ACC:
Average Gross Total Revenue: $106,455,758
Those Who Would Add Revenue:
1. Kansas
2. T.C.U.



Attendance: 47,706
Those Who Exceed The Attendance Average:
1. Iowa State
2. West Virginia
3. Oklahoma State
4. Texas Tech
5. Kansas State


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B1G:
Average Gross Total Revenue: $130,698,413
Those Who Would Add Revenue: (adjusted up 15.5 million B10 media diff)
1. Notre Dame
2. Florida State
3. Louisville
4. Washington
5. Stanford
6. Southern Cal
7. Clemson
8. U.C.L.A.
9. Miami (at the average)


Those Who Exceed The Attendance Average:
1. Clemson
2. Notre Dame
3. Washington

* Note to B1G Board: I adjusted both the ACC and PAC schools up 15.5 million to take out the difference between your media revenue and theirs. It just happened that the ACC and PAC paid out exactly the same last year.

** Neither Missouri nor Kansas when adjusted for conference differences in media money pay their way into the Big 10
Your profitable moves to 16 would be Notre Dame and Louisville academics however would bite Louisville. Academically your best move to 16 would be Notre Dame and Miami. Then to 20 with the 4 PAC schools listed. Shift Nebraska West and create 4 pods of 5. Just food for thought.

(08-05-2021 01:26 AM)JRsec Wrote:  ACC:
Average Gross Total Revenue: $106,455,758
Those Who Would Add Revenue:
1. Kansas
2. T.C.U.



Attendance: 47,706
Those Who Exceed The Attendance Average:
1. Iowa State
2. West Virginia
3. Oklahoma State
4. Texas Tech
5. Kansas State


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B1G:
Average Gross Total Revenue: $130,698,413
Those Who Would Add Revenue: (adjusted up 15.5 million B10 media diff)
1. Notre Dame
2. Florida State
3. Louisville
4. Washington
5. Stanford
6. Southern Cal
7. Clemson
8. U.C.L.A.
9. Miami (at the average)


Those Who Exceed The Attendance Average:
1. Clemson
2. Notre Dame
3. Washington

* Note to B1G Board: I adjusted both the ACC and PAC schools up 15.5 million to take out the difference between your media revenue and theirs. It just happened that the ACC and PAC paid out exactly the same last year.

** Neither Missouri nor Kansas when adjusted for conference differences in media money pay their way into the Big 10
Your profitable moves to 16 would be Notre Dame and Louisville academics however would bite Louisville. Academically your best move to 16 would be Notre Dame and Miami. Then to 20 with the 4 PAC schools listed. Shift Nebraska West and create 4 pods of 5. Just food for thought.

Miami is growing on me as an expansion candidate. I could live with them. Many Big Ten graduates/supporters retire to Florida and that would provide a great opportunity to see their school visit. Miami is unique that their national brand is better than their local brand which may help with being nowhere near the closest conference member.

They definitely enhance the recruiting territory which the Big Ten needs. They also have some history, though brief, with many schools already: Penn State, Ohio State, Nebraska, Maryland, Rutgers, maybe more (plus Notre Dame who is also joining per the hypothetical).

Taking it a step further, here's how I would break it down:

Pod A (Joe Paterno's Pseudo Northeast Conference That Never Was Pod):
Penn State
Rutgers
Maryland
Miami

Pod B (Which of These Things is Not Like the Other Pod):
Ohio State
Michigan
Notre Dame
Michigan State

Pod C (Thank Goodness We Aren't in Pod B Pod):
Indiana
Purdue
Illinois
Northwestern

Pod D (Don't Forget A-boot Us Over Here Pod):
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Iowa
Nebraska

Maybe switch the Illinois schools with the Michigan schools to make it more even.

(08-07-2021 10:09 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  

(08-05-2021 01:26 AM)JRsec Wrote:  ACC:
Average Gross Total Revenue: $106,455,758
Those Who Would Add Revenue:
1. Kansas
2. T.C.U.



Attendance: 47,706
Those Who Exceed The Attendance Average:
1. Iowa State
2. West Virginia
3. Oklahoma State
4. Texas Tech
5. Kansas State


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B1G:
Average Gross Total Revenue: $130,698,413
Those Who Would Add Revenue: (adjusted up 15.5 million B10 media diff)
1. Notre Dame
2. Florida State
3. Louisville
4. Washington
5. Stanford
6. Southern Cal
7. Clemson
8. U.C.L.A.
9. Miami (at the average)


Those Who Exceed The Attendance Average:
1. Clemson
2. Notre Dame
3. Washington

* Note to B1G Board: I adjusted both the ACC and PAC schools up 15.5 million to take out the difference between your media revenue and theirs. It just happened that the ACC and PAC paid out exactly the same last year.

** Neither Missouri nor Kansas when adjusted for conference differences in media money pay their way into the Big 10
Your profitable moves to 16 would be Notre Dame and Louisville academics however would bite Louisville. Academically your best move to 16 would be Notre Dame and Miami. Then to 20 with the 4 PAC schools listed. Shift Nebraska West and create 4 pods of 5. Just food for thought.

Miami is growing on me as an expansion candidate. I could live with them. Many Big Ten graduates/supporters retire to Florida and that would provide a great opportunity to see their school visit. Miami is unique that their national brand is better than their local brand which may help with being nowhere near the closest conference member.

They definitely enhance the recruiting territory which the Big Ten needs. They also have some history, though brief, with many schools already: Penn State, Ohio State, Nebraska, Maryland, Rutgers, maybe more (plus Notre Dame who is also joining per the hypothetical).

Taking it a step further, here's how I would break it down:

Pod A (Joe Paterno's Pseudo Northeast Conference That Never Was Pod):
Penn State
Rutgers
Maryland
Miami

Pod B (Which of These Things is Not Like the Other Pod):
Ohio State
Michigan
Notre Dame
Michigan State

Pod C (Thank Goodness We Aren't in Pod B Pod):
Indiana
Purdue
Illinois
Northwestern

Pod D (Don't Forget A-boot Us Over Here Pod):
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Iowa
Nebraska

Maybe switch the Illinois schools with the Michigan schools to make it more even.

Miami is a very unique school. I love how you said it's more of National than local brand, that sums them up perfectly. My issue, which is explained by what you said, is their attendance, when they are down, really sucks!

I like a Miami as a companion school to ND a lot. Florida recruiting, high number of Midwestern snow birds in the state, nice place for fans to travel to to in October and November. They are on the edge of AAU membership too if I’m not mistaken.

(08-08-2021 05:14 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I like a Miami as a companion school to ND a lot. Florida recruiting, high number of Midwestern snow birds in the state, nice place for fans to travel to to in October and November. They are on the edge of AAU membership too if I’m not mistaken.

If the B1G was able to land N.D. and Miami and stop at 16 and the SEC stopped at 16, we could settle into workable schedules at a comfortable size and make plenty.

Let the PAC and ACC sort out the other 8 B12 schools.

(08-08-2021 06:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 05:14 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I like a Miami as a companion school to ND a lot. Florida recruiting, high number of Midwestern snow birds in the state, nice place for fans to travel to to in October and November. They are on the edge of AAU membership too if I’m not mistaken.

If the B1G was able to land N.D. and Miami and stop at 16 and the SEC stopped at 16, we could settle into workable schedules at a comfortable size and make plenty.

Let the PAC and ACC sort out the other 8 B12 schools.

The question is how many ACC schools would the Big Ten have to add to persuade ND to accept an ACC arrangement with the Big Ten?

(08-09-2021 04:46 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 06:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 05:14 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I like a Miami as a companion school to ND a lot. Florida recruiting, high number of Midwestern snow birds in the state, nice place for fans to travel to to in October and November. They are on the edge of AAU membership too if I’m not mistaken.

If the B1G was able to land N.D. and Miami and stop at 16 and the SEC stopped at 16, we could settle into workable schedules at a comfortable size and make plenty.

Let the PAC and ACC sort out the other 8 B12 schools.

The question is how many ACC schools would the Big Ten have to add to persuade ND to accept an ACC arrangement with the Big Ten?

Just 2 really. They want games in Florida (Miami) and Georgia (Tech). When they approached the ACC about the partial deal Swarbrick first spoke to Slive about a scheduling agreement with Florida and Georgia as a back up if things didn't work out with the ACC.

(08-09-2021 05:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-09-2021 04:46 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 06:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 05:14 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I like a Miami as a companion school to ND a lot. Florida recruiting, high number of Midwestern snow birds in the state, nice place for fans to travel to to in October and November. They are on the edge of AAU membership too if I’m not mistaken.

If the B1G was able to land N.D. and Miami and stop at 16 and the SEC stopped at 16, we could settle into workable schedules at a comfortable size and make plenty.

Let the PAC and ACC sort out the other 8 B12 schools.

The question is how many ACC schools would the Big Ten have to add to persuade ND to accept an ACC arrangement with the Big Ten?

Just 2 really. They want games in Florida (Miami) and Georgia (Tech). When they approached the ACC about the partial deal Swarbrick first spoke to Slive about a scheduling agreement with Florida and Georgia as a back up if things didn't work out with the ACC.

I could probably stomach Miami and Georgia Tech to get Notre Dame. Maybe Virginia Tech could be #18. They make a lot of sense if FSU, Clemson, and UNC aren't coming.

(08-09-2021 06:51 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I could probably stomach Miami and Georgia Tech to get Notre Dame. Maybe Virginia Tech could be #18. They make a lot of sense if FSU, Clemson, and UNC aren't coming.

Virginia Tech seems to me like the 2nd choice to Virginia in the state. Football isn't everything. If we got VaT instead of UVa, I'd feel disappointed just like if we got NCSt instead of UNC.

(08-09-2021 05:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-09-2021 04:46 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 06:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 05:14 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I like a Miami as a companion school to ND a lot. Florida recruiting, high number of Midwestern snow birds in the state, nice place for fans to travel to to in October and November. They are on the edge of AAU membership too if I’m not mistaken.

If the B1G was able to land N.D. and Miami and stop at 16 and the SEC stopped at 16, we could settle into workable schedules at a comfortable size and make plenty.

Let the PAC and ACC sort out the other 8 B12 schools.

The question is how many ACC schools would the Big Ten have to add to persuade ND to accept an ACC arrangement with the Big Ten?

Just 2 really. They want games in Florida (Miami) and Georgia (Tech). When they approached the ACC about the partial deal Swarbrick first spoke to Slive about a scheduling agreement with Florida and Georgia as a back up if things didn't work out with the ACC.

A potential problem with GT may be its desire to play southern-based schools, especially in Olympic sports. I suspect the Big Ten would have to expand to anywhere from 18 to 20 to accomodate GT.

(08-09-2021 07:45 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(08-09-2021 06:51 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I could probably stomach Miami and Georgia Tech to get Notre Dame. Maybe Virginia Tech could be #18. They make a lot of sense if FSU, Clemson, and UNC aren't coming.

Virginia Tech seems to me like the 2nd choice to Virginia in the state. Football isn't everything. If we got VaT instead of UVa, I'd feel disappointed just like if we got NCSt instead of UNC.

You would be surprised how popular Va Tech is in the State of Virginia. It's nearing an undergrad enrollment of 30,000. An invitation to the Big Ten would accelerate the growth of the graduate enrollment and programs. They're building a tech campus near the planned Amazon campus in northern VA.

(08-09-2021 08:16 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  

(08-09-2021 07:45 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(08-09-2021 06:51 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I could probably stomach Miami and Georgia Tech to get Notre Dame. Maybe Virginia Tech could be #18. They make a lot of sense if FSU, Clemson, and UNC aren't coming.

Virginia Tech seems to me like the 2nd choice to Virginia in the state. Football isn't everything. If we got VaT instead of UVa, I'd feel disappointed just like if we got NCSt instead of UNC.

You would be surprised how popular Va Tech is in the State of Virginia. It's nearing an undergrad enrollment of 30,000. An invitation to the Big Ten would accelerate the growth of the graduate enrollment and programs. They're building a tech campus near the planned Amazon campus in northern VA.

I feel like Virginia Tech is the blue collar, everyman school and Virginia is the snobby elite school. UVA is the sexy choice only because UNC would want to be paired with them but VT has all the football accomplishments, higher fan support, better budgets, and bigger brand. They are even solid in basketball, though obviously below UVA. VT is the one growing while UVA plays the exclusive card which hurts athletic support since the general public can't relate. Give me the Hokies

(08-09-2021 09:14 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  

(08-09-2021 08:16 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  

(08-09-2021 07:45 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(08-09-2021 06:51 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I could probably stomach Miami and Georgia Tech to get Notre Dame. Maybe Virginia Tech could be #18. They make a lot of sense if FSU, Clemson, and UNC aren't coming.

Virginia Tech seems to me like the 2nd choice to Virginia in the state. Football isn't everything. If we got VaT instead of UVa, I'd feel disappointed just like if we got NCSt instead of UNC.

You would be surprised how popular Va Tech is in the State of Virginia. It's nearing an undergrad enrollment of 30,000. An invitation to the Big Ten would accelerate the growth of the graduate enrollment and programs. They're building a tech campus near the planned Amazon campus in northern VA.

I feel like Virginia Tech is the blue collar, everyman school and Virginia is the snobby elite school. UVA is the sexy choice only because UNC would want to be paired with them but VT has all the football accomplishments, higher fan support, better budgets, and bigger brand. They are even solid in basketball, though obviously below UVA. VT is the one growing while UVA plays the exclusive card which hurts athletic support since the general public can't relate. Give me the Hokies

I for one would love for UNC to insist on Duke and Virginia in the B1G. It's ESPN that wants to hang onto UNC. To get UNC you must accommodate Duke. That's 2 slots to get the #1 and #3 draws in the State. UVa is as Liberty describes and why ESPN would be more inclined to hang onto Va Tech. Academics in both conferences will want the trio. AD's? Not so much. If the SEC landed Va Tech and N.C. State we would get the #1 draw in Virginia and the #2 draw in North Carolina. We could live with that. True they aren't AAU or "the flagship program but both emphasize revenue sports more than their counterparts.

Add UNC, UVa, and Duke and your academic standing takes a huge jump, but your revenue takes a hit. It's what you call a dilemma.

How many national championships has Virginia Tech won? Advantage UVa.

(08-10-2021 05:08 AM)schmolik Wrote:  How many national championships has Virginia Tech won? Advantage UVa.

Basketball and lacrosse don't pay the bills.

(08-10-2021 05:25 AM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 05:08 AM)schmolik Wrote:  How many national championships has Virginia Tech won? Advantage UVa.

Basketball and lacrosse don't pay the bills.

Wow, I didn't know Virginia won a lacrosse championship. Even more reason to want them:)

But you really believe there's no money at all in men's basketball? Of course there's more money in football but it's not like there's no money in men's basketball. Are you going to say Kansas State is more valuable to the Big 10 than Kansas now? Mississippi more valuable than Kentucky? Am I at the SEC board?

If you had a choice between say Duke men's basketball and Clemson football, yeah Clemson football would be better. If we could have the Michael Vick era Virginia Tech, sign me up. But would I rather a Virginia men's basketball team that can compete for national championships or a Virginia Tech football team that can compete for Duke Mayo's Bowls?

I'm not saying I wouldn't be happy with VaT in the Big Ten. But I'd rather have UVa.