(08-11-2021 09:53 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/09/movie...eview.html

NYTimes? I remember when they were interested in reporting real news.

(08-11-2021 01:17 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(08-11-2021 09:53 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/09/movie...eview.html

NYTimes? I remember when they were interested in reporting real news.

Well, they aren't my preferred source, either.
But they have a good review of a very interesting documentary.
There are plenty of other reviews out there.
Point being, "media" talks about us being so divisive and polarizing these days - but they are the ones trying to push us there.

(08-12-2021 11:20 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-11-2021 01:17 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(08-11-2021 09:53 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/09/movie...eview.html

NYTimes? I remember when they were interested in reporting real news.

Well, they aren't my preferred source, either.
But they have a good review of a very interesting documentary.
There are plenty of other reviews out there.
Point being, "media" talks about us being so divisive and polarizing these days - but they are the ones trying to push us there.

Agreed

(08-07-2021 09:16 PM)cmt Wrote:  

(08-07-2021 07:06 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(08-07-2021 05:30 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(08-07-2021 04:51 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(08-07-2021 03:54 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  damn..what did thagr8 do to get banned?

Posted a tinfoil hat COVID conspiracy hoax in the main forum.

It was basically a video saying COVID wasn’t real based on what some Canadian official said (prime minister)? Anyway, she has since released comments clarifying and lamenting that the nut jobs are misquoting her.

He went all bonkers when people pushed back and started screaming/in big letters words that some might find offensive. Maybe it got deleted.... I just saw it in passing and haven't looked to see what happened.

It was deserved.

Yes it was
why are so many people I thought were normal, reasonable folks turning into conspiracy thumping morons? The sky ain't falling.

You say that as if conspiracies don't exist...

Anyone who believes in the omnipotence and omnipresence of God and His Word KNOWS the sky WILL eventually fall. We are looking for those signs. "You need a [Covid]passport to do business, buy and sell, etc." looks an awful lot like a sign.

If it were a REAL pandemic, I wouldn't be this suspicious of the powers that be. But this is just marginally worse than the flu. And before you wring your hands and say "BUT PEOPLE ARE DYING!!!!", people die every year from the flu. Are we all going to start wearing masks because of the flu? I'm not.

(08-19-2021 02:07 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(08-07-2021 09:16 PM)cmt Wrote:  

(08-07-2021 07:06 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(08-07-2021 05:30 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(08-07-2021 04:51 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  Posted a tinfoil hat COVID conspiracy hoax in the main forum.

It was basically a video saying COVID wasn’t real based on what some Canadian official said (prime minister)? Anyway, she has since released comments clarifying and lamenting that the nut jobs are misquoting her.

He went all bonkers when people pushed back and started screaming/in big letters words that some might find offensive. Maybe it got deleted.... I just saw it in passing and haven't looked to see what happened.

It was deserved.

Yes it was
why are so many people I thought were normal, reasonable folks turning into conspiracy thumping morons? The sky ain't falling.

You say that as if conspiracies don't exist...

Anyone who believes in the omnipotence and omnipresence of God and His Word KNOWS the sky WILL eventually fall. We are looking for those signs. "You need a [Covid]passport to do business, buy and sell, etc." looks an awful lot like a sign.

If it were a REAL pandemic, I wouldn't be this suspicious of the powers that be. But this is just marginally worse than the flu. And before you wring your hands and say "BUT PEOPLE ARE DYING!!!!", people die every year from the flu. Are we all going to start wearing masks because of the flu? I'm not.

“No shirt no shoes no service” at McDonald’s isn’t a sign of the end times, and neither is “No shirt No shoes No mask no service”.

(08-19-2021 02:10 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(08-19-2021 02:07 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(08-07-2021 09:16 PM)cmt Wrote:  

(08-07-2021 07:06 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(08-07-2021 05:30 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  He went all bonkers when people pushed back and started screaming/in big letters words that some might find offensive. Maybe it got deleted.... I just saw it in passing and haven't looked to see what happened.

It was deserved.

Yes it was
why are so many people I thought were normal, reasonable folks turning into conspiracy thumping morons? The sky ain't falling.

You say that as if conspiracies don't exist...

Anyone who believes in the omnipotence and omnipresence of God and His Word KNOWS the sky WILL eventually fall. We are looking for those signs. "You need a [Covid]passport to do business, buy and sell, etc." looks an awful lot like a sign.

If it were a REAL pandemic, I wouldn't be this suspicious of the powers that be. But this is just marginally worse than the flu. And before you wring your hands and say "BUT PEOPLE ARE DYING!!!!", people die every year from the flu. Are we all going to start wearing masks because of the flu? I'm not.

“No shirt no shoes no service” at McDonald’s isn’t a sign of the end times, and neither is “No shirt No shoes No mask no service”.

I'm not talking about proper apparel, sir. I'm talking about requiring you to inject a substance into your body that has not been fully tested to FDA standards, and has literally killed over 4000 people so far, and still counting. And requiring a passport... I'm not even going to waste my time. To quote the great Andy Dufresne, "how can you be so obtuse? Is it deliberate?"

(08-19-2021 02:20 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(08-19-2021 02:10 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(08-19-2021 02:07 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(08-07-2021 09:16 PM)cmt Wrote:  

(08-07-2021 07:06 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  It was deserved.

Yes it was
why are so many people I thought were normal, reasonable folks turning into conspiracy thumping morons? The sky ain't falling.

You say that as if conspiracies don't exist...

Anyone who believes in the omnipotence and omnipresence of God and His Word KNOWS the sky WILL eventually fall. We are looking for those signs. "You need a [Covid]passport to do business, buy and sell, etc." looks an awful lot like a sign.

If it were a REAL pandemic, I wouldn't be this suspicious of the powers that be. But this is just marginally worse than the flu. And before you wring your hands and say "BUT PEOPLE ARE DYING!!!!", people die every year from the flu. Are we all going to start wearing masks because of the flu? I'm not.

“No shirt no shoes no service” at McDonald’s isn’t a sign of the end times, and neither is “No shirt No shoes No mask no service”.

I'm not talking about proper apparel, sir. I'm talking about requiring you to inject a substance into your body that has not been fully tested to FDA standards, and has literally killed over 4000 people so far, and still counting. And requiring a passport... I'm not even going to waste my time. To quote the great Andy Dufresne, "how can you be so obtuse? Is it deliberate?"

I have yet to see anyone “forced” to inject the vaccine (which has been conditionally approved all year after clinical trials completed, and will get full approval in Sept). You always have a choice. Your employer uses their rights as a private business to enforce the mandate? You’re not a slave… you are free to quit. They require it to attend a football game? Attending football games isn’t an inalienable right.

Do they make you show a drivers license to get on a plane? How about a passport to travel internationally? Is any of that the mark of the beast?

(08-19-2021 02:28 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(08-19-2021 02:20 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(08-19-2021 02:10 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(08-19-2021 02:07 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(08-07-2021 09:16 PM)cmt Wrote:  Yes it was
why are so many people I thought were normal, reasonable folks turning into conspiracy thumping morons? The sky ain't falling.

You say that as if conspiracies don't exist...

Anyone who believes in the omnipotence and omnipresence of God and His Word KNOWS the sky WILL eventually fall. We are looking for those signs. "You need a [Covid]passport to do business, buy and sell, etc." looks an awful lot like a sign.

If it were a REAL pandemic, I wouldn't be this suspicious of the powers that be. But this is just marginally worse than the flu. And before you wring your hands and say "BUT PEOPLE ARE DYING!!!!", people die every year from the flu. Are we all going to start wearing masks because of the flu? I'm not.

“No shirt no shoes no service” at McDonald’s isn’t a sign of the end times, and neither is “No shirt No shoes No mask no service”.

I'm not talking about proper apparel, sir. I'm talking about requiring you to inject a substance into your body that has not been fully tested to FDA standards, and has literally killed over 4000 people so far, and still counting. And requiring a passport... I'm not even going to waste my time. To quote the great Andy Dufresne, "how can you be so obtuse? Is it deliberate?"

I have yet to see anyone “forced” to inject the vaccine (which has been conditionally approved all year after clinical trials completed, and will get full approval in Sept). You always have a choice. Your employer uses their rights as a private business to enforce the mandate? You’re not a slave… you are free to quit. They require it to attend a football game? Attending football games isn’t an inalienable right.

Do they make you show a drivers license to get on a plane? How about a passport to travel internationally? Is any of that the mark of the beast?

I had to go back and read the entire thread to find where “forced” was mentioned. I couldn’t find it. I chose to get vaccinated. I don’t get too wrapped up in what others choose to do. I will say that I’ve never cared for the “if you don’t like it you can quit” approach in any scenario.

(08-20-2021 10:37 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(08-19-2021 02:28 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(08-19-2021 02:20 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(08-19-2021 02:10 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(08-19-2021 02:07 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  You say that as if conspiracies don't exist...

Anyone who believes in the omnipotence and omnipresence of God and His Word KNOWS the sky WILL eventually fall. We are looking for those signs. "You need a [Covid]passport to do business, buy and sell, etc." looks an awful lot like a sign.

If it were a REAL pandemic, I wouldn't be this suspicious of the powers that be. But this is just marginally worse than the flu. And before you wring your hands and say "BUT PEOPLE ARE DYING!!!!", people die every year from the flu. Are we all going to start wearing masks because of the flu? I'm not.

“No shirt no shoes no service” at McDonald’s isn’t a sign of the end times, and neither is “No shirt No shoes No mask no service”.

I'm not talking about proper apparel, sir. I'm talking about requiring you to inject a substance into your body that has not been fully tested to FDA standards, and has literally killed over 4000 people so far, and still counting. And requiring a passport... I'm not even going to waste my time. To quote the great Andy Dufresne, "how can you be so obtuse? Is it deliberate?"

I have yet to see anyone “forced” to inject the vaccine (which has been conditionally approved all year after clinical trials completed, and will get full approval in Sept). You always have a choice. Your employer uses their rights as a private business to enforce the mandate? You’re not a slave… you are free to quit. They require it to attend a football game? Attending football games isn’t an inalienable right.

Do they make you show a drivers license to get on a plane? How about a passport to travel internationally? Is any of that the mark of the beast?

I had to go back and read the entire thread to find where “forced” was mentioned. I couldn’t find it. I chose to get vaccinated. I don’t get too wrapped up in what others choose to do. I will say that I’ve never cared for the “if you don’t like it you can quit” approach in any scenario.

agree. It reminds me of some autocratic full of **** highschool football coach.

(08-20-2021 11:40 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 10:37 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(08-19-2021 02:28 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(08-19-2021 02:20 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(08-19-2021 02:10 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  “No shirt no shoes no service” at McDonald’s isn’t a sign of the end times, and neither is “No shirt No shoes No mask no service”.

I'm not talking about proper apparel, sir. I'm talking about requiring you to inject a substance into your body that has not been fully tested to FDA standards, and has literally killed over 4000 people so far, and still counting. And requiring a passport... I'm not even going to waste my time. To quote the great Andy Dufresne, "how can you be so obtuse? Is it deliberate?"

I have yet to see anyone “forced” to inject the vaccine (which has been conditionally approved all year after clinical trials completed, and will get full approval in Sept). You always have a choice. Your employer uses their rights as a private business to enforce the mandate? You’re not a slave… you are free to quit. They require it to attend a football game? Attending football games isn’t an inalienable right.

Do they make you show a drivers license to get on a plane? How about a passport to travel internationally? Is any of that the mark of the beast?

I had to go back and read the entire thread to find where “forced” was mentioned. I couldn’t find it. I chose to get vaccinated. I don’t get too wrapped up in what others choose to do. I will say that I’ve never cared for the “if you don’t like it you can quit” approach in any scenario.

agree. It reminds me of some autocratic full of **** highschool football coach.

Well, the real question is does a private organization have the right to put limitations on who they hire/fire? In TN, they can send you home for no reason at all. While race/religion are protected classes, not wanting a vaccine is not. So while you may not agree with the institution’s choice on who to employ, I believe they should be allowed to set their own rules for hiring/firing as long as it is legal.

And the post I replied to said “required to inject a substance”. I didn’t use “required”, but “forced” in my choice of words. You’re arguing semantics.

(08-20-2021 12:02 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 11:40 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 10:37 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(08-19-2021 02:28 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(08-19-2021 02:20 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  I'm not talking about proper apparel, sir. I'm talking about requiring you to inject a substance into your body that has not been fully tested to FDA standards, and has literally killed over 4000 people so far, and still counting. And requiring a passport... I'm not even going to waste my time. To quote the great Andy Dufresne, "how can you be so obtuse? Is it deliberate?"

I have yet to see anyone “forced” to inject the vaccine (which has been conditionally approved all year after clinical trials completed, and will get full approval in Sept). You always have a choice. Your employer uses their rights as a private business to enforce the mandate? You’re not a slave… you are free to quit. They require it to attend a football game? Attending football games isn’t an inalienable right.

Do they make you show a drivers license to get on a plane? How about a passport to travel internationally? Is any of that the mark of the beast?

I had to go back and read the entire thread to find where “forced” was mentioned. I couldn’t find it. I chose to get vaccinated. I don’t get too wrapped up in what others choose to do. I will say that I’ve never cared for the “if you don’t like it you can quit” approach in any scenario.

agree. It reminds me of some autocratic full of **** highschool football coach.

Well, the real question is does a private organization have the right to put limitations on who they hire/fire? In TN, they can send you home for no reason at all. While race/religion are protected classes, not wanting a vaccine is not. So while you may not agree with the institution’s choice on who to employ, I believe they should be allowed to set their own rules for hiring/firing as long as it is legal.

And the post I replied to said “required to inject a substance”. I didn’t use “required”, but “forced” in my choice of words. You’re arguing semantics.

I’m not arguing semantics or anything else. You put it quotation marks so I assumed you were quoting someone. My bad.

(08-20-2021 12:02 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 11:40 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 10:37 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(08-19-2021 02:28 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(08-19-2021 02:20 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  I'm not talking about proper apparel, sir. I'm talking about requiring you to inject a substance into your body that has not been fully tested to FDA standards, and has literally killed over 4000 people so far, and still counting. And requiring a passport... I'm not even going to waste my time. To quote the great Andy Dufresne, "how can you be so obtuse? Is it deliberate?"

I have yet to see anyone “forced” to inject the vaccine (which has been conditionally approved all year after clinical trials completed, and will get full approval in Sept). You always have a choice. Your employer uses their rights as a private business to enforce the mandate? You’re not a slave… you are free to quit. They require it to attend a football game? Attending football games isn’t an inalienable right.

Do they make you show a drivers license to get on a plane? How about a passport to travel internationally? Is any of that the mark of the beast?

I had to go back and read the entire thread to find where “forced” was mentioned. I couldn’t find it. I chose to get vaccinated. I don’t get too wrapped up in what others choose to do. I will say that I’ve never cared for the “if you don’t like it you can quit” approach in any scenario.

agree. It reminds me of some autocratic full of **** highschool football coach.

Well, the real question is does a private organization have the right to put limitations on who they hire/fire? In TN, they can send you home for no reason at all. While race/religion are protected classes, not wanting a vaccine is not. So while you may not agree with the institution’s choice on who to employ, I believe they should be allowed to set their own rules for hiring/firing as long as it is legal.

And the post I replied to said “required to inject a substance”. I didn’t use “required”, but “forced” in my choice of words. You’re arguing semantics.

As a business owner, and as an "Architect", it has been explained to me by "the State" that while I am a private business, I am also "a place of public accommodation", which means I am not allowed to throw up the double bird to the ADA and not have grab bars and a roll-under counter in my bathroom. So when you go to some po-dunk BBQ restaurant out in the middle of nowhere, you will encounter bathrooms that don't meet ADA standards, but those restaurants are in violation of Federal law, and can be sued by anyone who has standing.

I say all that to say this: to meet the spirit of that and other "place of public accommodation" laws, businesses should not be allowed to keep me from enjoying the benefits and conveniences of public areas (restaurants, retail shopping, etc.... games at stadia...) simply because I choose to not inject myself with an unproven drug. If you want to protect yourself in that way, that's your business.

And I'll add this, because I'm sure you will repost with "you're not a protected class". This is, in many ways, a religious decision I have made, and there is no greater "protected class" than a religious one. See The First Amendment.

(08-20-2021 03:04 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 12:02 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 11:40 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 10:37 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(08-19-2021 02:28 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  I have yet to see anyone “forced” to inject the vaccine (which has been conditionally approved all year after clinical trials completed, and will get full approval in Sept). You always have a choice. Your employer uses their rights as a private business to enforce the mandate? You’re not a slave… you are free to quit. They require it to attend a football game? Attending football games isn’t an inalienable right.

Do they make you show a drivers license to get on a plane? How about a passport to travel internationally? Is any of that the mark of the beast?

I had to go back and read the entire thread to find where “forced” was mentioned. I couldn’t find it. I chose to get vaccinated. I don’t get too wrapped up in what others choose to do. I will say that I’ve never cared for the “if you don’t like it you can quit” approach in any scenario.

agree. It reminds me of some autocratic full of **** highschool football coach.

Well, the real question is does a private organization have the right to put limitations on who they hire/fire? In TN, they can send you home for no reason at all. While race/religion are protected classes, not wanting a vaccine is not. So while you may not agree with the institution’s choice on who to employ, I believe they should be allowed to set their own rules for hiring/firing as long as it is legal.

And the post I replied to said “required to inject a substance”. I didn’t use “required”, but “forced” in my choice of words. You’re arguing semantics.

As a business owner, and as an "Architect", it has been explained to me by "the State" that while I am a private business, I am also "a place of public accommodation", which means I am not allowed to throw up the double bird to the ADA and not have grab bars and a roll-under counter in my bathroom. So when you go to some po-dunk BBQ restaurant out in the middle of nowhere, you will encounter bathrooms that don't meet ADA standards, but those restaurants are in violation of Federal law, and can be sued by anyone who has standing.

I say all that to say this: to meet the spirit of that and other "place of public accommodation" laws, businesses should not be allowed to keep me from enjoying the benefits and conveniences of public areas (restaurants, retail shopping, etc.... games at stadia...) simply because I choose to not inject myself with an unproven drug. If you want to protect yourself in that way, that's your business.

And I'll add this, because I'm sure you will repost with "you're not a protected class". This is, in many ways, a religious decision I have made, and there is no greater "protected class" than a religious one. See The First Amendment.

What if your religion says you cannot wear a shirt or shoes? Does a restaurant have to serve you anyway? According to the US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), an employer must make reasonable accommodations for employees for religious conflicts. However, those cannot present an "undue hardship" on the employer.

https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/secti...rimination

Quote:Safety Risk Poses Undue Hardship

Patricia alleges she was terminated from her job as a steel mill laborer because of her religion (Pentecostal) after she notified her supervisor that her faith prohibits her from wearing pants, as required by the mill’s dress code, and requested as an accommodation to be permitted to wear a skirt. Management contends that the dress code is essential to the safe and efficient operation of the mill and has evidence that it was imposed following several accidents in which skirts worn by employees were caught in the same type of mill machinery that Patricia operates. Because the evidence establishes that wearing pants is truly necessary for safety reasons, the accommodation requested by Patricia poses an undue hardship.[257]

And “unproven” is a poor choice of words for a vaccine that has undergone Phase III clinical trials before getting emergency approval and given to the rest of us. It is on track to get full approval by September 20. One of your major argument points will be gone.

By the way, the state Supreme Courts have so far upheld the employer vaccine mandate on businesses. That doesn't mean that every state Supreme Court will rule the same way (or that the big one will), but precedent has been set.

So, actually the big Supreme Court did deny an injunction on a vaccine mandate

Argument (I've seen the arguments used here several places):
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/2...0FINAL.pdf

Application denied by Amy Comey Barrett:
https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx...21a15.html

I'm not going to argue this ad infinitum. I see your position. You see mine, I'm sure. I'll just end with this. It is a slippery slope to assign such "danger" to this illness as to control the whole population of the world. An illness that can be controlled with quinine, hydroxychloroquine, and/or Ivermectin. If you want the poke, by all means, take the poke. I will not.

(08-20-2021 11:40 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 10:37 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(08-19-2021 02:28 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(08-19-2021 02:20 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(08-19-2021 02:10 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  “No shirt no shoes no service” at McDonald’s isn’t a sign of the end times, and neither is “No shirt No shoes No mask no service”.

I'm not talking about proper apparel, sir. I'm talking about requiring you to inject a substance into your body that has not been fully tested to FDA standards, and has literally killed over 4000 people so far, and still counting. And requiring a passport... I'm not even going to waste my time. To quote the great Andy Dufresne, "how can you be so obtuse? Is it deliberate?"

I have yet to see anyone “forced” to inject the vaccine (which has been conditionally approved all year after clinical trials completed, and will get full approval in Sept). You always have a choice. Your employer uses their rights as a private business to enforce the mandate? You’re not a slave… you are free to quit. They require it to attend a football game? Attending football games isn’t an inalienable right.

Do they make you show a drivers license to get on a plane? How about a passport to travel internationally? Is any of that the mark of the beast?

I had to go back and read the entire thread to find where “forced” was mentioned. I couldn’t find it. I chose to get vaccinated. I don’t get too wrapped up in what others choose to do. I will say that I’ve never cared for the “if you don’t like it you can quit” approach in any scenario.

agree. It reminds me of some autocratic full of **** highschool football coach.

Where was it you played high school football?