could also be infighting between some schools and presidents on the last spot. With President's wanting an academic addition (say Tulane) to pair with Memphis and the other 4, as opposed to Boise.

(09-08-2021 02:09 PM)SirSaint09 Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 01:56 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 01:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 01:28 PM)Charlie Broadway Wrote:  Why won’t they just add Memphis now if that’s what they want to do? Perhaps there’s more uncertainty around the last addition but if Memphis adds to the tv deal then why not add them to the lineup?

I would guess expansion past 12 has supporters---but they dont have the necessary votes for any of the other candidates remaining to get an invite (though it sounds like Memphis and Boise must be the closest to having the needed votes right now).

It's probably not coincidence that Boise and Memphis would be the worst academic additions (by far). I wonder if they've got to get OU and UT out first before they can make that happen. This seems kind of similar to how ECU couldn't get an all sports invite until the C7 left.

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Could also be infighting between some schools and presidents on the last spot. With President's wanting an academic addition (say Tulane) to pair with Memphis and the other 4, as opposed to Boise.

Or USF. Trust me all the IPF and OCS news from USF today were not just for the fans.

If further expansion goes forward, it'll look something like this:
13-14: Memphis and Boise State (I believe Memphis is the next one on deck)

Then
15-16: USF and SMU (possibly Tulane or Colorado State might get a look)

(09-08-2021 01:21 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 01:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  From Sic'em365---

SicEm365 has learned that there is push from active members of the Big 12 that the final addition total should be six programs and that the league should make the additions immediately.

If the decision is made to add six—with BYU, Cincinnati, UCF and Houston slotted in as the first four additions—Memphis and Boise State look to lead the way as its final two additions. With an eventual departure of both Oklahoma and Texas to the SEC, six new programs added to the league would bring the total membership of the league to 14 with presence in three time zones.

oof ... Basketball is gonna be awful ...

Cincinnati and Memphis are excellent in BB, BYU is generally a winning team. However it is true that UCF and Houston are often average and Boise is almost always awful.

(09-08-2021 02:29 PM)Rob3338 Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 01:21 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 01:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  From Sic'em365---

SicEm365 has learned that there is push from active members of the Big 12 that the final addition total should be six programs and that the league should make the additions immediately.

If the decision is made to add six—with BYU, Cincinnati, UCF and Houston slotted in as the first four additions—Memphis and Boise State look to lead the way as its final two additions. With an eventual departure of both Oklahoma and Texas to the SEC, six new programs added to the league would bring the total membership of the league to 14 with presence in three time zones.

oof ... Basketball is gonna be awful ...

Cincinnati and Memphis are excellent in BB, BYU is generally a winning team. However it is true that UCF and Houston are often average and Boise is almost always awful.

Say what? Don’t we have the same amount of Final Fours?

I'd vote for Tulane before Boise. Superb academics, closer to or within the new footprint, an attractive destination for away-games, and they can be pretty good at football when they put their minds to it. Or Colorado State if is BYU joins and needs a bridge. USF and/or Memphis are also preferable to Boise.

I don't think the Big 12 gets to 16 teams. Fourteen teams will be the max. Memphis bridges Cincy and WVU to the rest of the conference. BYU bridges Boise to the rest of the conference.

But if they want additional TV markets it would be hard to ignore Tampa and San Diego. Tampa and San Diego both have metro populations of over 3 million.

(09-08-2021 02:41 PM)colohank Wrote:  I'd vote for Tulane before Boise. Superb academics, closer to or within the new footprint, an attractive destination for away-games, and they can be pretty good at football when they put their minds to it. Or Colorado State if is BYU joins and needs a bridge. USF and/or Memphis are also preferable to Boise.

Tulane also has the surprise bonus home game every few years when weather forces them to play elsewhere.