(08-12-2021 03:16 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-12-2021 10:45 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I think he’s day drinking now.

I don’t think UC fans are telling anyone they are going to the B12.

If the B12 expands in a couple years, I do like UC’s chances of being on the very short list.

no uc fan has guaranteed a raid, but ive seen numerous uc posters talk very confidently that "if" there is a raid they will selected

I guess I’m less than others since I think they may look West as well as East when they inevitably expand. Who knows what the B12 will value when they make a move. Anyone that tells you they are sure is making it up as they go.

(08-12-2021 03:38 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(08-12-2021 03:16 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-12-2021 10:45 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I think he’s day drinking now.

I don’t think UC fans are telling anyone they are going to the B12.

If the B12 expands in a couple years, I do like UC’s chances of being on the very short list.

no uc fan has guaranteed a raid, but ive seen numerous uc posters talk very confidently that "if" there is a raid they will selected

I guess I’m less than others since I think they may look West as well as East when they inevitably expand. Who knows what the B12 will value when they make a move. Anyone that tells you they are sure is making it up as they go.

If W Virginia gets a lifeboat to the ACC---I think thats more likely. Otherwise, with W Virginia already stretching the footprint pretty far east---and given that most of the nations population is in the east---it makes more sense to generally fill in the footprint's eastern side when it comes time to pick up schools.

(08-09-2021 03:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  So lets go---Most likely scenario where we lose 4. I'll stick with Houston and SMU being left out so nobody gets all bent out of shape.

SMU
Houston
Tulane
Tulsa
ECU
Temple
Navy--returns to indy

No choice---have to add at least 2 just to be a conference. As I mentioned before, the conference looks like your at the bowling alley trying to somehow pick up a spare after your first ball split the pins. The AAC lost the programs doing the most winning. We lost 4 major cities. We lost 3 top 200 USNWP universities. We lost 4 large major public schools. We need wins, big public schools, markets, and preferably top 200 USNWR academics. lol---good luck with that. So--split the difference. One add for academics, one add for athletics.

UAB theoretically gives you wins---but zero confidence that lasts 10 seconds after Clark leaves. Regardless---UAB gives you decent academics and a decent metro. I continue to be skeptical they can keep it going or that Birmingham gives a crap about watching UAB----but what are you going to do?

AppSt gives you wins---and a regional school that is in no way academically elite. We need some wins---so work with me here.

There are 4 or 5 schools near or over 40K in enrollment available to us. TxSt, North Tx, UTSA, Georgia St, and FAU. None are in the top 200 USNWR schools and none are worth a crap at football. One thing we could use more of is big public schools after losing 4 big public schools---but adding any of these just would be a roll of the dice right now---so Im passing on those. There are only two schools left in our potential replacement school pool that consistently win games through multiple coaches and leagues. Marshall and LaTech.

LaTech---group ranked 298-389 by USNWR and sits in Ruston---not exactly a major metro. They dont fit us at all---but they win games. Consistently. Like I said---work with me here---I'm going to give you an academic pick to balance this---but I needed a western public university that isnt the size of Rice or Tulsa. We need some bigger schools that win and this was basically my only option. I really like the sound and potential of Texas St (4th largest school in Texas behind UT, Aggie, and Houston) sitting 45 minutes north of San Antonio and 30 minutes south of Austin---but they just dont seem to win any games. Thus, LaTech it is.


Buffalo---Ranked #88 by USNWR---they actually win every once in a while in football and have improved in basketball. Its an eastern public with 22K students in a large metro that stakes a claim to some of the state of NY. Time for Buffalo to go back to the New York rebrand. I'd require that if they are going to get the AAC invite. Thats the educational pick to balance LaTech.



Id also make a run at Dayton, St Louis, and VCU. Cant hurt to try.

East--
ECU
Temple
App St
Buffalo
UAB

West
Houston
SMU
Tulsa
Tulane
LaTech


Non-football
Wichita
Dayton
St Louis
VCU

If Navy stays---then we only need to take 3 of the picks discussed.

LaTechs athletic budget is going backwards. Their new facilities were financed 100% by FEMA. They do win, they are never great and never terrible which says a lot about a G5 program. They’ve never finished the season ranked in the top 25 in football. Haven’t made March Madmess in 30+ years. They are also located in a dying part of the state. Not a very attractive candidate for the AAC.

(08-12-2021 06:02 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(08-09-2021 03:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  So lets go---Most likely scenario where we lose 4. I'll stick with Houston and SMU being left out so nobody gets all bent out of shape.

SMU
Houston
Tulane
Tulsa
ECU
Temple
Navy--returns to indy

No choice---have to add at least 2 just to be a conference. As I mentioned before, the conference looks like your at the bowling alley trying to somehow pick up a spare after your first ball split the pins. The AAC lost the programs doing the most winning. We lost 4 major cities. We lost 3 top 200 USNWP universities. We lost 4 large major public schools. We need wins, big public schools, markets, and preferably top 200 USNWR academics. lol---good luck with that. So--split the difference. One add for academics, one add for athletics.

UAB theoretically gives you wins---but zero confidence that lasts 10 seconds after Clark leaves. Regardless---UAB gives you decent academics and a decent metro. I continue to be skeptical they can keep it going or that Birmingham gives a crap about watching UAB----but what are you going to do?

AppSt gives you wins---and a regional school that is in no way academically elite. We need some wins---so work with me here.

There are 4 or 5 schools near or over 40K in enrollment available to us. TxSt, North Tx, UTSA, Georgia St, and FAU. None are in the top 200 USNWR schools and none are worth a crap at football. One thing we could use more of is big public schools after losing 4 big public schools---but adding any of these just would be a roll of the dice right now---so Im passing on those. There are only two schools left in our potential replacement school pool that consistently win games through multiple coaches and leagues. Marshall and LaTech.

LaTech---group ranked 298-389 by USNWR and sits in Ruston---not exactly a major metro. They dont fit us at all---but they win games. Consistently. Like I said---work with me here---I'm going to give you an academic pick to balance this---but I needed a western public university that isnt the size of Rice or Tulsa. We need some bigger schools that win and this was basically my only option. I really like the sound and potential of Texas St (4th largest school in Texas behind UT, Aggie, and Houston) sitting 45 minutes north of San Antonio and 30 minutes south of Austin---but they just dont seem to win any games. Thus, LaTech it is.


Buffalo---Ranked #88 by USNWR---they actually win every once in a while in football and have improved in basketball. Its an eastern public with 22K students in a large metro that stakes a claim to some of the state of NY. Time for Buffalo to go back to the New York rebrand. I'd require that if they are going to get the AAC invite. Thats the educational pick to balance LaTech.



Id also make a run at Dayton, St Louis, and VCU. Cant hurt to try.

East--
ECU
Temple
App St
Buffalo
UAB

West
Houston
SMU
Tulsa
Tulane
LaTech


Non-football
Wichita
Dayton
St Louis
VCU

If Navy stays---then we only need to take 3 of the picks discussed.

LaTechs athletic budget is going backwards. Their new facilities were financed 100% by FEMA. They do win, they are never great and never terrible which says a lot about a G5 program. They’ve never finished the season ranked in the top 25 in football. Haven’t made March Madmess in 30+ years. They are also located in a dying part of the state. Not a very attractive candidate for the AAC.

Of course your AD tried $2 beer and $1 hot dogs and the students STILL refused to show up to games. lol---what the heck is wrong with those kids??? That said---if we end up in regional leagues, Id be ok with both ULL and LaTech. The regional league concept I kind of played around with would be a redux of the SWC with a twist. Rather than virtually all the teams being in Texas, just one division would be in Texas, and the other division would be out of state. The CCG would always pit a Texas school vs a non-Texas school. Additionally, there would be lots of rivalries built in. It would look something like this---

SWC REDUX

Texas Division
Houston
Rice
SMU
N Texas
UTSA
Texas St

SW Division

Tulsa
ArkSt
S Miss
Tulane
LaTech
ULL

It reforms the old footprint of the SWC and adds to it. You get built in rivalries in Rice-Houston, N Texas-SMU, TxSt-UTSA, and ULL-LaTech. Probably not gunna get a trillion bucks from the networks or win a national championship--but it would have a lot of built-in rivalry games and generate a lot of heated crankiness among fans. Plenty of driveable games. If we end up getting kicked to curb by superconferences---something like this could still be pretty fun.

(08-12-2021 06:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-12-2021 06:02 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(08-09-2021 03:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  So lets go---Most likely scenario where we lose 4. I'll stick with Houston and SMU being left out so nobody gets all bent out of shape.

SMU
Houston
Tulane
Tulsa
ECU
Temple
Navy--returns to indy

No choice---have to add at least 2 just to be a conference. As I mentioned before, the conference looks like your at the bowling alley trying to somehow pick up a spare after your first ball split the pins. The AAC lost the programs doing the most winning. We lost 4 major cities. We lost 3 top 200 USNWP universities. We lost 4 large major public schools. We need wins, big public schools, markets, and preferably top 200 USNWR academics. lol---good luck with that. So--split the difference. One add for academics, one add for athletics.

UAB theoretically gives you wins---but zero confidence that lasts 10 seconds after Clark leaves. Regardless---UAB gives you decent academics and a decent metro. I continue to be skeptical they can keep it going or that Birmingham gives a crap about watching UAB----but what are you going to do?

AppSt gives you wins---and a regional school that is in no way academically elite. We need some wins---so work with me here.

There are 4 or 5 schools near or over 40K in enrollment available to us. TxSt, North Tx, UTSA, Georgia St, and FAU. None are in the top 200 USNWR schools and none are worth a crap at football. One thing we could use more of is big public schools after losing 4 big public schools---but adding any of these just would be a roll of the dice right now---so Im passing on those. There are only two schools left in our potential replacement school pool that consistently win games through multiple coaches and leagues. Marshall and LaTech.

LaTech---group ranked 298-389 by USNWR and sits in Ruston---not exactly a major metro. They dont fit us at all---but they win games. Consistently. Like I said---work with me here---I'm going to give you an academic pick to balance this---but I needed a western public university that isnt the size of Rice or Tulsa. We need some bigger schools that win and this was basically my only option. I really like the sound and potential of Texas St (4th largest school in Texas behind UT, Aggie, and Houston) sitting 45 minutes north of San Antonio and 30 minutes south of Austin---but they just dont seem to win any games. Thus, LaTech it is.


Buffalo---Ranked #88 by USNWR---they actually win every once in a while in football and have improved in basketball. Its an eastern public with 22K students in a large metro that stakes a claim to some of the state of NY. Time for Buffalo to go back to the New York rebrand. I'd require that if they are going to get the AAC invite. Thats the educational pick to balance LaTech.



Id also make a run at Dayton, St Louis, and VCU. Cant hurt to try.

East--
ECU
Temple
App St
Buffalo
UAB

West
Houston
SMU
Tulsa
Tulane
LaTech


Non-football
Wichita
Dayton
St Louis
VCU

If Navy stays---then we only need to take 3 of the picks discussed.

LaTechs athletic budget is going backwards. Their new facilities were financed 100% by FEMA. They do win, they are never great and never terrible which says a lot about a G5 program. They’ve never finished the season ranked in the top 25 in football. Haven’t made March Madmess in 30+ years. They are also located in a dying part of the state. Not a very attractive candidate for the AAC.

Of course your AD tried $2 beer and $1 hot dogs and the students STILL refused to show up to games. lol---what the heck is wrong with those kids??? That said---if we end up in regional leagues, Id be ok with both ULL and LaTech. The regional league concept I kind of played around with would be a redux of the SWC with a twist. Rather than virtually all the teams being in Texas, just one division would be in Texas, and the other division would be out of state. The CCG would always pit a Texas school vs a non-Texas school. Additionally, there would be lots of rivalries built in. It would look something like this---

SWC REDUX

Texas Division
Houston
Rice
SMU
N Texas
UTSA
Texas St

SW Division

Tulsa
ArkSt
S Miss
Tulane
LaTech
ULL

It reforms the old footprint of the SWC and adds to it. You get built in rivalries in Rice-Houston, N Texas-SMU, TxSt-UTSA, and ULL-LaTech. Probably not gunna get a trillion bucks from the networks or win a national championship--but it would have a lot of built-in rivalry games and generate a lot of heated crankiness among fans. Plenty of driveable games. If we end up getting kicked to curb by superconferences---something like this could still be pretty fun.

Gross, we wouldn’t be caught dead in a division like that. Our administration would never allow that to happen.

(08-12-2021 06:41 PM)Thewavefan Wrote:  

(08-12-2021 06:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-12-2021 06:02 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(08-09-2021 03:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  So lets go---Most likely scenario where we lose 4. I'll stick with Houston and SMU being left out so nobody gets all bent out of shape.

SMU
Houston
Tulane
Tulsa
ECU
Temple
Navy--returns to indy

No choice---have to add at least 2 just to be a conference. As I mentioned before, the conference looks like your at the bowling alley trying to somehow pick up a spare after your first ball split the pins. The AAC lost the programs doing the most winning. We lost 4 major cities. We lost 3 top 200 USNWP universities. We lost 4 large major public schools. We need wins, big public schools, markets, and preferably top 200 USNWR academics. lol---good luck with that. So--split the difference. One add for academics, one add for athletics.

UAB theoretically gives you wins---but zero confidence that lasts 10 seconds after Clark leaves. Regardless---UAB gives you decent academics and a decent metro. I continue to be skeptical they can keep it going or that Birmingham gives a crap about watching UAB----but what are you going to do?

AppSt gives you wins---and a regional school that is in no way academically elite. We need some wins---so work with me here.

There are 4 or 5 schools near or over 40K in enrollment available to us. TxSt, North Tx, UTSA, Georgia St, and FAU. None are in the top 200 USNWR schools and none are worth a crap at football. One thing we could use more of is big public schools after losing 4 big public schools---but adding any of these just would be a roll of the dice right now---so Im passing on those. There are only two schools left in our potential replacement school pool that consistently win games through multiple coaches and leagues. Marshall and LaTech.

LaTech---group ranked 298-389 by USNWR and sits in Ruston---not exactly a major metro. They dont fit us at all---but they win games. Consistently. Like I said---work with me here---I'm going to give you an academic pick to balance this---but I needed a western public university that isnt the size of Rice or Tulsa. We need some bigger schools that win and this was basically my only option. I really like the sound and potential of Texas St (4th largest school in Texas behind UT, Aggie, and Houston) sitting 45 minutes north of San Antonio and 30 minutes south of Austin---but they just dont seem to win any games. Thus, LaTech it is.


Buffalo---Ranked #88 by USNWR---they actually win every once in a while in football and have improved in basketball. Its an eastern public with 22K students in a large metro that stakes a claim to some of the state of NY. Time for Buffalo to go back to the New York rebrand. I'd require that if they are going to get the AAC invite. Thats the educational pick to balance LaTech.



Id also make a run at Dayton, St Louis, and VCU. Cant hurt to try.

East--
ECU
Temple
App St
Buffalo
UAB

West
Houston
SMU
Tulsa
Tulane
LaTech


Non-football
Wichita
Dayton
St Louis
VCU

If Navy stays---then we only need to take 3 of the picks discussed.

LaTechs athletic budget is going backwards. Their new facilities were financed 100% by FEMA. They do win, they are never great and never terrible which says a lot about a G5 program. They’ve never finished the season ranked in the top 25 in football. Haven’t made March Madmess in 30+ years. They are also located in a dying part of the state. Not a very attractive candidate for the AAC.

Of course your AD tried $2 beer and $1 hot dogs and the students STILL refused to show up to games. lol---what the heck is wrong with those kids??? That said---if we end up in regional leagues, Id be ok with both ULL and LaTech. The regional league concept I kind of played around with would be a redux of the SWC with a twist. Rather than virtually all the teams being in Texas, just one division would be in Texas, and the other division would be out of state. The CCG would always pit a Texas school vs a non-Texas school. Additionally, there would be lots of rivalries built in. It would look something like this---

SWC REDUX

Texas Division
Houston
Rice
SMU
N Texas
UTSA
Texas St

SW Division

Tulsa
ArkSt
S Miss
Tulane
LaTech
ULL

It reforms the old footprint of the SWC and adds to it. You get built in rivalries in Rice-Houston, N Texas-SMU, TxSt-UTSA, and ULL-LaTech. Probably not gunna get a trillion bucks from the networks or win a national championship--but it would have a lot of built-in rivalry games and generate a lot of heated crankiness among fans. Plenty of driveable games. If we end up getting kicked to curb by superconferences---something like this could still be pretty fun.

Gross, we wouldn’t be caught dead in a division like that. Our administration would never allow that to happen.

Tulane was in a MUCH WORSE division than this prior to joining the AAC for one year. We had a horrific team and still went 7-5.

This division is not weak in FB performance - none of those teams are "dregs" that go 2-10 every year.

Baseball in this division would be nasty AF. EASY multibid league.

Basketball would be total pants - but it's not like Tulane has a basketball "brand" to defend.

The issue here is that Tulane would not be happy from an institutional POV. Tulane wants a more national reach when advertising and recruiting students - and this league doesn't help at all on that front. Tulane probably likes how AAC programs are all over the place as the brand travels nationally as a result.

(08-12-2021 06:57 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(08-12-2021 06:41 PM)Thewavefan Wrote:  

(08-12-2021 06:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-12-2021 06:02 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(08-09-2021 03:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  So lets go---Most likely scenario where we lose 4. I'll stick with Houston and SMU being left out so nobody gets all bent out of shape.

SMU
Houston
Tulane
Tulsa
ECU
Temple
Navy--returns to indy

No choice---have to add at least 2 just to be a conference. As I mentioned before, the conference looks like your at the bowling alley trying to somehow pick up a spare after your first ball split the pins. The AAC lost the programs doing the most winning. We lost 4 major cities. We lost 3 top 200 USNWP universities. We lost 4 large major public schools. We need wins, big public schools, markets, and preferably top 200 USNWR academics. lol---good luck with that. So--split the difference. One add for academics, one add for athletics.

UAB theoretically gives you wins---but zero confidence that lasts 10 seconds after Clark leaves. Regardless---UAB gives you decent academics and a decent metro. I continue to be skeptical they can keep it going or that Birmingham gives a crap about watching UAB----but what are you going to do?

AppSt gives you wins---and a regional school that is in no way academically elite. We need some wins---so work with me here.

There are 4 or 5 schools near or over 40K in enrollment available to us. TxSt, North Tx, UTSA, Georgia St, and FAU. None are in the top 200 USNWR schools and none are worth a crap at football. One thing we could use more of is big public schools after losing 4 big public schools---but adding any of these just would be a roll of the dice right now---so Im passing on those. There are only two schools left in our potential replacement school pool that consistently win games through multiple coaches and leagues. Marshall and LaTech.

LaTech---group ranked 298-389 by USNWR and sits in Ruston---not exactly a major metro. They dont fit us at all---but they win games. Consistently. Like I said---work with me here---I'm going to give you an academic pick to balance this---but I needed a western public university that isnt the size of Rice or Tulsa. We need some bigger schools that win and this was basically my only option. I really like the sound and potential of Texas St (4th largest school in Texas behind UT, Aggie, and Houston) sitting 45 minutes north of San Antonio and 30 minutes south of Austin---but they just dont seem to win any games. Thus, LaTech it is.


Buffalo---Ranked #88 by USNWR---they actually win every once in a while in football and have improved in basketball. Its an eastern public with 22K students in a large metro that stakes a claim to some of the state of NY. Time for Buffalo to go back to the New York rebrand. I'd require that if they are going to get the AAC invite. Thats the educational pick to balance LaTech.



Id also make a run at Dayton, St Louis, and VCU. Cant hurt to try.

East--
ECU
Temple
App St
Buffalo
UAB

West
Houston
SMU
Tulsa
Tulane
LaTech


Non-football
Wichita
Dayton
St Louis
VCU

If Navy stays---then we only need to take 3 of the picks discussed.

LaTechs athletic budget is going backwards. Their new facilities were financed 100% by FEMA. They do win, they are never great and never terrible which says a lot about a G5 program. They’ve never finished the season ranked in the top 25 in football. Haven’t made March Madmess in 30+ years. They are also located in a dying part of the state. Not a very attractive candidate for the AAC.

Of course your AD tried $2 beer and $1 hot dogs and the students STILL refused to show up to games. lol---what the heck is wrong with those kids??? That said---if we end up in regional leagues, Id be ok with both ULL and LaTech. The regional league concept I kind of played around with would be a redux of the SWC with a twist. Rather than virtually all the teams being in Texas, just one division would be in Texas, and the other division would be out of state. The CCG would always pit a Texas school vs a non-Texas school. Additionally, there would be lots of rivalries built in. It would look something like this---

SWC REDUX

Texas Division
Houston
Rice
SMU
N Texas
UTSA
Texas St

SW Division

Tulsa
ArkSt
S Miss
Tulane
LaTech
ULL

It reforms the old footprint of the SWC and adds to it. You get built in rivalries in Rice-Houston, N Texas-SMU, TxSt-UTSA, and ULL-LaTech. Probably not gunna get a trillion bucks from the networks or win a national championship--but it would have a lot of built-in rivalry games and generate a lot of heated crankiness among fans. Plenty of driveable games. If we end up getting kicked to curb by superconferences---something like this could still be pretty fun.

Gross, we wouldn’t be caught dead in a division like that. Our administration would never allow that to happen.

Tulane was in a MUCH WORSE division than this prior to joining the AAC for one year. We had a horrific team and still went 7-5.

This division is not weak in FB performance - none of those teams are "dregs" that go 2-10 every year.

Baseball in this division would be nasty AF. EASY multibid league.

Basketball would be total pants - but it's not like Tulane has a basketball "brand" to defend.

The issue here is that Tulane would not be happy from an institutional POV. Tulane wants a more national reach when advertising and recruiting students - and this league doesn't help at all on that front. Tulane probably likes how AAC programs are all over the place as the brand travels nationally as a result.

To be fair, this is kind of a “The P5 splits off into a mini NFL and the rest pick up the pieces” scenario. If Tulane says no—UAB could be a viable option. UAB and S Miss have a bit of a rivalry so that could work as well. Point is—if we get to this—it means the SHHTF and organizing into a fun little regional league is the only option left.