(09-05-2021 01:30 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-05-2021 01:25 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Man. It seems to me that you guys are panicking way too quickly. Its not like Northern Illinois is some fcs team. It could turn out that Northern Illinois turns out to be a MAC Champion level team.

NIU was a 18 point underdog. Their last win before last night was November 2019. Yes, that means their 2020 campaign was winless. And that's not an outlier at this point. 2019 Citadel. 2020 Syracuse. 2021 NIU.

After reading the Homer Rice piece in the AJC, I'm quite pleased and confident that heads will roll immediately if they lose to Kennesaw and heads will roll at the season end if this is another <=4 win campaign.

Syracuse was not an outlier last year...you played us early in the season before a rash of injuries. We played very competitive games on the road against UNC and Pitt the first two weeks last year (had a chance to win each with a few breaks). In September we were mediocre but not horrible 1-10 like. The train wreck happened after GT.

(09-06-2021 03:05 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(09-05-2021 01:30 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-05-2021 01:25 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Man. It seems to me that you guys are panicking way too quickly. Its not like Northern Illinois is some fcs team. It could turn out that Northern Illinois turns out to be a MAC Champion level team.

NIU was a 18 point underdog. Their last win before last night was November 2019. Yes, that means their 2020 campaign was winless. And that's not an outlier at this point. 2019 Citadel. 2020 Syracuse. 2021 NIU.

After reading the Homer Rice piece in the AJC, I'm quite pleased and confident that heads will roll immediately if they lose to Kennesaw and heads will roll at the season end if this is another <=4 win campaign.

Syracuse was not an outlier last year...you played us early in the season before a rash of injuries. We played very competitive games against UNC and Pitt the first two weeks last year (had a chance to win each with a few breaks). In September we were mediocre but not horrible 1-10 like. The train wreck happened after GT.

We lost by 17 to a team that finished 1-10. This was a historic loss for GT. If you count NIU in that, we have six of those in C******'s 3 years. We have six wins total.

For the record I count the following as a historic loss under this coach:
2019 Citadel. (P5 should never lose to FCS no matter what)
2019 VT (First shutout at home since the 1950s)
2019 UGA (Worst loss in the series for GT, ever)
2020 Syracuse (17 point loss to a team that finished 1-10)
2020 Clemson (Worst ACC loss in the history of the conference)
2021 NIU? (Ask me again next week)

(09-06-2021 04:52 PM)copycat Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 03:05 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(09-05-2021 01:30 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-05-2021 01:25 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Man. It seems to me that you guys are panicking way too quickly. Its not like Northern Illinois is some fcs team. It could turn out that Northern Illinois turns out to be a MAC Champion level team.

NIU was a 18 point underdog. Their last win before last night was November 2019. Yes, that means their 2020 campaign was winless. And that's not an outlier at this point. 2019 Citadel. 2020 Syracuse. 2021 NIU.

After reading the Homer Rice piece in the AJC, I'm quite pleased and confident that heads will roll immediately if they lose to Kennesaw and heads will roll at the season end if this is another <=4 win campaign.

Syracuse was not an outlier last year...you played us early in the season before a rash of injuries. We played very competitive games against UNC and Pitt the first two weeks last year (had a chance to win each with a few breaks). In September we were mediocre but not horrible 1-10 like. The train wreck happened after GT.

We lost by 17 to a team that finished 1-10. This was a historic loss for GT. If you count NIU in that, we have six of those in C******'s 3 years. We have six wins total.

For the record I count the following as a historic loss under this coach:
2019 Citadel. (P5 should never lose to FCS no matter what)
2019 VT (First shutout at home since the 1950s)
2019 UGA (Worst loss in the series for GT, ever)
2020 Syracuse (17 point loss to a team that finished 1-10)
2020 Clemson (Worst ACC loss in the history of the conference)
2021 NIU? (Ask me again next week)

No one considers that a historic loss because you only won 3 games yourself. Anybody (besides GT fans apparently) looking back will just conclude that one bad p5 team beat another bad p5 team. The average fan is not going to look back at 2020 and think that a 3 win GT was overrated because they lost to a 1 win Syracuse. Seriously?

(09-06-2021 07:02 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 04:52 PM)copycat Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 03:05 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(09-05-2021 01:30 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-05-2021 01:25 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Man. It seems to me that you guys are panicking way too quickly. Its not like Northern Illinois is some fcs team. It could turn out that Northern Illinois turns out to be a MAC Champion level team.

NIU was a 18 point underdog. Their last win before last night was November 2019. Yes, that means their 2020 campaign was winless. And that's not an outlier at this point. 2019 Citadel. 2020 Syracuse. 2021 NIU.

After reading the Homer Rice piece in the AJC, I'm quite pleased and confident that heads will roll immediately if they lose to Kennesaw and heads will roll at the season end if this is another <=4 win campaign.

Syracuse was not an outlier last year...you played us early in the season before a rash of injuries. We played very competitive games against UNC and Pitt the first two weeks last year (had a chance to win each with a few breaks). In September we were mediocre but not horrible 1-10 like. The train wreck happened after GT.

We lost by 17 to a team that finished 1-10. This was a historic loss for GT. If you count NIU in that, we have six of those in C******'s 3 years. We have six wins total.

For the record I count the following as a historic loss under this coach:
2019 Citadel. (P5 should never lose to FCS no matter what)
2019 VT (First shutout at home since the 1950s)
2019 UGA (Worst loss in the series for GT, ever)
2020 Syracuse (17 point loss to a team that finished 1-10)
2020 Clemson (Worst ACC loss in the history of the conference)
2021 NIU? (Ask me again next week)

No one considers that a historic loss because you only won 3 games yourself. Anybody (besides GT fans apparently) looking back will just conclude that one bad p5 team beat another bad p5 team. The average fan is not going to look back at 2020 and think that a 3 win GT was overrated because they lost to a 1 win Syracuse. Seriously?

Maybe if it was a close game. It wasn't. Syracuse had the 17 point lead at the end of the first quarter.

(09-06-2021 04:52 PM)copycat Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 03:05 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(09-05-2021 01:30 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-05-2021 01:25 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Man. It seems to me that you guys are panicking way too quickly. Its not like Northern Illinois is some fcs team. It could turn out that Northern Illinois turns out to be a MAC Champion level team.

NIU was a 18 point underdog. Their last win before last night was November 2019. Yes, that means their 2020 campaign was winless. And that's not an outlier at this point. 2019 Citadel. 2020 Syracuse. 2021 NIU.

After reading the Homer Rice piece in the AJC, I'm quite pleased and confident that heads will roll immediately if they lose to Kennesaw and heads will roll at the season end if this is another <=4 win campaign.

Syracuse was not an outlier last year...you played us early in the season before a rash of injuries. We played very competitive games against UNC and Pitt the first two weeks last year (had a chance to win each with a few breaks). In September we were mediocre but not horrible 1-10 like. The train wreck happened after GT.

We lost by 17 to a team that finished 1-10. This was a historic loss for GT. If you count NIU in that, we have six of those in C******'s 3 years. We have six wins total.

For the record I count the following as a historic loss under this coach:
2019 Citadel. (P5 should never lose to FCS no matter what)
2019 VT (First shutout at home since the 1950s)
2019 UGA (Worst loss in the series for GT, ever)
2020 Syracuse (17 point loss to a team that finished 1-10)
2020 Clemson (Worst ACC loss in the history of the conference)
2021 NIU? (Ask me again next week)

The bottomline is that Geoff 'The Clown" Collins" is 6-17. Hasn't beaten a winning team. 14 losses are by double digits. And those by one possession include a loss to The Citadel(FCS), Virginia and to a Northern Illinois team that hadn't won a game since Nov. 26, 2019.

I'll try for GT's most hurtful losses.

1. 1956 loss to TN (Cost National Title) 10-1 Season
2. 1947 loss to Bama 10-1 Season
3. 1951 Tie with Duke 11-0-1 Season
4. 1990 Tie with UNC (Allowed Colorado to take Part of the National Title) 11-0-1 Season
5. 2015 loss to FSU (Cost ACC Title) 11-3 Season
6. 1966 loss to UGA (Cost New Years Bowl) 9-2 Season
7. 1955 loss to Auburn (Cost Title Shot) 9-1-1 Season
8. 1942 loss to UGA (Cost number 1 Ranking) 9-2 Season

I'm always amused when I read the claims by GT fans that the school's academic requirements are a serious barrier to their teams' athletic success, immediately followed by those same fans' impassioned calls for their coaches to be fired for not winning more often.

Joey Weaver: The ACC Football Podcast - Speaks

@FTRSJoey "Based on what I saw on Saturday night, this isn’t working, and it isn’t going to work if this is what 30 months of building has resulted in. I wasn’t expecting the team to be in a place to beat playoff-caliber Clemson or georgia teams, or even to win the division against clearly talented-but-flawed UNC and Miami teams. I was expecting this program to be in a place where they could score an easy win over a completely outmatched opponent and show some progress that would indicate that the players are actually being coached. Well, they’re not. And if that’s the case, then I can pretty well see how the next 1-2 seasons are going to go. It’s over. It’s just a matter of time at this point — we’re in the endgame now."

Link
https://www.fromtherumbleseat.com/georgi...ff-collins

GT was embracing the sponsorship by Waffle House. They were smothered, covered, and scattered. They should do better this week.

(09-07-2021 08:16 PM)ken d Wrote:  I'm always amused when I read the claims by GT fans that the school's academic requirements are a serious barrier to their teams' athletic success, immediately followed by those same fans' impassioned calls for their coaches to be fired for not winning more often.

The only player bounced for academics under Collins I'm aware of is A. Brown. The best WR on the roster, short, fast, capable, reliable. That tends to jive with my recollection of the O'Leary era ... you'd lose 0.5-1 a year on academics, with it being a bipolar distribution between buried bench warmers and some of the better players. O'Leary stayed after them though, and had GA's check on your class. If you missed a class, O'Leary knew it before the class ended. Chan Gailey came in with his whopping 0 years of collegiate experience and no apparent understanding of GT and immediately flunk gate happened where over a dozen major players flunked out in Chan's first year. It was a small miracle Chan kept the bowl streak alive in his first years. As a result The Hill dropped the academic hammer and eliminated all football exceptions from admissions. Now that's a real hindrance. That was removed under Paul Johnson. The quid pro quo Johnson promised to get The Hill to relent was saying he'd graduate every single exception admitted. And he did. So the present status quo is similar to the O'Leary era. Under Chan there was real academic hamstringing.

(09-09-2021 06:39 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  They should do better this week.

They had better. Collins' staff better coach like their jobs depend on it. Because for some of them it does.

(09-07-2021 08:16 PM)ken d Wrote:  I'm always amused when I read the claims by GT fans that the school's academic requirements are a serious barrier to their teams' athletic success, immediately followed by those same fans' impassioned calls for their coaches to be fired for not winning more often.

If Geoff Collins has brought anything positive to the Flats it is that despite the rigorous academics at Georgia Tech you can recruit and attain transfers. The issue with Coach Collins and staff is the lack of "coaching". There has been an uptick in recruiting, thus why so many at Georgia Tech are like WTF...

Year 3, say the team improves and is a competitive 4-8?

Is he toast still this year?

(09-09-2021 03:35 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Year 3, say the team improves and is a competitive 4-8?

Is he toast still this year?

He isn't toast regardless. The same can't be said for all members of staff. Bizarrely the coordinators held it together and explained themselves 1,000x better than Collins did in their pressers, and they would be my preference for first change along with WR coach.

The ACC needs Georgia Tech to have a solid football program.

(09-09-2021 04:28 PM)XLance Wrote:  The ACC needs Georgia Tech to have a solid football program.

Agreed and it's another reason to get out of divisions.

(09-08-2021 08:00 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Joey Weaver: The ACC Football Podcast - Speaks

@FTRSJoey "Based on what I saw on Saturday night, this isn’t working, and it isn’t going to work if this is what 30 months of building has resulted in. I wasn’t expecting the team to be in a place to beat playoff-caliber Clemson or georgia teams, or even to win the division against clearly talented-but-flawed UNC and Miami teams. I was expecting this program to be in a place where they could score an easy win over a completely outmatched opponent and show some progress that would indicate that the players are actually being coached. Well, they’re not. And if that’s the case, then I can pretty well see how the next 1-2 seasons are going to go. It’s over. It’s just a matter of time at this point — we’re in the endgame now."

Link
https://www.fromtherumbleseat.com/georgi...ff-collins

That's a little harsh. I think you're a couple of years from his endgame. With what Paul Johnson left the program, I would have expected any new coach to require 6 years guaranteed so he'd have time to rebuild the program. Yes, some of the losses he's had are awful but you've got to give him time to get a program in place. Swapping out coaches every time you have a bad season only works for Auburn. Most programs need to give coaches time to build unless he's lost the locker room.

Virginia Tech fans were calling for Fuente's job all last season, and now that we were patient 1 more year, we start the season with a top 10 win. It requires an AD with some guts to stand up to a chorus of 'fire the coach' from boosters to really build a program. Geoff Collins may not have been the guy but you have to at least give him a chance.

FWIW: Geoff Collins reminds me of Ron Zook the coach at Florida that replaced "Steve Superior". He was brash, full of hype just like Collins but had more talent and was a better recruiter. His turning point game was losing to Mississippi State in Starkville with the cow bells ringing so loud you could not hear the announcer. He was also a "players coach" to the point of somehow getting involved in an altercation that some of his players had with some fraternity. I am afraid we (Tech Fans & Alumni) have to wait until the end of year 5 before a buyout becomes feasible, short of a CPJ negotiated exit.

(09-09-2021 08:52 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-09-2021 06:39 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  They should do better this week.

They had better. Collins' staff better coach like their jobs depend on it. Because for some of them it does.

I'm going to defer to GTS on this one and say it's the assistant coaches who may get fired first. If that still doesn't work, then you fire the head coach.

(09-10-2021 06:17 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  That's a little harsh. I think you're a couple of years from his endgame. With what Paul Johnson left the program, I would have expected any new coach to require 6 years guaranteed so he'd have time to rebuild the program. Yes, some of the losses he's had are awful but you've got to give him time to get a program in place. Swapping out coaches every time you have a bad season only works for Auburn. Most programs need to give coaches time to build unless he's lost the locker room.

Virginia Tech fans were calling for Fuente's job all last season, and now that we were patient 1 more year, we start the season with a top 10 win. It requires an AD with some guts to stand up to a chorus of 'fire the coach' from boosters to really build a program. Geoff Collins may not have been the guy but you have to at least give him a chance.

If you got a good close up look of the NIU game like I did, it's warranted not harsh. A hapless, winless, depleted NIU squad ran circles around Collins' staff in coaching. Just WTF do you think will happen in two weeks against Clemson if "mighty NIU" had too much coaching power to handle? I still say staff changes happen if he loses this weekend, and that's entirely possible. I've seen Kennesaw favored at one casino. If they finish with another <= 4 win campaign the heat will be turned up to inferno for whoever survives into next year.