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(06-08-2022 07:59 AM)Osprey#1 Wrote:  I think Mullet is spot on here. Perhaps we will see the formation of a breakaway professional college sports organization with the elite P5 teams. UNCW will stick with the weakened NCAA which may be able to maintain a semi-amateur organization of university sports: non-elite P5, and mid- and low-majors. Maybe that will be fine.

But what is an organization that's built upon only the "elite" universities, based only on athletics, but a semi-pro organization? And if many of these are taxpayer funded, public institutions like those in the UNC system, at what point does the state legislature step in demanding that taxpayer funded institutions within a state treat all colleges and universities equally?
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Excellent questions 82! It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out. I just hope the sports we love survive it!
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(06-08-2022 06:12 AM)82hawk Wrote:  We'll see what happens. Here are my predictions

1. New powerhouse schools will emerge based on access to a large alumni base and located in large cities where NIL deals are more likely.

2. Student athletes with "star power" beyond their athletic abilities will have power they didn't have before in the NIL world.

3. Student athletes will work to develop an online following in high school that will allow them to bring their fan base with them to the college they choose.

4. Although universities can't participate in the NIL arrangement(yet), they can help students and student athletes develop a following that will help them land NIL deals. IMO this is where a school like UNCW, located in a city with movie productions, a film school and other capabilities to enhance name recognition for athletes, could have an advantage. IF we recognize it and use it. No reason our athletes can't leverage these assets in the NIL world.
I agree to a point with this but the first thing I would say is UNCW has some assets that are not being used and frankly it's not going to change until the top guy in athletics is gone if we judge him by what he does and has done . The film school should have been brought into the AD as an asset years ago but I could not name one instance of the two collaborating on anything . The baseball team doesn't even have an analytics intern that I am aware of .
NIL is a moving target right but if a school like sits on the sidelines and waits to figure it out they will be left in the dust . The fact is that HS players have had an online presence for years and are now cashing in on it bigtime-right now . I know ACC baseball teams are actively getting deals for players that will help them retain players and help keep them out of free agency. Duke basketball just hired a GM from Nike and that is what UNCW better look into right now. You can't worry about a pretty volleyball making a few bucks while the Tommy Whites of the world cash in with huge money . It's here and it's happening right now. The big guys seem to understand or have the means to take advantage of the situation . The little guys will become minor league teams on an even bigger scale and no looking back or feeling sorry for UNCW of any other school . These deals are separate from the school and no legislator will be able to do anything about it .
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(06-10-2022 09:10 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I agree to a point with this but the first thing I would say is UNCW has some assets that are not being used and frankly it's not going to change until the top guy in athletics is gone if we judge him by what he does and has done .

NIL is a moving target right but if a school like sits on the sidelines and waits to figure it out they will be left in the dust .

It's here and it's happening right now. The big guys seem to understand or have the means to take advantage of the situation . The little guys will become minor league teams on an even bigger scale and no looking back or feeling sorry for UNCW of any other school . These deals are separate from the school and no legislator will be able to do anything about it .

^^Sadly, this^^

Any school that is not already a powerhouse better get a lot less bureaucratic and a lot more outside-the-box entrepreneurial really, really quickly. This is a much bigger deal than being left behind in past conference realignments.

Unless the new chancellor comes into office already possessing a vision and sense of urgency on this issue its hard for me to see how he will get it in time to not be left behind. Free agency + NIL money + 'independent' cooperatives that in fact coordinate with athletic departments mean that professionalism has come to college athletics. Choosing the "next man (or woman) up" for UNCW AD, rather than a person who can put together these deals, is a recipe for becoming irrelevant.

Competing at the DI level is now going to be a lot more complicated and/or expensive - and that's even if the top programs bolt the NCAA in favor of a new arrangement (which I think they eventually will).
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Everything You Always Wanted to Know About NIL* (*But Were Afraid to Ask)

https://thefieldof68.substack.com/p/ever...ed-to-know

Also, as Winter notes, it plays a significant role in recruiting. Prospects often inquire about NIL deals in initial conversations, because the opportunities represent real money.

“It's the number one question that's asked but you can't talk about it,” Kansas coach Bill Self said recently. “You can talk about and tell them what you do. But you can't be specific, which is the way it should be. [...] It's just a different world and we do not have it under control at all right now.”
Boise State was named “Best Institutional NIL Program” last month, earning praise for an in-house agency that handles representation and individual and group licensing deals. In addition, it assigns a school employee to find potential deals.

But it’s far from the only school trying to maximize NIL.

Duke, Kentucky and Texas all have NIL officers (with various titles). North Carolina churned out gear during its Final Four run. USC recently hired an agency to oversee its athletes exploring NIL deals (one can only imagine how much more Reggie Bush could’ve made. Instead he’ll have to settle for Wendy’s commercials), while Kansas spent the spring on a national title barnstorming tour. Basically, schools are exploring everything.



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the ‘Fore the Players Classic.’ The tournament is a smashing success,with all 72 spots filled by UH fans.This is a Name, Image & Likeness (NIL) event allowing the UH players to get compensated
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(06-29-2022 06:14 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Everything You Always Wanted to Know About NIL* (*But Were Afraid to Ask)

https://thefieldof68.substack.com/p/ever...ed-to-know

Also, as Winter notes, it plays a significant role in recruiting. Prospects often inquire about NIL deals in initial conversations, because the opportunities represent real money.

“It's the number one question that's asked but you can't talk about it,” Kansas coach Bill Self said recently. “You can talk about and tell them what you do. But you can't be specific, which is the way it should be. [...] It's just a different world and we do not have it under control at all right now.”
Boise State was named “Best Institutional NIL Program” last month, earning praise for an in-house agency that handles representation and individual and group licensing deals. In addition, it assigns a school employee to find potential deals.

But it’s far from the only school trying to maximize NIL.

Duke, Kentucky and Texas all have NIL officers (with various titles). North Carolina churned out gear during its Final Four run. USC recently hired an agency to oversee its athletes exploring NIL deals (one can only imagine how much more Reggie Bush could’ve made. Instead he’ll have to settle for Wendy’s commercials), while Kansas spent the spring on a national title barnstorming tour. Basically, schools are exploring everything.



Mark Berman
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The entire
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team at The Club at Carlton Woods co-hosting with
@campioevents
the ‘Fore the Players Classic.’ The tournament is a smashing success,with all 72 spots filled by UH fans.This is a Name, Image & Likeness (NIL) event allowing the UH players to get compensated
I saw yesterday one of the top QBs in next years class signed with Miami and has an NIL deal already worth 9 mil. Apparently he shunned UF and an NIL deal of 11 mil. Crazy times, one extreme to another.
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So, we need to form a collective?
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(06-29-2022 07:59 AM)Osprey#1 Wrote:  So, we need to form a collective?


We have anyone in here that works in marketing?


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(06-29-2022 07:13 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(06-29-2022 06:14 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Everything You Always Wanted to Know About NIL* (*But Were Afraid to Ask)

https://thefieldof68.substack.com/p/ever...ed-to-know

Also, as Winter notes, it plays a significant role in recruiting. Prospects often inquire about NIL deals in initial conversations, because the opportunities represent real money.

“It's the number one question that's asked but you can't talk about it,” Kansas coach Bill Self said recently. “You can talk about and tell them what you do. But you can't be specific, which is the way it should be. [...] It's just a different world and we do not have it under control at all right now.”
Boise State was named “Best Institutional NIL Program” last month, earning praise for an in-house agency that handles representation and individual and group licensing deals. In addition, it assigns a school employee to find potential deals.

But it’s far from the only school trying to maximize NIL.

Duke, Kentucky and Texas all have NIL officers (with various titles). North Carolina churned out gear during its Final Four run. USC recently hired an agency to oversee its athletes exploring NIL deals (one can only imagine how much more Reggie Bush could’ve made. Instead he’ll have to settle for Wendy’s commercials), while Kansas spent the spring on a national title barnstorming tour. Basically, schools are exploring everything.



Mark Berman
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The entire
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team at The Club at Carlton Woods co-hosting with
@campioevents
the ‘Fore the Players Classic.’ The tournament is a smashing success,with all 72 spots filled by UH fans.This is a Name, Image & Likeness (NIL) event allowing the UH players to get compensated
I saw yesterday one of the top QBs in next years class signed with Miami and has an NIL deal already worth 9 mil. Apparently he shunned UF and an NIL deal of 11 mil. Crazy times, one extreme to another.

For sure we all believe it because Bill Self says that that's the way it should be . There is literally no way that is how it works with Kansas basketball . Not a bigger,lying sack of crap out there than this guy .
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(06-29-2022 04:11 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(06-29-2022 07:13 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(06-29-2022 06:14 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Everything You Always Wanted to Know About NIL* (*But Were Afraid to Ask)

https://thefieldof68.substack.com/p/ever...ed-to-know

Also, as Winter notes, it plays a significant role in recruiting. Prospects often inquire about NIL deals in initial conversations, because the opportunities represent real money.

“It's the number one question that's asked but you can't talk about it,” Kansas coach Bill Self said recently. “You can talk about and tell them what you do. But you can't be specific, which is the way it should be. [...] It's just a different world and we do not have it under control at all right now.”
Boise State was named “Best Institutional NIL Program” last month, earning praise for an in-house agency that handles representation and individual and group licensing deals. In addition, it assigns a school employee to find potential deals.

But it’s far from the only school trying to maximize NIL.

Duke, Kentucky and Texas all have NIL officers (with various titles). North Carolina churned out gear during its Final Four run. USC recently hired an agency to oversee its athletes exploring NIL deals (one can only imagine how much more Reggie Bush could’ve made. Instead he’ll have to settle for Wendy’s commercials), while Kansas spent the spring on a national title barnstorming tour. Basically, schools are exploring everything.



Mark Berman
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The entire
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team at The Club at Carlton Woods co-hosting with
@campioevents
the ‘Fore the Players Classic.’ The tournament is a smashing success,with all 72 spots filled by UH fans.This is a Name, Image & Likeness (NIL) event allowing the UH players to get compensated
I saw yesterday one of the top QBs in next years class signed with Miami and has an NIL deal already worth 9 mil. Apparently he shunned UF and an NIL deal of 11 mil. Crazy times, one extreme to another.

For sure we all believe it because Bill Self says that that's the way it should be . There is literally no way that is how it works with Kansas basketball . Not a bigger,lying sack of crap out there than this guy .
what are you talking about?
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(06-29-2022 07:10 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(06-29-2022 04:11 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(06-29-2022 07:13 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(06-29-2022 06:14 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Everything You Always Wanted to Know About NIL* (*But Were Afraid to Ask)

https://thefieldof68.substack.com/p/ever...ed-to-know

Also, as Winter notes, it plays a significant role in recruiting. Prospects often inquire about NIL deals in initial conversations, because the opportunities represent real money.

“It's the number one question that's asked but you can't talk about it,” Kansas coach Bill Self said recently. “You can talk about and tell them what you do. But you can't be specific, which is the way it should be. [...] It's just a different world and we do not have it under control at all right now.”
Boise State was named “Best Institutional NIL Program” last month, earning praise for an in-house agency that handles representation and individual and group licensing deals. In addition, it assigns a school employee to find potential deals.

But it’s far from the only school trying to maximize NIL.

Duke, Kentucky and Texas all have NIL officers (with various titles). North Carolina churned out gear during its Final Four run. USC recently hired an agency to oversee its athletes exploring NIL deals (one can only imagine how much more Reggie Bush could’ve made. Instead he’ll have to settle for Wendy’s commercials), while Kansas spent the spring on a national title barnstorming tour. Basically, schools are exploring everything.



Mark Berman
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The entire
@UHCougarMBK
team at The Club at Carlton Woods co-hosting with
@campioevents
the ‘Fore the Players Classic.’ The tournament is a smashing success,with all 72 spots filled by UH fans.This is a Name, Image & Likeness (NIL) event allowing the UH players to get compensated
I saw yesterday one of the top QBs in next years class signed with Miami and has an NIL deal already worth 9 mil. Apparently he shunned UF and an NIL deal of 11 mil. Crazy times, one extreme to another.

For sure we all believe it because Bill Self says that that's the way it should be . There is literally no way that is how it works with Kansas basketball . Not a bigger,lying sack of crap out there than this guy .
what are you talking about?


Add Bill Self to the long list of people Mullet dislikes for one reason or another.


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(06-29-2022 08:18 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  Add Bill Self to the long list of people Mullet dislikes for one reason or another.

Serious question: Does The Mullet actually know (or has The Mullet actually met) Bill Self?

Another serious question: Will UNCW require of its next AD a serious understanding of, and an actual plan for implementing, a competitive NIL plan?
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(06-29-2022 08:18 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(06-29-2022 07:10 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(06-29-2022 04:11 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(06-29-2022 07:13 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(06-29-2022 06:14 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Everything You Always Wanted to Know About NIL* (*But Were Afraid to Ask)

https://thefieldof68.substack.com/p/ever...ed-to-know

Also, as Winter notes, it plays a significant role in recruiting. Prospects often inquire about NIL deals in initial conversations, because the opportunities represent real money.

“It's the number one question that's asked but you can't talk about it,” Kansas coach Bill Self said recently. “You can talk about and tell them what you do. But you can't be specific, which is the way it should be. [...] It's just a different world and we do not have it under control at all right now.”
Boise State was named “Best Institutional NIL Program” last month, earning praise for an in-house agency that handles representation and individual and group licensing deals. In addition, it assigns a school employee to find potential deals.

But it’s far from the only school trying to maximize NIL.

Duke, Kentucky and Texas all have NIL officers (with various titles). North Carolina churned out gear during its Final Four run. USC recently hired an agency to oversee its athletes exploring NIL deals (one can only imagine how much more Reggie Bush could’ve made. Instead he’ll have to settle for Wendy’s commercials), while Kansas spent the spring on a national title barnstorming tour. Basically, schools are exploring everything.



Mark Berman
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The entire
@UHCougarMBK
team at The Club at Carlton Woods co-hosting with
@campioevents
the ‘Fore the Players Classic.’ The tournament is a smashing success,with all 72 spots filled by UH fans.This is a Name, Image & Likeness (NIL) event allowing the UH players to get compensated
I saw yesterday one of the top QBs in next years class signed with Miami and has an NIL deal already worth 9 mil. Apparently he shunned UF and an NIL deal of 11 mil. Crazy times, one extreme to another.

For sure we all believe it because Bill Self says that that's the way it should be . There is literally no way that is how it works with Kansas basketball . Not a bigger,lying sack of crap out there than this guy .
what are you talking about?


Add Bill Self to the long list of people Mullet dislikes for one reason or another.


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Better questions might be does anybody like Bill Self other than Kansas fans and is he a cheater who didn't get fired for paying players ?
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(06-30-2022 08:26 AM)70shawk Wrote:  
(06-29-2022 08:18 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  Add Bill Self to the long list of people Mullet dislikes for one reason or another.

Serious question: Does The Mullet actually know (or has The Mullet actually met) Bill Self?

Another serious question: Will UNCW require of its next AD a serious understanding of, and an actual plan for implementing, a competitive NIL plan?

Never met Bill Self and don't care to at all . My guess is UNCW will not hire an AD who is up to speed on NIL . I would think that Siddle probably has some thoughts on this but will not be included on anything related to it.
I drove through UNCW with a friend who has a son being recruited by Coach Hood and his reaction was that the facilities are old and not close to any other school they have visited . Only softball seemed to be up to speed for outdoor sports . NIL and facilities have to be a priority .
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(06-29-2022 08:18 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(06-29-2022 07:10 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(06-29-2022 04:11 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(06-29-2022 07:13 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(06-29-2022 06:14 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Everything You Always Wanted to Know About NIL* (*But Were Afraid to Ask)

https://thefieldof68.substack.com/p/ever...ed-to-know

Also, as Winter notes, it plays a significant role in recruiting. Prospects often inquire about NIL deals in initial conversations, because the opportunities represent real money.

“It's the number one question that's asked but you can't talk about it,” Kansas coach Bill Self said recently. “You can talk about and tell them what you do. But you can't be specific, which is the way it should be. [...] It's just a different world and we do not have it under control at all right now.”
Boise State was named “Best Institutional NIL Program” last month, earning praise for an in-house agency that handles representation and individual and group licensing deals. In addition, it assigns a school employee to find potential deals.

But it’s far from the only school trying to maximize NIL.

Duke, Kentucky and Texas all have NIL officers (with various titles). North Carolina churned out gear during its Final Four run. USC recently hired an agency to oversee its athletes exploring NIL deals (one can only imagine how much more Reggie Bush could’ve made. Instead he’ll have to settle for Wendy’s commercials), while Kansas spent the spring on a national title barnstorming tour. Basically, schools are exploring everything.



Mark Berman
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The entire
@UHCougarMBK
team at The Club at Carlton Woods co-hosting with
@campioevents
the ‘Fore the Players Classic.’ The tournament is a smashing success,with all 72 spots filled by UH fans.This is a Name, Image & Likeness (NIL) event allowing the UH players to get compensated
I saw yesterday one of the top QBs in next years class signed with Miami and has an NIL deal already worth 9 mil. Apparently he shunned UF and an NIL deal of 11 mil. Crazy times, one extreme to another.

For sure we all believe it because Bill Self says that that's the way it should be . There is literally no way that is how it works with Kansas basketball . Not a bigger,lying sack of crap out there than this guy .
what are you talking about?


Add Bill Self to the long list of people Mullet dislikes for one reason or another.


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(06-30-2022 11:42 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(06-29-2022 08:18 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(06-29-2022 07:10 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(06-29-2022 04:11 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(06-29-2022 07:13 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I saw yesterday one of the top QBs in next years class signed with Miami and has an NIL deal already worth 9 mil. Apparently he shunned UF and an NIL deal of 11 mil. Crazy times, one extreme to another.

For sure we all believe it because Bill Self says that that's the way it should be . There is literally no way that is how it works with Kansas basketball . Not a bigger,lying sack of crap out there than this guy .
what are you talking about?


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Oh I’d be amused if I haven’t been on that list for years.


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(06-30-2022 11:36 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  . NIL and facilities have to be a priority .

The Mullet is right.
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Building the second best indoor practice facility in the country is a start. Need more money for the rest.
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I also agree that UNCW needs to find a way to make NIL a priority. As ridiculous as I think NIL is, if we don’t, UNCW athletics is going to get left in the absolute dust. The P6 programs in our own state will have zero qualms about our school getting tossed into the heap of worthless mid majors.


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So, things are on the move. UNCLA and Southern Cal are joining the Big Ten. A "National Conference" is being formed. As George Carlin once said, "it's a big club, and you aren't in it".

Want to be relevant? Better figure out a way to elbow you way into the party, and do it quickly...
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