(08-10-2021 11:22 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 09:41 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  I honestly don’t care if some of the AAC fans THINK we are 7th or 8th on the list. I’m also glad ESPN is involved with the AAC as they will definitely push for Marshall and App St over teams such as Charlotte, ODU, and Ga St.

based on the fact that espn has passed on bidding on c-usa that has been headlined by marshall

again espn pushed tulane over marshall...so theres that

Meh... I’d say it had more to do with academics, location, and every conference needs a bottom feeder to provide easy wins each week! Even if you are correct, that doesn’t change the fact that Marshall and App are more valuable than Charlotte, ODU, and Ga St.

(08-10-2021 11:28 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 11:22 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 09:41 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  I honestly don’t care if some of the AAC fans THINK we are 7th or 8th on the list. I’m also glad ESPN is involved with the AAC as they will definitely push for Marshall and App St over teams such as Charlotte, ODU, and Ga St.

based on the fact that espn has passed on bidding on c-usa that has been headlined by marshall

again espn pushed tulane over marshall...so theres that

Meh... I’d say it had more to do with academics, location, and every conference needs a bottom feeder to provide easy wins each week! Even if you are correct, that doesn’t change the fact that Marshall and App are more valuable than Charlotte, ODU, and Ga St.

Trying to imagine any college president sitting in his office thinking " Meh... I’d say it had more to do with academics, location, and every conference needs a bottom feeder to provide easy wins each week!"

lol

(08-10-2021 10:23 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 10:18 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 10:01 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 09:54 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 09:49 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  When this is over I will be laughing at the folks that have moving trucks in their driveway and nowhere to go, better hope that none of the AAC members are on that list "because your president was smart enough" to think clearly.

I suspect what will happen is that a year or two from now, once the settlement with TX and OU happens, the L8 will expand by two to get back to 10. I expect Cincy to be one of those two schools, and maybe one more AAC school as well, should BYU turn the L8 down.

We will then make a pitch for Army, who will decline, and end up adding two from App State, Georgia State and UAB.

With all due respect, UC has a vey low ceiling, if the BIG XII adds 2 BYU will be #1 and UCF #2... I believe ESPN has different ideas as to what they are willing to pay for.

If they don’t lose anyone else and add BYU and UCF then they will maintain their P5 status.

I'm not saying they will add anyone or those 2, but BYU and UCF are the best that the BIG XII should get.

I don't think you will see the Big 12 make the same mistake with UCF as they did with WVU. The Mounties couldn't be anymore of an outlier in the Big 12 and UCF would be even worst. UCF only makes sense if you invite USF; otherwise the logical choice outside of BYU would be Cincy to connect WVU to the rest of the Big 12.

Now if they decide to add 4 teams then I could see UCF and USF going together. Otherwise, common sense would say add Houston and Boise.

(08-10-2021 10:50 AM)panama Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 10:41 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 10:01 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 09:54 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 09:49 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  When this is over I will be laughing at the folks that have moving trucks in their driveway and nowhere to go, better hope that none of the AAC members are on that list "because your president was smart enough" to think clearly.

I suspect what will happen is that a year or two from now, once the settlement with TX and OU happens, the L8 will expand by two to get back to 10. I expect Cincy to be one of those two schools, and maybe one more AAC school as well, should BYU turn the L8 down.

We will then make a pitch for Army, who will decline, and end up adding two from App State, Georgia State and UAB.

With all due respect, UC has a vey low ceiling, if the BIG XII adds 2 BYU will be #1 and UCF #2... I believe ESPN has different ideas as to what they are willing to pay for.

Assuming that is correct, can we agree that UC was a top 10 type team to end the season last year and is a top 10 type team to start this one? Help me understand... Is this the low ceiling you mention?

This guy is great.

A lot of personal preferences and biases coming out in these posts. Incredible. Cincinnati is really good AND in the #5 recruiting ground.

To back up GoOwls’ argument, UC makes it into the Coaches Poll Top 10 but only at #10. Low ceiling... the struggle is real.

https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/po...021-08-10/

(08-09-2021 01:38 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  I like TTU, TCU, OSU, Baylor, KU, KSU, WVU and ISU...

Great Academic fit, and new expanded footprint, don't thick we'll miss anyone who might depart.

Don't think any of those additions will bow out of the NCAA Tournament in the 1st round every year that they make the Tournament.

Best options out there, they will add value beyond anyone who may leave

If these ^^^ programs don’t land in a high revenue league they’re not going to attract the same recruits they’ve enjoyed over their happy years.

So when they fall backwards I doubt any of them will carry any eye popping value worth taking a chance on.

(08-10-2021 11:41 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  I don't think you will see the Big 12 make the same mistake with UCF as they did with WVU. The Mounties couldn't be anymore of an outlier in the Big 12 and UCF would be even worst. UCF only makes sense if you invite USF; otherwise the logical choice outside of BYU would be Cincy to connect WVU to the rest of the Big 12.

Now if they decide to add 4 teams then I could see UCF and USF going together. Otherwise, common sense would say add Houston and Boise.

you assumption is that they see that as a mistake..
byu & uc are the front runners for me too... but at 4 i think they'd island ucf..

(08-10-2021 11:45 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 11:41 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  I don't think you will see the Big 12 make the same mistake with UCF as they did with WVU. The Mounties couldn't be anymore of an outlier in the Big 12 and UCF would be even worst. UCF only makes sense if you invite USF; otherwise the logical choice outside of BYU would be Cincy to connect WVU to the rest of the Big 12.

Now if they decide to add 4 teams then I could see UCF and USF going together. Otherwise, common sense would say add Houston and Boise.

you assumption is that they see that as a mistake..
byu & uc are the front runners for me too... but at 4 i think they'd island ucf..

To be honest, I wouldn't fault the Big 12 if they added UCF and USF along with the other four programs for various reasons.

(08-10-2021 11:42 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 10:50 AM)panama Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 10:41 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 10:01 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 09:54 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I suspect what will happen is that a year or two from now, once the settlement with TX and OU happens, the L8 will expand by two to get back to 10. I expect Cincy to be one of those two schools, and maybe one more AAC school as well, should BYU turn the L8 down.

We will then make a pitch for Army, who will decline, and end up adding two from App State, Georgia State and UAB.

With all due respect, UC has a vey low ceiling, if the BIG XII adds 2 BYU will be #1 and UCF #2... I believe ESPN has different ideas as to what they are willing to pay for.

Assuming that is correct, can we agree that UC was a top 10 type team to end the season last year and is a top 10 type team to start this one? Help me understand... Is this the low ceiling you mention?

This guy is great.

A lot of personal preferences and biases coming out in these posts. Incredible. Cincinnati is really good AND in the #5 recruiting ground.

To back up GoOwls’ argument, UC makes it into the Coaches Poll Top 10 but only at #10. Low ceiling... the struggle is real.

https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/po...021-08-10/

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(08-10-2021 10:33 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 10:18 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 10:01 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 09:54 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 09:49 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  When this is over I will be laughing at the folks that have moving trucks in their driveway and nowhere to go, better hope that none of the AAC members are on that list "because your president was smart enough" to think clearly.

I suspect what will happen is that a year or two from now, once the settlement with TX and OU happens, the L8 will expand by two to get back to 10. I expect Cincy to be one of those two schools, and maybe one more AAC school as well, should BYU turn the L8 down.

We will then make a pitch for Army, who will decline, and end up adding two from App State, Georgia State and UAB.

With all due respect, UC has a vey low ceiling, if the BIG XII adds 2 BYU will be #1 and UCF #2... I believe ESPN has different ideas as to what they are willing to pay for.

If they don’t lose anyone else and add BYU and UCF then they will maintain their P5 status.

They probably maintain power status regardless of who they add---just like the Big East maintained AQ/power status after the first ACC raid. They would still be getting a full share of the CFP (which now looks much less likely to be remade and expanded prior to expiration), still have autonomous powers, and will still have a much larger TV deal than any G5 (especially if the AAC takes a pay cut). It aint the SEC---but after raiding two to 4 of the AAC's top schools---the Big12 will be well in front of any non-power conference and will resemble a P5 far more than a G5.

The B12 will experience the same fate as the BE did. They’ll hold onto power status through the end of the current CFP contract. Then they’ll lose it in the next contract. If a conference has no top 10 - 15 football brands it isn’t a power conference. The B12 without OU and UT doesn’t have any football brands even in the top 25.

The B12 will be a more lucrative and higher performing version of the AAC but the media and the CFP committee won’t treat the B12 as a power conference and that’s really all that matters.

If the remaining Big 12 schools are smart they would take all the best remaining and go to anywhere from 14-16 teams.

BYU
Cincy
UCF
USF
Houston
Memphis

That would put them at 14. I’m not sure anyone else is worth going to 16 but I would 100% take those 6 to get to 14 if I’m them.

That would solidify them as the #5 conference in the country and honestly gives them a good chance of maintaining their Power Conference status.

(08-10-2021 12:45 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 10:33 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 10:18 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 10:01 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 09:54 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I suspect what will happen is that a year or two from now, once the settlement with TX and OU happens, the L8 will expand by two to get back to 10. I expect Cincy to be one of those two schools, and maybe one more AAC school as well, should BYU turn the L8 down.

We will then make a pitch for Army, who will decline, and end up adding two from App State, Georgia State and UAB.

With all due respect, UC has a vey low ceiling, if the BIG XII adds 2 BYU will be #1 and UCF #2... I believe ESPN has different ideas as to what they are willing to pay for.

If they don’t lose anyone else and add BYU and UCF then they will maintain their P5 status.

They probably maintain power status regardless of who they add---just like the Big East maintained AQ/power status after the first ACC raid. They would still be getting a full share of the CFP (which now looks much less likely to be remade and expanded prior to expiration), still have autonomous powers, and will still have a much larger TV deal than any G5 (especially if the AAC takes a pay cut). It aint the SEC---but after raiding two to 4 of the AAC's top schools---the Big12 will be well in front of any non-power conference and will resemble a P5 far more than a G5.

The B12 will experience the same fate as the BE did. They’ll hold onto power status through the end of the current CFP contract. Then they’ll lose it in the next contract. If a conference has no top 10 - 15 football brands it isn’t a power conference. The B12 without OU and UT doesn’t have any football brands even in the top 25.

The B12 will be a more lucrative and higher performing version of the AAC but the media and the CFP committee won’t treat the B12 as a power conference and that’s really all that matters.

Oklahoma state finished ranked 8 of the last 12 years. They were ranked at various points of some of those years they didn't finish, and have had a winning record all but two seasons this century.

(08-10-2021 01:01 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 12:45 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 10:33 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 10:18 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 10:01 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  With all due respect, UC has a vey low ceiling, if the BIG XII adds 2 BYU will be #1 and UCF #2... I believe ESPN has different ideas as to what they are willing to pay for.

If they don’t lose anyone else and add BYU and UCF then they will maintain their P5 status.

They probably maintain power status regardless of who they add---just like the Big East maintained AQ/power status after the first ACC raid. They would still be getting a full share of the CFP (which now looks much less likely to be remade and expanded prior to expiration), still have autonomous powers, and will still have a much larger TV deal than any G5 (especially if the AAC takes a pay cut). It aint the SEC---but after raiding two to 4 of the AAC's top schools---the Big12 will be well in front of any non-power conference and will resemble a P5 far more than a G5.

The B12 will experience the same fate as the BE did. They’ll hold onto power status through the end of the current CFP contract. Then they’ll lose it in the next contract. If a conference has no top 10 - 15 football brands it isn’t a power conference. The B12 without OU and UT doesn’t have any football brands even in the top 25.

The B12 will be a more lucrative and higher performing version of the AAC but the media and the CFP committee won’t treat the B12 as a power conference and that’s really all that matters.

Oklahoma state finished ranked 8 of the last 12 years. They were ranked at various points of some of those years they didn't finish, and have had a winning record all but two seasons this century.

They’re the second most popular team in a state of 4 million and have a very limited brand nationally. Power status is about brand first and performance second. This is the reason why the eight remainers are struggling to and likely won’t find homes in a power conference.

I don't think the Big 12 schools will willingly associate with any G5 school. It will be the option of last resort. They will explore every other option first, including doing nothing at all.

(08-10-2021 10:01 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 09:54 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 09:49 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  When this is over I will be laughing at the folks that have moving trucks in their driveway and nowhere to go, better hope that none of the AAC members are on that list "because your president was smart enough" to think clearly.

I suspect what will happen is that a year or two from now, once the settlement with TX and OU happens, the L8 will expand by two to get back to 10. I expect Cincy to be one of those two schools, and maybe one more AAC school as well, should BYU turn the L8 down.

We will then make a pitch for Army, who will decline, and end up adding two from App State, Georgia State and UAB.

With all due respect, UC has a vey low ceiling, if the BIG XII adds 2 BYU will be #1 and UCF #2... I believe ESPN has different ideas as to what they are willing to pay for.

If UC has a "very low ceiling" then what would we say about Temple? That they are in the basement?

Something or other about living in glass houses and throwing rocks.

(08-10-2021 01:21 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 01:01 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 12:45 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 10:33 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 10:18 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  If they don’t lose anyone else and add BYU and UCF then they will maintain their P5 status.

They probably maintain power status regardless of who they add---just like the Big East maintained AQ/power status after the first ACC raid. They would still be getting a full share of the CFP (which now looks much less likely to be remade and expanded prior to expiration), still have autonomous powers, and will still have a much larger TV deal than any G5 (especially if the AAC takes a pay cut). It aint the SEC---but after raiding two to 4 of the AAC's top schools---the Big12 will be well in front of any non-power conference and will resemble a P5 far more than a G5.

The B12 will experience the same fate as the BE did. They’ll hold onto power status through the end of the current CFP contract. Then they’ll lose it in the next contract. If a conference has no top 10 - 15 football brands it isn’t a power conference. The B12 without OU and UT doesn’t have any football brands even in the top 25.

The B12 will be a more lucrative and higher performing version of the AAC but the media and the CFP committee won’t treat the B12 as a power conference and that’s really all that matters.

Oklahoma state finished ranked 8 of the last 12 years. They were ranked at various points of some of those years they didn't finish, and have had a winning record all but two seasons this century.

They’re the second most popular team in a state of 4 million and have a very limited brand nationally. Power status is about brand first and performance second. This is the reason why the eight remainers are struggling to and likely won’t find homes in a power conference.

It's still probably the best out of our two conferences except maybe Kansas...wvu?

If you can find your team in some lame store like LIDS or Tervis or some kind of fan store more than 5 hours from campus, you're probably doing okay in this department.

(08-10-2021 01:26 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  I don't think the Big 12 schools will willingly associate with any G5 school. It will be the option of last resort. They will explore every other option first, including doing nothing at all.

cincy was in a aq league just 8 years ago, so was usf.... most of the big12 was in the swc with houston for about 40 years, and with smu about 80years .. byu has a national championship.. tulane was SEC for 60 years

association with g5 isnt the issue with the amount of teams they need.. its that none of us bring in the kind of money they lose with texas and ou

(08-10-2021 01:32 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 01:26 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  I don't think the Big 12 schools will willingly associate with any G5 school. It will be the option of last resort. They will explore every other option first, including doing nothing at all.

cincy was in a aq league just 8 years ago, so was usf.... most of the big12 was in the swc with houston for about 40 years, and with smu about 80years .. byu has a national championship.. tulane was SEC for 60 years

association with g5 isnt the issue with the amount of teams they need.. its that none of us bring in the kind of money they lose with texas and ou

8 years is way beyond the memory of anyone in sports.

Cincinnati, USF, UConn etc., were never considered "AQ" brands by the establishment driving these decisions, and if anything, that history is something the B12 will consider closely. Adding those schools DIDN'T help the Big East. For schools losing association with two $100million+ brands, I think it's doubtful they see their solution as partnering with brands they feel are inferior to themselves. I'm not saying they won't end up there, but they're going to try to avoid it at all costs.

(08-10-2021 01:32 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 01:21 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 01:01 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 12:45 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 10:33 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  They probably maintain power status regardless of who they add---just like the Big East maintained AQ/power status after the first ACC raid. They would still be getting a full share of the CFP (which now looks much less likely to be remade and expanded prior to expiration), still have autonomous powers, and will still have a much larger TV deal than any G5 (especially if the AAC takes a pay cut). It aint the SEC---but after raiding two to 4 of the AAC's top schools---the Big12 will be well in front of any non-power conference and will resemble a P5 far more than a G5.

The B12 will experience the same fate as the BE did. They’ll hold onto power status through the end of the current CFP contract. Then they’ll lose it in the next contract. If a conference has no top 10 - 15 football brands it isn’t a power conference. The B12 without OU and UT doesn’t have any football brands even in the top 25.

The B12 will be a more lucrative and higher performing version of the AAC but the media and the CFP committee won’t treat the B12 as a power conference and that’s really all that matters.

Oklahoma state finished ranked 8 of the last 12 years. They were ranked at various points of some of those years they didn't finish, and have had a winning record all but two seasons this century.

They’re the second most popular team in a state of 4 million and have a very limited brand nationally. Power status is about brand first and performance second. This is the reason why the eight remainers are struggling to and likely won’t find homes in a power conference.

It's still probably the best out of our two conferences except maybe Kansas...wvu?

If you can find your team in some lame store like LIDS or Tervis or some kind of fan store more than 5 hours from campus, you're probably doing okay in this department.

OK State is probably the strongest football brand left in the B12. The problem for OK State and the other seven is that their brand is nowhere near strong enough to carry the conference on their own. Texas could have done that. Oklahoma too. OK State, nope.

(08-10-2021 11:41 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 10:23 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 10:18 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 10:01 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 09:54 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I suspect what will happen is that a year or two from now, once the settlement with TX and OU happens, the L8 will expand by two to get back to 10. I expect Cincy to be one of those two schools, and maybe one more AAC school as well, should BYU turn the L8 down.

We will then make a pitch for Army, who will decline, and end up adding two from App State, Georgia State and UAB.

With all due respect, UC has a vey low ceiling, if the BIG XII adds 2 BYU will be #1 and UCF #2... I believe ESPN has different ideas as to what they are willing to pay for.

If they don’t lose anyone else and add BYU and UCF then they will maintain their P5 status.

I'm not saying they will add anyone or those 2, but BYU and UCF are the best that the BIG XII should get.

I don't think you will see the Big 12 make the same mistake with UCF as they did with WVU. The Mounties couldn't be anymore of an outlier in the Big 12 and UCF would be even worst. UCF only makes sense if you invite USF; otherwise the logical choice outside of BYU would be Cincy to connect WVU to the rest of the Big 12.

Now if they decide to add 4 teams then I could see UCF and USF going together. Otherwise, common sense would say add Houston and Boise.

You said they wouldn’t make the same mistake and then said Boise is the logical choice.

That would just be Boise on an island just like WVU was.

If they add two, I think it will be 2 of Houston, Cinci or BYU. Cinci basically has a lock on an invite. Everyone is trying to get that second slot.

I agree about USF. If they take 2, we’re not going anywhere. If they take 4, then our chances are greater. If they take 6, I think USF is a lock.

I don’t see Boise getting the call. We all know there are some teams in the AAC that are worth more than others.
In the MWC there is no other team more valuable than Boise and they make less than any of the AAC teams (but it’s close).

To me that signals that Boise is at their highest value. They have a side deal and don’t make what we make. That’s a fairly good indicator of value, which means the top teams in the AAC are worth more than Boise.