Why do so many try to diminish our win against GT? We won the game on the road. Let's leave at that. We were the better team and we won.

(09-26-2021 01:51 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Why do so many try to diminish our win against GT? We won the game on the road. Let's leave at that. We were the better team and we won.

It was a great win. Probably the highlight of the season. It just depends how you evaluate it. As an individual win it was awesome. Tons of fun and excitement we havent had in years. That pelt goes on Hammocks wall no matter what. But as a measure to how far Hammock has improved the team- means nothing.

(09-26-2021 01:59 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 01:51 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Why do so many try to diminish our win against GT? We won the game on the road. Let's leave at that. We were the better team and we won.

It was a great win. Probably the highlight of the season. It just depends how you evaluate it. As an individual win it was awesome. Tons of fun and excitement we havent had in years. That pelt goes on Hammocks wall no matter what. But as a measure to how far Hammock has improved the team- means nothing.

A team that didn't win a single game in 2020 wins their opener at an ACC team who appears not awful and you claim it means nothing?

alright pal

They're 2-2 after going 0-6. They're obviously better

(09-26-2021 12:55 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The two P5 wins we have over .500 or better teams were the FIRST games of the year, not just early in season. The remaining wins come with a combined 28-61 group of P5s. It’s not chicken or egg because there are enough games to show a real trend.
This kind of stuff shouldn’t be surprising or deflating. Most all of the P5 wins are over teams not any better than a good G5 team. The most impressive part is being in a difficult road environment. They’re super fun wins but they are often no measure of the team being really good.

You can't have it both ways. Either you make a big deal out of it being "the FIRST games of the year" or you argue that "there are enough games to show a real trend." Being the second, third or even fourth game of the year is hardly enough to guarantee a trend.
The most impressive part is NOT being in a difficult road environment, it's the gap in budget, facilities, TV revenue, and other resources which have to be overcome. At the time we played them, their records were what they were -- not what they finished. When we beat Alabama the Crimson Tide were ranked, period. Not our fault they may have been over-rated, same with Maryland. All the more credit to the Huskies for exposing that fact.
I'm with epasnoopy: We won the game on the road. We were the better team and we won.
Also agree with 7: A team that didn't win a single in 2020 wins their opener at an ACC team who appears not to be awful and you claim it means nothing? They're 2-2 after going 0-6. They're obviously better.
You said "They're super fun wins but they are often no measure of the team being really good." Take your anti-Hammock sentiment and root for Rod since you probably also don't believe a bowl game record is a measure of anything.
Go Huskies! Let's erase EMU!

(09-26-2021 04:13 PM)7 Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 01:59 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 01:51 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Why do so many try to diminish our win against GT? We won the game on the road. Let's leave at that. We were the better team and we won.

It was a great win. Probably the highlight of the season. It just depends how you evaluate it. As an individual win it was awesome. Tons of fun and excitement we havent had in years. That pelt goes on Hammocks wall no matter what. But as a measure to how far Hammock has improved the team- means nothing.

A team that didn't win a single game in 2020 wins their opener at an ACC team who appears not awful and you claim it means nothing?

alright pal

They're 2-2 after going 0-6. They're obviously better

If they go 2-10 they’re better than 0-6. Is that the progress you’re looking for? We’ve gone over this before little Nicky, You don’t get credit in year 3 for improving on year 2 you when you lowered your team to possibly the worst team in FBS.

(09-26-2021 04:39 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 04:13 PM)7 Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 01:59 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 01:51 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Why do so many try to diminish our win against GT? We won the game on the road. Let's leave at that. We were the better team and we won.

It was a great win. Probably the highlight of the season. It just depends how you evaluate it. As an individual win it was awesome. Tons of fun and excitement we havent had in years. That pelt goes on Hammocks wall no matter what. But as a measure to how far Hammock has improved the team- means nothing.

A team that didn't win a single game in 2020 wins their opener at an ACC team who appears not awful and you claim it means nothing?

alright pal

They're 2-2 after going 0-6. They're obviously better

If they go 2-10 they’re better than 0-6. Is that the progress you’re looking for? We’ve gone over this before little Nicky, You don’t get credit in year 3 for improving on year 2 you when you lowered your team to possibly the worst team in FBS.

What are you talking about lol

(09-26-2021 04:33 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 12:55 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The two P5 wins we have over .500 or better teams were the FIRST games of the year, not just early in season. The remaining wins come with a combined 28-61 group of P5s. It’s not chicken or egg because there are enough games to show a real trend.
This kind of stuff shouldn’t be surprising or deflating. Most all of the P5 wins are over teams not any better than a good G5 team. The most impressive part is being in a difficult road environment. They’re super fun wins but they are often no measure of the team being really good.

You can't have it both ways. Either you make a big deal out of it being "the FIRST games of the year" or you argue that "there are enough games to show a real trend." Being the second, third or even fourth game of the year is hardly enough to guarantee a trend.
The most impressive part is NOT being in a difficult road environment, it's the gap in budget, facilities, TV revenue, and other resources which have to be overcome. At the time we played them, their records were what they were -- not what they finished. When we beat Alabama the Crimson Tide were ranked, period. Not our fault they may have been over-rated, same with Maryland. All the more credit to the Huskies for exposing that fact.
I'm with epasnoopy: We won the game on the road. We were the better team and we won.
Also agree with 7: A team that didn't win a single in 2020 wins their opener at an ACC team who appears not to be awful and you claim it means nothing? They're 2-2 after going 0-6. They're obviously better.
You said "They're super fun wins but they are often no measure of the team being really good." Take your anti-Hammock sentiment and root for Rod since you probably also don't believe a bowl game record is a measure of anything.
Go Huskies! Let's erase EMU!

I think you’ve lost your marbles. You’re confusing your arguments. The trend is never beating good P5 teams. NIU has 1 win over a winning P5 team and in 13 games. Their best wins(Iowa, GT) both occurred on opening weekend. If you don’t think that the opening weekend has the most upsets I don’t think you watch much college football.

(09-26-2021 04:59 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 04:33 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 12:55 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The two P5 wins we have over .500 or better teams were the FIRST games of the year, not just early in season. The remaining wins come with a combined 28-61 group of P5s. It’s not chicken or egg because there are enough games to show a real trend.
This kind of stuff shouldn’t be surprising or deflating. Most all of the P5 wins are over teams not any better than a good G5 team. The most impressive part is being in a difficult road environment. They’re super fun wins but they are often no measure of the team being really good.

You can't have it both ways. Either you make a big deal out of it being "the FIRST games of the year" or you argue that "there are enough games to show a real trend." Being the second, third or even fourth game of the year is hardly enough to guarantee a trend.
The most impressive part is NOT being in a difficult road environment, it's the gap in budget, facilities, TV revenue, and other resources which have to be overcome. At the time we played them, their records were what they were -- not what they finished. When we beat Alabama the Crimson Tide were ranked, period. Not our fault they may have been over-rated, same with Maryland. All the more credit to the Huskies for exposing that fact.
I'm with epasnoopy: We won the game on the road. We were the better team and we won.
Also agree with 7: A team that didn't win a single in 2020 wins their opener at an ACC team who appears not to be awful and you claim it means nothing? They're 2-2 after going 0-6. They're obviously better.
You said "They're super fun wins but they are often no measure of the team being really good." Take your anti-Hammock sentiment and root for Rod since you probably also don't believe a bowl game record is a measure of anything.
Go Huskies! Let's erase EMU!

I think you’ve lost your marbles. You’re confusing your arguments. The trend is never beating good P5 teams. NIU has 1 win over a winning P5 team and in 13 games. Their best wins(Iowa, GT) both occurred on opening weekend. If you don’t think that the opening weekend has the most upsets I don’t think you watch much college football.

The first time you said this you tried to explain it by saying GT was playing the wrong QB, which was just totally and wildly wrong.

Also those wins likely occurred in Week 1 because NIU plays P5 teams more in week 1 than they do any other weekend. I'm still not sure what point you're trying to make here.

(09-26-2021 04:59 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  I think you’ve lost your marbles. You’re confusing your arguments. The trend is never beating good P5 teams. NIU has 1 win over a winning P5 team and in 13 games. Their best wins(Iowa, GT) both occurred on opening weekend. If you don’t think that the opening weekend has the most upsets I don’t think you watch much college football.

And I believe your marbles are cracked. Never said opening weekend does or doesn't have the most upsets. I don't care when we win or IF you think it was over a "good P5 team". How much college football one has seen has absolutely nothing to do with this whole discussion. You are intent on down-grading boneyard wins and I'll continue to celebrate them whenever they happen. You truly can't fathom the many differences between P5 and G5 programs which is a significant part of the reason they're true victories.

This idea P5's are more vulnerable in week 1 because they "haven't figured it out" is dumb anyways. Couldn't you say the same thing about NIU? We're supposed to act like a team who went 0-6 last year came in to week 1 with everything figured out? Especially a team playing a ton of young guys who have never played a road game (or any game) with fans in the stands?

Week 1 is just more of a wild card weekend. And guys can react either way. Especially when young QBs are involved. Both of our “good” wins were against freshman QBs who had never played before a full stadium(Simms played in 2020 but with Covid attendance). Simms was awful that night. Then he was great vs UNC after being benched for 2.5 games. Sounds like first game jitters to me but who knows. But Yates beat us 21-8, what does the Simms from that UNC game do to us? The one you said single handedly beat UNC.(Yates has much better stats, I’m not sure that qb battle is over)

Our best loss, at OSU, was because OSU hadn’t figured out Cardale Jones sucked until game 6 when JT Barret replaced him. (Jones threw for 36 yds and 2 ints before he got yanked). NIUs defense was awesome that game but we also caught OSU at the right time. That’s what you need. And just as a reminder, that great defense that fought at OSU was also the same defense that played Boise state to a loss of 55-7. So you tell me what that OSU game meant?



We all love boneyard wins. Even against 1-11 teams. But it’s just sports. Upsets happen all the time and often there’s some things that just happen to fall into place that help those upsets along. Often they’re not the best measure of how good your team will be the rest of the year.

JT Barrett played more than half that game and went a cool 11-19 for 97 yards for a TD and an INT. Cardale was good enough to lead Ohio State to 42 points at VaTech in week 1 that year and a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP the year before.

Maybe NIU's defense just played really well that day.

This is an all-time bizarre take.

Also, because you seem to really be struggling with facts, Sims wasn't benched for 2.5 games. He hurt his shoulder in the NIU game which was why he came out. Yates played 3 quarters against NIU and was fine. He threw for 135 yards and a TD and had 9 carries for 27 yards. Mentioning "21-8" repeatedly is also dumb when you consider one of those TD drives was a 30 yarder after Waylee fumbled. I don't think NIU was going to shut Georgia Tech out, I'm sure Sims would have led them to some points as well.

(09-26-2021 06:33 PM)7 Wrote:  JT Barrett played more than half that game and went a cool 11-19 for 97 yards for a TD and an INT. Cardale was good enough to lead Ohio State to 42 points at VaTech in week 1 that year and a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP the year before.

Maybe NIU's defense just played really well that day.

This is an all-time bizarre take.

And with Barret they outscored us 10-3. NIUs defense was amazing that game but their only td came from a Jones INT at his own 30. Barrett ended up with 9000 yds and 104 tds at OSU. Jones ended up with 2300 yds and 18tds. Obviously OSU was playing the wrong QB when we met.

You never really give any real analysis. You just point out who played or how many yards they got whether or not it matters. All I’m saying is don’t use P5 wins or even losses to measure your team. If you think different, tell me how a close game like the OSU mattered to that 2015 team that wasn’t that good. Do your best not to deflect,LOL or embellish.

(09-26-2021 06:33 PM)7 Wrote:  JT Barrett played more than half that game and went a cool 11-19 for 97 yards for a TD and an INT. Cardale was good enough to lead Ohio State to 42 points at VaTech in week 1 that year and a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP the year before.

Maybe NIU's defense just played really well that day.

This is an all-time bizarre take.

Also, because you seem to really be struggling with facts, Sims wasn't benched for 2.5 games. He hurt his shoulder in the NIU game which was why he came out. Yates played 3 quarters against NIU and was fine. He threw for 135 yards and a TD and had 9 carries for 27 yards. Mentioning "21-8" repeatedly is also dumb when you consider one of those TD drives was a 30 yarder after Waylee fumbled. I don't think NIU was going to shut Georgia Tech out, I'm sure Sims would have led them to some points as well.

Simms shoulder healed exactly during the second quarter of the NC game? Damn that was lucky.

We can debate what it means, but a boneyard W against GT sure doesn’t mean nothing. I don’t care if it’s the first, 6th or last game of the season – boneyard Ws are significant and say plenty.

A Boneyard win against GT is not important because… Bowl games are not important because…What next; a win against a MAC team means nothing because the MAC is a bad conference? So, no matter how many Ws we have this year (or any year) it means nothing?

Wyoming isn’t a good team because they struggled in their wins against Montana St. and UConn. That is the same thing as saying the 2013 Huskies was not a good team because we only beat FCS EIU by 4 points, and the 2012 Huskies (with a final ranking in the top 25 in both the Coaches and AP polls) was not a good team because we only beat 2-10 Army by 1 point. Good teams find ways to win.

Ball St. was lucky and thus not a good team last year. Ball St. was 7-1 and ranked in the top 25 in both the Coaches and AP polls in 2020. If that’s lucky/not a good team, I’ll take it! If I was a Ball St. fan, I’d be LMAO that a poster on a board whose team was 0-6 was posting that my top 25 team was lucky/not a good team.

Ball St. being picked to win the MAC sure looks like a terrible prediction at this point. Wyoming beat Ball St. 45-12, and was up 31-0 at the half (and appeared to have taken their foot off the gas in the 2nd half). I’ll be ecstatic if we take Ball St. to the woodshed like Wyoming did!

(09-26-2021 06:58 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 06:33 PM)7 Wrote:  JT Barrett played more than half that game and went a cool 11-19 for 97 yards for a TD and an INT. Cardale was good enough to lead Ohio State to 42 points at VaTech in week 1 that year and a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP the year before.

Maybe NIU's defense just played really well that day.

This is an all-time bizarre take.

And with Barret they outscored us 10-3. NIUs defense was amazing that game but their only td came from a Jones INT at his own 30. Barrett ended up with 9000 yds and 104 tds at OSU. Jones ended up with 2300 yds and 18tds. Obviously OSU was playing the wrong QB when we met.

You never really give any real analysis. You just point out who played or how many yards they got whether or not it matters. All I’m saying is don’t use P5 wins or even losses to measure your team. If you think different, tell me how a close game like the OSU mattered to that 2015 team that wasn’t that good. Do your best not to deflect,LOL or embellish.

As opposed to your analysis which is just saying what the score of the game was when a certain QB was in the game?

NIU only being outscored 10-3 in the 2.5/3 quarters Barrett was in shows how great NIU's defense played that day.

I don't even necessarily disagree beating a P5 team doesn't necessarily show how good a team is. I don't think NIU or Bowling Green are the class of the MAC this year because they did it. What I do know is beating a P5 team and going 2-2 OOC is certainly a sign that a team who didn't win a single game last year is better. I also don't think we need to sit here and try to diminish how important beating P5 teams is.

(09-26-2021 07:00 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 06:33 PM)7 Wrote:  JT Barrett played more than half that game and went a cool 11-19 for 97 yards for a TD and an INT. Cardale was good enough to lead Ohio State to 42 points at VaTech in week 1 that year and a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP the year before.

Maybe NIU's defense just played really well that day.

This is an all-time bizarre take.

Also, because you seem to really be struggling with facts, Sims wasn't benched for 2.5 games. He hurt his shoulder in the NIU game which was why he came out. Yates played 3 quarters against NIU and was fine. He threw for 135 yards and a TD and had 9 carries for 27 yards. Mentioning "21-8" repeatedly is also dumb when you consider one of those TD drives was a 30 yarder after Waylee fumbled. I don't think NIU was going to shut Georgia Tech out, I'm sure Sims would have led them to some points as well.

Simms shoulder healed exactly during the second quarter of the NC game? Damn that was lucky.

It was the first game he was medically cleared to play.

A couple good early games.

WMU 7
Buffalo 0

Pitt 14
Georgia Tech 7

NIU beat GT and WMU beat Pitt. WMU looks good early at Buffalo and Buffalo does not appear to have dropped off all that much with the coaching change and all the player transfers. I think both of these MAC games will be very difficult for NIU this season.

Lol, Carey is still making poor decisions. He went for it on 4th & 1 on Temple 35 and they got stuffed in the backfield. Memphis gets the ball and immediately throws a 35-yard TD on first down.

17-0 Memphis

(10-02-2021 11:56 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Lol, Carey is still making poor decisions. He went for it on 4th & 1 on Temple 35 and they got stuffed in the backfield. Memphis gets the ball and immediately throws a 35-yard TD on first down.

17-0 Memphis

17 should about seal the victory because that’s more than a Carey offense can muster. Well, unless the D scores twice