To answer your question... yes a multiple bid league could be created from this or even the best 8-10 teams from CUSA. It’s time to drop the dead weight in this conference. If we want to be a basketball conference then we need to drop the F_U twins and UTSA.

(08-12-2021 10:25 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  To answer your question... yes a multiple bid league could be created from this or even the best 8-10 teams from CUSA. It’s time to drop the dead weight in this conference. If we want to be a basketball conference then we need to drop the F_U twins and UTSA.

This is why I don’t understand the whole C-USA East split thing. If the 7 all leave, you have the Florida schools and the struggling MTSU. You need UAB to join you to shift the balance. Otherwise, it seems the balance of power in C-USA is shifting to the West. I am looking forward to 2021-2022 to see if the West can sustain the performance they had last year.

The problem is you can't just "drop the dead weight".

(08-12-2021 03:14 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  The problem is you can't just "drop the dead weight".

CUSA has done it before.

(08-10-2021 01:13 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  As a 10 team All-sports league, this would be decent.

The Eastern 10 (E10)

UMASS
Marshall
ODU
James Madison
Charlotte
Liberty
Georgia State
WKU
MTSU
UAB

I don't get it. I don't get the appeal at all for that.

(08-15-2021 02:12 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 01:13 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  As a 10 team All-sports league, this would be decent.

The Eastern 10 (E10)

UMASS
Marshall
ODU
James Madison
Charlotte
Liberty
Georgia State
WKU
MTSU
UAB

I don't get it. I don't get the appeal at all for that.

You must not care about basketball then. And thats fine. It would be lousy for football. But could be much better in hoops, which all of those teams other than JMU (though they used to be good, and just built a new arena) care about.

(08-13-2021 07:08 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(08-12-2021 03:14 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  The problem is you can't just "drop the dead weight".

CUSA has done it before.

CUSA was basically created by other conferences doing so.

(08-15-2021 02:17 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(08-13-2021 07:08 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(08-12-2021 03:14 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  The problem is you can't just "drop the dead weight".

CUSA has done it before.

CUSA was basically created by other conferences doing so.

No it was not. It ended up being that but was not how it was created

(08-15-2021 02:16 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(08-15-2021 02:12 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 01:13 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  As a 10 team All-sports league, this would be decent.

The Eastern 10 (E10)

UMASS
Marshall
ODU
James Madison
Charlotte
Liberty
Georgia State
WKU
MTSU
UAB

I don't get it. I don't get the appeal at all for that. :lmfao:

You must not care about basketball then. And thats fine. It would be lousy for football. But could be much better in hoops, which all of those teams other than JMU (though they used to be good, and just built a new arena) care about.

It's lousy for football, true, but you essentially trade two of the best mens BB teams in CUSA (LA Tech & UNT) for UMASS (which isn't exactly on your doorstep either). That's it. UMASS. I've never considered Liberty, GA State and JMU basketball powers. Let's look at each:

- JMU finished 13-7 --with 9 games cancellations-- in 2021, and finished 8-21 in their 2020 season. Not a basketball power by any stretch.

- GA State finished 2020 with a 16-6 record. They finished a pedestrian 18-13 in 2020. Not a basketball power.

- Liberty finished 23-6 in 2020, but they played lots of Bible Colleges (Carver College, Bluefield College, Lancaster Bible College, etc...on their schedule. They also beat Kennesaw St and North Alabama 3 times each for 6 of those wins, and beat North FLA, Jacksonville and Stetson twice each for 6 more wins. No way these guys are at LA Tech's or UNT's level.

- UMASS finished the 2021 season 8-7. While I consider UMASS a "real basketball school", the fact is the Minutemen are in the A10 and probably have no interest in your little conference anyway.

Just a reminder, UNT finished 18-10 and won the CUSA Tournament in 2021. They also beat Purdue in the 1st round of the NCAA Tournament. Furthermore, LA Tech finished 24-6, 1st in CUSA West and won the 3rd place game in the post season NIT over Colorado State, the tournament's #1 seed. LA Tech has also AVERAGED 24 wins for the last 9 consecutive seasons.

You new "basketball conference" is much worse than the one you would be leaving called CUSA. And THAT'S a fact.

(08-16-2021 09:44 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(08-15-2021 02:17 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(08-13-2021 07:08 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(08-12-2021 03:14 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  The problem is you can't just "drop the dead weight".

CUSA has done it before.

CUSA was basically created by other conferences doing so.

No it was not. It ended up being that but was not how it was created

It kinda did though. The Great Midwest and Metro teams left Dayton, VCU and Va. Tech behind to form CUSA. Tech because they wouldn't move football and Dayton/VCU because they didn't make the cut. In 2021 most of CUSA would move heaven and earth to get Dayton and VCU into the league.

I see UMass has popped up again. Why in anyone's fantasy would they take their basketball out of the A10 to associate with cusa east? They wouldn't.

Two years ago UConn writer Mark Blaudshun said that there were "talks" of UConn and UMass joining cusa and that the league would later split into 2 regional conferences. But UConn and UMass would be football only. Never happened and it may be the same outcome this time around.

(08-16-2021 09:07 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  I see UMass has popped up again. Why in anyone's fantasy would they take their basketball out of the A10 to associate with cusa east? They wouldn't.

Two years ago UConn writer Mark Blaudshun said that there were "talks" of UConn and UMass joining cusa and that the league would later split into 2 regional conferences. But UConn and UMass would be football only. Never happened and it may be the same outcome this time around.

Naw, neither would happen. UMASS wouldn’t leave the A10 and we wouldn’t accept them as FB only. Stupid thread started by a Boston College fan. Should be dead long ago.

UConn I could tolerate as football only if it came with a scheduling agreement in Men's/Women's hoops (say 1 home 1 away a year against C-USA teams). UMass would need to be an all sports add, but I don't know about expanding that far North.

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(08-12-2021 10:25 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  To answer your question... yes a multiple bid league could be created from this or even the best 8-10 teams from CUSA. It’s time to drop the dead weight in this conference. If we want to be a basketball conference then we need to drop the F_U twins and UTSA.

Yup. 100%

(08-12-2021 10:44 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  This is why I don’t understand the whole C-USA East split thing. If the 7 all leave, you have the Florida schools and the struggling MTSU. You need UAB to join you to shift the balance. Otherwise, it seems the balance of power in C-USA is shifting to the West. I am looking forward to 2021-2022 to see if the West can sustain the performance they had last year.

Yeah, the concept of the entire C-USA East splitting off is silly. There's no reason to do that. It should be the 5 Eastern members outside of Florida, with UAB and La Tech.

Split with those 7 (assuming you can get the NCAA paperwork to get an AQ to NCAA tournaments), add an eighth full time member to become an FBS conference -- Liberty has flaws, but they're a very easy get if no one else bites. UMass would take a FB only invite, but wouldn't leave the A-10 for this new league. I'd target Buffalo.

And then you'd have a basketball league that flirted with two bids every year, because of how SOS math works.

(08-10-2021 06:13 PM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  Out of that group, only Liberty, UAB, WKU, and Marshall finished with a top 100 NET and none in the top 80.

Trading out UNT and LT for the non current CUSA teams in that list is a step back.

I don't like that group listed, and you're right on UNT/LT. But I wanted to point out that the NET rankings are totally pointless when you're talking about changing a conference. The effect on the NET/RPI that "conferences" hold on the entire system is purely massive.

You get your NET ranking by your performance against your schedule. But 19 of 31 games are against conference teams.

So most of your SOS comes from the conference games. And because every conference goes .500 against itself, your conference-game SOS is basically "what your conference did collectively OOC."

Pointing to what one team's numbers are currently doesn't mean anything because OOC schedules change every year, and a new conference is changing the 19+ conference games.

(08-16-2021 01:36 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(08-15-2021 02:16 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(08-15-2021 02:12 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 01:13 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  As a 10 team All-sports league, this would be decent.

The Eastern 10 (E10)

UMASS
Marshall
ODU
James Madison
Charlotte
Liberty
Georgia State
WKU
MTSU
UAB

I don't get it. I don't get the appeal at all for that.

You must not care about basketball then. And thats fine. It would be lousy for football. But could be much better in hoops, which all of those teams other than JMU (though they used to be good, and just built a new arena) care about.

It's lousy for football, true, but you essentially trade two of the best mens BB teams in CUSA (LA Tech & UNT) for UMASS (which isn't exactly on your doorstep either). That's it. UMASS. I've never considered Liberty, GA State and JMU basketball powers. Let's look at each:

- JMU finished 13-7 --with 9 games cancellations-- in 2021, and finished 8-21 in their 2020 season. Not a basketball power by any stretch.

- GA State finished 2020 with a 16-6 record. They finished a pedestrian 18-13 in 2020. Not a basketball power.

- Liberty finished 23-6 in 2020, but they played lots of Bible Colleges (Carver College, Bluefield College, Lancaster Bible College, etc...on their schedule. They also beat Kennesaw St and North Alabama 3 times each for 6 of those wins, and beat North FLA, Jacksonville and Stetson twice each for 6 more wins. No way these guys are at LA Tech's or UNT's level.

- UMASS finished the 2021 season 8-7. While I consider UMASS a "real basketball school", the fact is the Minutemen are in the A10 and probably have no interest in your little conference anyway.

Just a reminder, UNT finished 18-10 and won the CUSA Tournament in 2021. They also beat Purdue in the 1st round of the NCAA Tournament. Furthermore, LA Tech finished 24-6, 1st in CUSA West and won the 3rd place game in the post season NIT over Colorado State, the tournament's #1 seed. LA Tech has also AVERAGED 24 wins for the last 9 consecutive seasons.

You new "basketball conference" is much worse than the one you would be leaving called CUSA. And THAT'S a fact.

UNT might be turning their basketball program around (finally), but I wouldn't exactly refer to them as being one of the best basketball teams in CUSA yet. If they can have a few more seasons in the very near future like the last two I may warm up to the idea of them being one of the best teams in CUSA.

In their 8 years of playing basketball in CUSA they have only finished above .500 in conference play twice. Their overall record in CUSA games is 62 - 76.

Prior to joining CUSA in the 13/14 season, they played 13 seasons in the Sun Belt dating back to the 00/01 season. Their overall record in Sun Belt Conference games was 99 - 116.

Since the 2000/2001 season their combined conference basketball record is 161 - 192.

(08-11-2021 08:05 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Take a bunch of teams that can't get a second bid now.
Put them all together.
??????????
Second bid!

Yes. That's 100% correct. The reason C-USA can't get a second bid is because so many of the teams in C-USA aren't posting good overall records, so the SOS of conference games is really low, so 2nd place is finishing in the 80s.

Let me break it down for you... Last 10 years, basketball win percentage (current members, yes the league hasn't been together for 10 years yet)

CUSA: .529 (1 bid per year)
MAC: .530 (1 bid per year)
MVC: .542 (1.8 bids per year)
A10: .547 (2.75 bids per year)
AAC: .569 (3 bids per year)

On average, you're playing 31 games a season. 19 conference games.
Those 19 conference games are worth .529 on your SOS 19 times.

If the exact same conference is playing .579 basketball, their SOS in is worth more 19 times, and therefore all their computer numbers (NET/RPI) go up.

Marshall, ODU, WKU, MTSU, UAB, Charlotte, and La Tech play .576 basketball. Throw in Buffalo and Liberty and you're at .581.

So yeah, second place in THAT New Conference is going to be in the mix for an NCAA bid.


**I'm not a fan of any C-USA team, I'm not talking smack on anyone in the league, I'm just going raw data. There's a strategic/geography element of those 7. You need to take only 7 and NOT the "clearly best 7" so you don't get sued.

(08-16-2021 09:30 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 09:07 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  I see UMass has popped up again. Why in anyone's fantasy would they take their basketball out of the A10 to associate with cusa east? They wouldn't.

Two years ago UConn writer Mark Blaudshun said that there were "talks" of UConn and UMass joining cusa and that the league would later split into 2 regional conferences. But UConn and UMass would be football only. Never happened and it may be the same outcome this time around.

Naw, neither would happen. UMASS wouldn’t leave the A10 and we wouldn’t accept them as FB only. Stupid thread started by a Boston College fan. Should be dead long ago.

That's pretty harsh punishment for holding an unpopular opi ... oh you mean the idea of UMass and UConn joining a CUSA East breakaway. Never mind.