(11-01-2021 04:58 PM)Statefan Wrote:  If I had to guess at changing tastes over the next 25 years I would "rightsize" ACC football stadiums at:

80K - Clemson
72K - FSU
67K - VT
63K - NC State
61K - Louisville
50K - UNC/GT/UVA/Miami/Pitt
45K - Syracuse
40K - BC
30K - WF
30K - Duke

In other words, only NC State's current stadium is probably too small for the next quarter century and this is because NC State basketball has fallen off so precipitously and tailgating is so easily facilitated at CF.

What happened to Syracuse renovation? I think I saw on the first draft, they will tear up two walls and expand to 52K to 55K in capacity. Then they scratched the plan and just replaced the roof. Miss the opportunity to make the dome bigger. Everybody is trying to expand the football stadium while Syracuse chooses to stay at 1980's. How can Syracuse be competitive if not expanding?

(11-01-2021 07:42 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 04:58 PM)Statefan Wrote:  If I had to guess at changing tastes over the next 25 years I would "rightsize" ACC football stadiums at:

80K - Clemson
72K - FSU
67K - VT
63K - NC State
61K - Louisville
50K - UNC/GT/UVA/Miami/Pitt
45K - Syracuse
40K - BC
30K - WF
30K - Duke

In other words, only NC State's current stadium is probably too small for the next quarter century and this is because NC State basketball has fallen off so precipitously and tailgating is so easily facilitated at CF.

What happened to Syracuse renovation? I think I saw on the first draft, they will tear up two walls and expand to 52K to 55K in capacity. Then they scratched the plan and just replaced the roof. Miss the opportunity to make the dome bigger. Everybody is trying to expand the football stadium while Syracuse chooses to stay at 1980's. How can Syracuse be competitive if not expanding?

The roof is the first phase of the renovation. I dont recall seeing anything about tearing up walls to add 2000 to 5000 seats, but my memory is not what it used to be. If there was any of that sort of talk it had to be very short lived since the Dome is pretty much landlocked. When the Dome is fully renovated, there will be new locker rooms and wider hallways as well as more bathrooms that are modern and luxury boxes. The other point I would like to make is that I dont see how expanding the Dome is going to make SU more competitive. Looking at programs like Cincy, TCU, Baylor etc..., their smaller stadiums hasnt made those schools any less competitive the last 10 years. The Dome is as big or bigger than those stadiums.

(11-01-2021 09:11 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 07:42 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 04:58 PM)Statefan Wrote:  If I had to guess at changing tastes over the next 25 years I would "rightsize" ACC football stadiums at:

80K - Clemson
72K - FSU
67K - VT
63K - NC State
61K - Louisville
50K - UNC/GT/UVA/Miami/Pitt
45K - Syracuse
40K - BC
30K - WF
30K - Duke

In other words, only NC State's current stadium is probably too small for the next quarter century and this is because NC State basketball has fallen off so precipitously and tailgating is so easily facilitated at CF.

What happened to Syracuse renovation? I think I saw on the first draft, they will tear up two walls and expand to 52K to 55K in capacity. Then they scratched the plan and just replaced the roof. Miss the opportunity to make the dome bigger. Everybody is trying to expand the football stadium while Syracuse chooses to stay at 1980's. How can Syracuse be competitive if not expanding?

The roof is the first phase of the renovation. I dont recall seeing anything about tearing up walls to add 2000 to 5000 seats, but my memory is not what it used to be. If there was any of that sort of talk it had to be very short lived since the Dome is pretty much landlocked. When the Dome is fully renovated, there will be new locker rooms and wider hallways as well as more bathrooms that are modern and luxury boxes. The other point I would like to make is that I dont see how expanding the Dome is going to make SU more competitive. Looking at programs like Cincy, TCU, Baylor etc..., their smaller stadiums hasnt made those schools any less competitive the last 10 years. The Dome is as big or bigger than those stadiums.

You could tear down Illick Hall and that Gateway Triangle and replace them with a blown out set of boxes where you can walk out the back of the boxes and into a new Conservatory/Arboretum/Horticulture building that is 4 or so stories. I bet you can do it for $500 a square foot.

(11-01-2021 07:42 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 04:58 PM)Statefan Wrote:  If I had to guess at changing tastes over the next 25 years I would "rightsize" ACC football stadiums at:

80K - Clemson
72K - FSU
67K - VT
63K - NC State
61K - Louisville
50K - UNC/GT/UVA/Miami/Pitt
45K - Syracuse
40K - BC
30K - WF
30K - Duke

In other words, only NC State's current stadium is probably too small for the next quarter century and this is because NC State basketball has fallen off so precipitously and tailgating is so easily facilitated at CF.

What happened to Syracuse renovation? I think I saw on the first draft, they will tear up two walls and expand to 52K to 55K in capacity. Then they scratched the plan and just replaced the roof. Miss the opportunity to make the dome bigger. Everybody is trying to expand the football stadium while Syracuse chooses to stay at 1980's. How can Syracuse be competitive if not expanding?

Expanding for the sake of expanding -- especially given the decline in college football attendance across the country -- is pretty short sighted.

Answering the question fans ask "why should I go to the game, when I can watch it on my 60 inch hi def TV at home, have much cheaper beer, and no line for the toilet?" is the challenge for all athletic directors. Syracuse not adding seats to their Dome, but enhancing their amenities is the right move.

As a Louisville fan, the upper deck in our stadium is a waste. And the only reason closing in the end zone made sense was the suites paid for it. You never have to sell a ticket to that end one for the finances to work out ... but it looks like crap on TV.

(11-01-2021 10:52 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 07:42 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 04:58 PM)Statefan Wrote:  If I had to guess at changing tastes over the next 25 years I would "rightsize" ACC football stadiums at:

80K - Clemson
72K - FSU
67K - VT
63K - NC State
61K - Louisville
50K - UNC/GT/UVA/Miami/Pitt
45K - Syracuse
40K - BC
30K - WF
30K - Duke

In other words, only NC State's current stadium is probably too small for the next quarter century and this is because NC State basketball has fallen off so precipitously and tailgating is so easily facilitated at CF.

What happened to Syracuse renovation? I think I saw on the first draft, they will tear up two walls and expand to 52K to 55K in capacity. Then they scratched the plan and just replaced the roof. Miss the opportunity to make the dome bigger. Everybody is trying to expand the football stadium while Syracuse chooses to stay at 1980's. How can Syracuse be competitive if not expanding?

Expanding for the sake of expanding -- especially given the decline in college football attendance across the country -- is pretty short sighted.

Answering the question fans ask "why should I go to the game, when I can watch it on my 60 inch hi def TV at home, have much cheaper beer, and no line for the toilet?" is the challenge for all athletic directors. Syracuse not adding seats to their Dome, but enhancing their amenities is the right move.

As a Louisville fan, the upper deck in our stadium is a waste. And the only reason closing in the end zone made sense was the suites paid for it. You never have to sell a ticket to that end one for the finances to work out ... but it looks like crap on TV.

I was never a fan of UL expanding to 61K or whatever it is. To me about 50 to 52K is about it. For the most part these upper deck additions are hideous and very steep. Maryland's is awful. UL's is only slightly better.

(11-01-2021 05:51 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 10:00 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 09:15 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Yes, children that young shouldn't be allowed into a Syracuse game regardless of test results - Orange football should be strictly PG-13!

They are filming a new movie in Syracuse,

"Two Touchdowns in Two Minutes"

A new horror film set in the foothills of SW Virginia. It only happens once every 12 years due to scheduling limitations.

Directed by Wes Durham Craven.

Once every 12 years? So roughly every time they reboot "Dune"?

(11-01-2021 03:39 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  I've explained to SU they really need to cater to RV'ers. They have a perfect spot to put in 20 pull thrus.

Great idea! That should bring in 40 ticket sales... just need parking for 9,980 more RVs and you'll have a full house!

I know our RV market in Cuse. I figure the rest of the RV season they can fill it with SU employees and parents and alumni visiting. I didn't see too many RVs at VTech last weekend....maybe gas prices?

(11-01-2021 09:11 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 07:42 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 04:58 PM)Statefan Wrote:  If I had to guess at changing tastes over the next 25 years I would "rightsize" ACC football stadiums at:

80K - Clemson
72K - FSU
67K - VT
63K - NC State
61K - Louisville
50K - UNC/GT/UVA/Miami/Pitt
45K - Syracuse
40K - BC
30K - WF
30K - Duke

In other words, only NC State's current stadium is probably too small for the next quarter century and this is because NC State basketball has fallen off so precipitously and tailgating is so easily facilitated at CF.

What happened to Syracuse renovation? I think I saw on the first draft, they will tear up two walls and expand to 52K to 55K in capacity. Then they scratched the plan and just replaced the roof. Miss the opportunity to make the dome bigger. Everybody is trying to expand the football stadium while Syracuse chooses to stay at 1980's. How can Syracuse be competitive if not expanding?

The roof is the first phase of the renovation. I dont recall seeing anything about tearing up walls to add 2000 to 5000 seats, but my memory is not what it used to be. If there was any of that sort of talk it had to be very short lived since the Dome is pretty much landlocked. When the Dome is fully renovated, there will be new locker rooms and wider hallways as well as more bathrooms that are modern and luxury boxes. The other point I would like to make is that I dont see how expanding the Dome is going to make SU more competitive. Looking at programs like Cincy, TCU, Baylor etc..., their smaller stadiums hasnt made those schools any less competitive the last 10 years. The Dome is as big or bigger than those stadiums.

No they weren't going to expand seating capacity. Blowing out walls was more for ADA compliance, luxury seating,, and expanding concessions. The latest talk is adding a connecting reception center between the Dome and the student health and recreation center.

(11-01-2021 10:52 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 07:42 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 04:58 PM)Statefan Wrote:  If I had to guess at changing tastes over the next 25 years I would "rightsize" ACC football stadiums at:

80K - Clemson
72K - FSU
67K - VT
63K - NC State
61K - Louisville
50K - UNC/GT/UVA/Miami/Pitt
45K - Syracuse
40K - BC
30K - WF
30K - Duke

In other words, only NC State's current stadium is probably too small for the next quarter century and this is because NC State basketball has fallen off so precipitously and tailgating is so easily facilitated at CF.

What happened to Syracuse renovation? I think I saw on the first draft, they will tear up two walls and expand to 52K to 55K in capacity. Then they scratched the plan and just replaced the roof. Miss the opportunity to make the dome bigger. Everybody is trying to expand the football stadium while Syracuse chooses to stay at 1980's. How can Syracuse be competitive if not expanding?

Expanding for the sake of expanding -- especially given the decline in college football attendance across the country -- is pretty short sighted.

Answering the question fans ask "why should I go to the game, when I can watch it on my 60 inch hi def TV at home, have much cheaper beer, and no line for the toilet?" is the challenge for all athletic directors. Syracuse not adding seats to their Dome, but enhancing their amenities is the right move.

As a Louisville fan, the upper deck in our stadium is a waste. And the only reason closing in the end zone made sense was the suites paid for it. You never have to sell a ticket to that end one for the finances to work out ... but it looks like crap on TV.

Yep. Expanding stadiums just for the sake of expanding is so 10-15 years ago. Having seen Cincinnati go through expansion and bearing things out ADs have said, the media partners care more about a “full” stadium as opposed to the sheer number of seats in the building. Also with a smaller capacity, due to supply and demand, the market will work so that schools can raise ticket prices. There is more ROI there than shelling out $40M to add an additional 10-15k nosebleed bleacher seats.

(11-01-2021 04:58 PM)Statefan Wrote:  If I had to guess at changing tastes over the next 25 years I would "rightsize" ACC football stadiums at:

80K - Clemson
72K - FSU
67K - VT
63K - NC State
61K - Louisville
50K - UNC/GT/UVA/Miami/Pitt
45K - Syracuse
40K - BC
30K - WF
30K - Duke

In other words, only NC State's current stadium is probably too small for the next quarter century and this is because NC State basketball has fallen off so precipitously and tailgating is so easily facilitated at CF.

Just my personal opinion, but I would be more drastic in rightsizing for the next 25 years:

80K - Clemson
65K - FSU/VT
45-50K - UNC/GT/UVA/Miami/Pitt/Louisville/NC State/Syracuse
30K - BC/WF/Duke

(11-02-2021 08:32 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 04:58 PM)Statefan Wrote:  If I had to guess at changing tastes over the next 25 years I would "rightsize" ACC football stadiums at:

80K - Clemson
72K - FSU
67K - VT
63K - NC State
61K - Louisville
50K - UNC/GT/UVA/Miami/Pitt
45K - Syracuse
40K - BC
30K - WF
30K - Duke

In other words, only NC State's current stadium is probably too small for the next quarter century and this is because NC State basketball has fallen off so precipitously and tailgating is so easily facilitated at CF.

Just my personal opinion, but I would be more drastic in rightsizing for the next 25 years:

80K - Clemson
65K - FSU/VT
45-50K - UNC/GT/UVA/Miami/Pitt/Louisville/NC State/Syracuse
30K - BC/WF/Duke

That is a pretty solid take. I think when Cuse remodels their seating that Football capacity drops to 44K

VTech is fine where they are right now but dropping 5K for better seating isn't the worst thing. NCSt probably should be in the low 50s

TV, skyrocketing ticket/parking and covid fallout will hurt attendance at most schools

(11-01-2021 09:11 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 07:42 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 04:58 PM)Statefan Wrote:  If I had to guess at changing tastes over the next 25 years I would "rightsize" ACC football stadiums at:

80K - Clemson
72K - FSU
67K - VT
63K - NC State
61K - Louisville
50K - UNC/GT/UVA/Miami/Pitt
45K - Syracuse
40K - BC
30K - WF
30K - Duke

In other words, only NC State's current stadium is probably too small for the next quarter century and this is because NC State basketball has fallen off so precipitously and tailgating is so easily facilitated at CF.

What happened to Syracuse renovation? I think I saw on the first draft, they will tear up two walls and expand to 52K to 55K in capacity. Then they scratched the plan and just replaced the roof. Miss the opportunity to make the dome bigger. Everybody is trying to expand the football stadium while Syracuse chooses to stay at 1980's. How can Syracuse be competitive if not expanding?

The roof is the first phase of the renovation. I dont recall seeing anything about tearing up walls to add 2000 to 5000 seats, but my memory is not what it used to be. If there was any of that sort of talk it had to be very short lived since the Dome is pretty much landlocked. When the Dome is fully renovated, there will be new locker rooms and wider hallways as well as more bathrooms that are modern and luxury boxes. The other point I would like to make is that I dont see how expanding the Dome is going to make SU more competitive. Looking at programs like Cincy, TCU, Baylor etc..., their smaller stadiums hasnt made those schools any less competitive the last 10 years. The Dome is as big or bigger than those stadiums.

I remember when I first saw Syracuse dome renovation plan, it is said they will try to demolish the nearby SUNY ESF buildings to make room for the enlarged dome.

(11-02-2021 11:39 AM)ArQ Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 09:11 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 07:42 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 04:58 PM)Statefan Wrote:  If I had to guess at changing tastes over the next 25 years I would "rightsize" ACC football stadiums at:

80K - Clemson
72K - FSU
67K - VT
63K - NC State
61K - Louisville
50K - UNC/GT/UVA/Miami/Pitt
45K - Syracuse
40K - BC
30K - WF
30K - Duke

In other words, only NC State's current stadium is probably too small for the next quarter century and this is because NC State basketball has fallen off so precipitously and tailgating is so easily facilitated at CF.

What happened to Syracuse renovation? I think I saw on the first draft, they will tear up two walls and expand to 52K to 55K in capacity. Then they scratched the plan and just replaced the roof. Miss the opportunity to make the dome bigger. Everybody is trying to expand the football stadium while Syracuse chooses to stay at 1980's. How can Syracuse be competitive if not expanding?

The roof is the first phase of the renovation. I dont recall seeing anything about tearing up walls to add 2000 to 5000 seats, but my memory is not what it used to be. If there was any of that sort of talk it had to be very short lived since the Dome is pretty much landlocked. When the Dome is fully renovated, there will be new locker rooms and wider hallways as well as more bathrooms that are modern and luxury boxes. The other point I would like to make is that I dont see how expanding the Dome is going to make SU more competitive. Looking at programs like Cincy, TCU, Baylor etc..., their smaller stadiums hasnt made those schools any less competitive the last 10 years. The Dome is as big or bigger than those stadiums.

I remember when I first saw Syracuse dome renovation plan, it is said they will try to demolish the nearby SUNY ESF buildings to make room for the enlarged dome.

Never heard that...you have a link?

(11-01-2021 09:38 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Georgia Tech fans are distributed regionally and nationally. There's only so many nuclear engineers that are needed in metropolitan Atlanta for example. As a result when GT fans have had enough and stop attending to force the GTAA's hand on staff changes, the results can be dramatic. I was at the NIU home opener and felt the fan base massively lurch away from Collins. They had about 40k for that NIU game. For Virginia Tech last weekend ... if you remove the Hokie fans in the stands they may have had 15-20k in attendance. Shy of beating UGAg, I think Collins will be forced to make staff changes this offseason. If he doesn't, he'll enter next season with a fan base with a bad attitude problem on his case from the jump in front of mostly empty stands.

SPOT ON

(11-01-2021 07:03 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  Wake’s stadium sold out against Duke on Saturday with more than 80% of the student body in attendance. We should sell out against NC State pretty easily But Norfolk State and Old Dominion were never going to draw a crowd.

It’s one of the reasons we need UNC on the schedule, it doesn’t just turn out traveling fans but it turns out our own fan base.

If Clawson stays and Forbes is successful, then maybe we start getting a sidewalk fan following like we started building in the Prosser years. Improving the non-conference schedule with teams the fans care about would help.

App State is ready and willing!!!!!!!!! Just sayin' .