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Let's Revisit The 3 x 20:
Why not do away with the ACC & PAC & create a new conference?

New Conference
West: USC, Stanford, ND, Arizona, TT

Central: UCLA, Cal, Ok St, Baylor, Colorado

South: Clemson, FSU, GT, Miami, VT

North: Pitt, Syracuse, WV, Louisville, BC


B1G adds Oregon, Washington, Utah, NC, Duke & Virginia. SEC adds Oklahoma, Texas, Arizona St, Iowa St, Kansas, NC St

SEC
North: Arizona St, Iowa St, Kansas, Missouri, Ky

West: Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Miss, Miss St

South: Alabama, LSU, A&M, Auburn, Vandy

East: Georgia, Tennessee, Florida, NC St, SC


B1G
West: Oregon, Wash, Utah, Nebraska, Iowa

East: Penn State, NC, Duke, Virginia, Maryland

North: Ohio St, Michigan, Mich St, IU, Rutgers

Central: Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, NW, Purdue


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RE: Let's Revisit The 3 x 20:
The ACC could be the foundation for one of the 3 x 20, if it can somehow convince ND to join and then be the first mover…
USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Washington
BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Notre Dame, Miami
UVa, VT, UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech
Florida State, Clemson, NC State, WF, Louisville

The BIG still has flagship AAU universities available…
Rutgers, Maryland, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan,
Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern, Illinois
Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa State, Nebraska
Kansas, Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Oregon

The SEC wouldn’t have as much incentive to expand
Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Kentucky
Missouri, Arkansas, LSU, Oklahoma, Texas A&M
Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Arizona State
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RE: Let's Revisit The 3 x 20:
Big 20
East: Maryland, Penn State, Rutgers, Syracuse, Temple
North: Cincinnati, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Pittsburgh
South: Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern, Purdue, Wisconsin
West: Iowa, Iowa State, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska

Pac-20
East: Houston, LSU, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech
North: Arkansas, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
South: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, UCLA, USC
West: California, Oregon, Stanford, Utah, Washington

SEC
East: Clemson, Duke, NC State, North Carolina, South Carolina
North: Kentucky, Louisville, Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
South: Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
West: Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Tennessee
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RE: Let's Revisit The 3 x 20:
(07-31-2021 10:24 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(07-30-2021 08:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-30-2021 08:16 PM)XLance Wrote:  Carolina will not separate from UVa and Duke, you need to swap Carolina and NC State and you would have something.
No problem to get away from State.
Carolina will always look out for Wake Forest.
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Well, if you could stay with UVa and Duke in either which would you choose?

Actually JR, you had the teams right to begin with.
The problem is that you had the divisions all wrong

First off, I want to say that the ACC has been fighting an uphill battle since they missed out on trying to lure Penn State away from the B1G.

Once that attempt failed, the ACC became the "Turk" after his failed on his attempt to kill the Godfather. We were dead men walking.
The B1G caved into Paterno's demands for eastern teams. Paterno wanted Rutgers and Pitt, but got Rutgers and Maryland instead. This was enough to keep Penn State in check and the first nail in the coffin of the ACC.

The ACC could have survived and thrived with Penn State and Notre Dame and probably would have become a bigger earner that even the SEC.

Now the ACC with even a full time Notre Dame and any other Big 12 team only will prolong the inevitable. The ACC would always be playing from behind and never have the opportunity to be on equal footing with the B1G or the SEC. Plus, the biggest reason not to follow this path is that I don't believe that Notre Dame can be trusted.

When Texas and Oklahoma decided to take the money, the paradigm shifted, all of the games were over, and it has become the time to forget about pride and tradition and worry about survival.

To that end, Carolina should cozy up to the (I'm choking on the initials) SEC, but demand to control our own division.
JR, this is how I would see Carolina, Virginia Tech, Clemson, Kansas and Florida State fitting into the SEC:

Carolina, Virginia Tech, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida
Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Texas
Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama
Florida State, Auburn, Clemson, Tennessee, Kentucky

Vanderbilt and Wake Forest as associates.

Wow weren’t you very optimistic about the ACC? This posting seems hopelessly pessimistic.

I, for one, think the ACC is just going to be fine.
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As long as Kentucky is in The SEC, the conference will never be what it could be. The only point that needs to be made.
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RE: Let's Revisit The 3 x 20:
(07-31-2021 11:17 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  
(07-31-2021 10:24 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(07-30-2021 08:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-30-2021 08:16 PM)XLance Wrote:  Carolina will not separate from UVa and Duke, you need to swap Carolina and NC State and you would have something.
No problem to get away from State.
Carolina will always look out for Wake Forest.
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Well, if you could stay with UVa and Duke in either which would you choose?

Actually JR, you had the teams right to begin with.
The problem is that you had the divisions all wrong

First off, I want to say that the ACC has been fighting an uphill battle since they missed out on trying to lure Penn State away from the B1G.

Once that attempt failed, the ACC became the "Turk" after his failed on his attempt to kill the Godfather. We were dead men walking.
The B1G caved into Paterno's demands for eastern teams. Paterno wanted Rutgers and Pitt, but got Rutgers and Maryland instead. This was enough to keep Penn State in check and the first nail in the coffin of the ACC.

The ACC could have survived and thrived with Penn State and Notre Dame and probably would have become a bigger earner that even the SEC.

Now the ACC with even a full time Notre Dame and any other Big 12 team only will prolong the inevitable. The ACC would always be playing from behind and never have the opportunity to be on equal footing with the B1G or the SEC. Plus, the biggest reason not to follow this path is that I don't believe that Notre Dame can be trusted.

When Texas and Oklahoma decided to take the money, the paradigm shifted, all of the games were over, and it has become the time to forget about pride and tradition and worry about survival.

To that end, Carolina should cozy up to the (I'm choking on the initials) SEC, but demand to control our own division.
JR, this is how I would see Carolina, Virginia Tech, Clemson, Kansas and Florida State fitting into the SEC:

Carolina, Virginia Tech, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida
Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Texas
Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama
Florida State, Auburn, Clemson, Tennessee, Kentucky

Vanderbilt and Wake Forest as associates.

Wow weren’t you very optimistic about the ACC? This posting seems hopelessly pessimistic.

I, for one, think the ACC is just going to be fine.

There are rumors coming out of the B1G that suggest that the ACC is wooing Penn State again and that the Nittany Lions are listening.

Instead of looking at 3 X 20 what if instead you had 16, 18+1, and 20.

PAC 20
Ohio State, Michigan, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan State, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Nebraska, Iowa, Colorado, Utah, Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Cal, USC, UCLA, Arizona.

ACC at 18+1
Miami, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Wake Forest, NCSU, Duke, Carolina, UVa. VT, BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, Maryland, Rutgers, Penn State, West Virginia. Plus a partial Notre Dame.

SEC 16
Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Auburn, Alabama, Ole Miss, MSU, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Missouri, Arkansas, LSU, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma.
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RE: Let's Revisit The 3 x 20:
(08-02-2021 07:10 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  As long as Kentucky is in The SEC, the conference will never be what it could be. The only point that needs to be made.

If Kentucky leaves then the SEC will become a football only conference and a "G" level in basketball.

Although Texas and OU will partly offset that.
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RE: Let's Revisit The 3 x 20:
(08-02-2021 10:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-02-2021 07:10 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  As long as Kentucky is in The SEC, the conference will never be what it could be. The only point that needs to be made.

If Kentucky leaves then the SEC will become a football only conference and a "G" level in basketball.

Although Texas and OU will partly offset that.

It’s already a football only conference. What has Coach Calipari done with 5 burger boys every season since he’s been there? One championship?
Calipari makes Dean Smith and Coach K look like over-achievers.

You can sure tell you don’t live in Kentucky. Calipari’s act is growing old in Lexington. Fans are growing tired of the “players first bs”. Don’t be surprised if Cal isn’t done after this season either way it finishes…good or bad.
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RE: Let's Revisit The 3 x 20:
(08-03-2021 05:47 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(08-02-2021 10:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-02-2021 07:10 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  As long as Kentucky is in The SEC, the conference will never be what it could be. The only point that needs to be made.

If Kentucky leaves then the SEC will become a football only conference and a "G" level in basketball.

Although Texas and OU will partly offset that.

It’s already a football only conference. What has Coach Calipari done with 5 burger boys every season since he’s been there? One championship?
Calipari makes Dean Smith and Coach K look like over-achievers.

You can sure tell you don’t live in Kentucky. Calipari’s act is growing old in Lexington. Fans are growing tired of the “players first bs”. Don’t be surprised if Cal isn’t done after this season either way it finishes…good or bad.

CJ, do you think Kentucky would be better off in the B!g or ACC?
They don't seem to be treated very well by their conference mates.
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RE: Let's Revisit The 3 x 20:
(08-03-2021 07:11 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(08-03-2021 05:47 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(08-02-2021 10:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-02-2021 07:10 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  As long as Kentucky is in The SEC, the conference will never be what it could be. The only point that needs to be made.

If Kentucky leaves then the SEC will become a football only conference and a "G" level in basketball.

Although Texas and OU will partly offset that.

It’s already a football only conference. What has Coach Calipari done with 5 burger boys every season since he’s been there? One championship?
Calipari makes Dean Smith and Coach K look like over-achievers.

You can sure tell you don’t live in Kentucky. Calipari’s act is growing old in Lexington. Fans are growing tired of the “players first bs”. Don’t be surprised if Cal isn’t done after this season either way it finishes…good or bad.

CJ, do you think Kentucky would be better off in the B!g or ACC?
They don't seem to be treated very well by their conference mates.

Kentucky is an ACC school stuck in The SEC. CM Newton knew it.
He and former UK President Charles Wethington quietly talked to The ACC back in the ‘90’s.

“We talked to them very seriously, but very quietly,” Newton said last week. “Dr. Wethington had me go over and talk to them for a short period one evening. They wanted us to come on and join their league. I thought, with the way (UK) football was (struggling in the SEC), that might have been the best path for us. I always felt like (Florida State) was an SEC school in the ACC and Kentucky an ACC school in the SEC. There were a lot of ways in which I thought (UK moving to) the ACC made sense, but at the end of the day, it’s just doggone tough for a school to leave the SEC.”

Obviously financially staying in The SEC was the right call but competitively in basketball and football UK is a better fit in The ACC.

https://kentuckysportsradio.com/main/cm-...g-the-acc/


Note the Herald Leader piece this blog references is no longer available online. Too bad because it was an interesting look inside the decision making involved in conference realignment.
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RE: Let's Revisit The 3 x 20:
(08-03-2021 07:51 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(08-03-2021 07:11 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(08-03-2021 05:47 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(08-02-2021 10:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-02-2021 07:10 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  As long as Kentucky is in The SEC, the conference will never be what it could be. The only point that needs to be made.

If Kentucky leaves then the SEC will become a football only conference and a "G" level in basketball.

Although Texas and OU will partly offset that.

It’s already a football only conference. What has Coach Calipari done with 5 burger boys every season since he’s been there? One championship?
Calipari makes Dean Smith and Coach K look like over-achievers.

You can sure tell you don’t live in Kentucky. Calipari’s act is growing old in Lexington. Fans are growing tired of the “players first bs”. Don’t be surprised if Cal isn’t done after this season either way it finishes…good or bad.

CJ, do you think Kentucky would be better off in the B!g or ACC?
They don't seem to be treated very well by their conference mates.

Kentucky is an ACC school stuck in The SEC. CM Newton knew it.
He and former UK President Charles Wethington quietly talked to The ACC back in the ‘90’s.

“We talked to them very seriously, but very quietly,” Newton said last week. “Dr. Wethington had me go over and talk to them for a short period one evening. They wanted us to come on and join their league. I thought, with the way (UK) football was (struggling in the SEC), that might have been the best path for us. I always felt like (Florida State) was an SEC school in the ACC and Kentucky an ACC school in the SEC. There were a lot of ways in which I thought (UK moving to) the ACC made sense, but at the end of the day, it’s just doggone tough for a school to leave the SEC.”

Obviously financially staying in The SEC was the right call but competitively in basketball and football UK is a better fit in The ACC.

https://kentuckysportsradio.com/main/cm-...g-the-acc/


Note the Herald Leader piece this blog references is no longer available online. Too bad because it was an interesting look inside the decision making involved in conference realignment.

Men's basketball wise (and football wise) Kentucky belongs in the ACC just like Clemson belongs in the SEC for the same reason. But of course Kentucky is never going to leave the SEC for $$$$ reasons. Missouri really doesn't belong in the SEC but won't willingly leave for less money.

https://www.aseaofblue.com/2017/11/19/16...or-big-ten
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RE: Let's Revisit The 3 x 20:
Every time I try to revisit something like 3X20, I inevitably reach the same conclusion. There really aren't 60 schools that belong at the top level of college football. I'm not sure if there ever were, but the media contract wars have convinced me that there are a lot of P5 schools that are there because they can be counted on to pad the records of the Big Dogs.

I could see two conferences of 20 each or even 24 each, and I could easily see the two of them negotiating media contracts as a single bargaining unit. Scheduling wise, I'm thinking 8 divisions of either five or six teams each.
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(08-03-2021 12:53 PM)ken d Wrote:  Every time I try to revisit something like 3X20, I inevitably reach the same conclusion. There really aren't 60 schools that belong at the top level of college football. I'm not sure if there ever were, but the media contract wars have convinced me that there are a lot of P5 schools that are there because they can be counted on to pad the records of the Big Dogs.

I could see two conferences of 20 each or even 24 each, and I could easily see the two of them negotiating media contracts as a single bargaining unit. Scheduling wise, I'm thinking 8 divisions of either five or six teams each.

I don't disagree per se because geography makes constructing a PAC of 20 unwieldy and hard to build competitively. I really see it as the next natural transitional stage in a protracted, but self determined, triage to 48. But 20 does maintain W/L records which fans can live with in a beefed up model. They too have to transition.
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3x20 is kind of like the the 4x16 model, people like it because they are striving for something symmetrical but unless you are redistributing wealth from the top then it isn't a realistic idea as you end up having to try and fool yourself into believing that the 3rd conference is somehow on equal footing by adding targets that the other 2 left behind.
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(08-03-2021 01:27 PM)clpp01 Wrote:  3x20 is kind of like the the 4x16 model, people like it because they are striving for something symmetrical but unless you are redistributing wealth from the top then it isn't a realistic idea as you end up having to try and fool yourself into believing that the 3rd conference is somehow on equal footing by adding targets that the other 2 left behind.

I held no delusions as to that. The simple truth is the 8 remaining B12 programs and all PAC schools not named Washington, USC, Oregon and Stanford are similarly valued and the PAC 20 would be less valuable simply because by all metrics it is.

And the 4 mentioned have numbers that only add to the true middle of the B1G.
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(08-02-2021 08:11 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(07-31-2021 11:17 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  
(07-31-2021 10:24 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(07-30-2021 08:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-30-2021 08:16 PM)XLance Wrote:  Carolina will not separate from UVa and Duke, you need to swap Carolina and NC State and you would have something.
No problem to get away from State.
Carolina will always look out for Wake Forest.
a
Well, if you could stay with UVa and Duke in either which would you choose?

Actually JR, you had the teams right to begin with.
The problem is that you had the divisions all wrong

First off, I want to say that the ACC has been fighting an uphill battle since they missed out on trying to lure Penn State away from the B1G.

Once that attempt failed, the ACC became the "Turk" after his failed on his attempt to kill the Godfather. We were dead men walking.
The B1G caved into Paterno's demands for eastern teams. Paterno wanted Rutgers and Pitt, but got Rutgers and Maryland instead. This was enough to keep Penn State in check and the first nail in the coffin of the ACC.

The ACC could have survived and thrived with Penn State and Notre Dame and probably would have become a bigger earner that even the SEC.

Now the ACC with even a full time Notre Dame and any other Big 12 team only will prolong the inevitable. The ACC would always be playing from behind and never have the opportunity to be on equal footing with the B1G or the SEC. Plus, the biggest reason not to follow this path is that I don't believe that Notre Dame can be trusted.

When Texas and Oklahoma decided to take the money, the paradigm shifted, all of the games were over, and it has become the time to forget about pride and tradition and worry about survival.

To that end, Carolina should cozy up to the (I'm choking on the initials) SEC, but demand to control our own division.
JR, this is how I would see Carolina, Virginia Tech, Clemson, Kansas and Florida State fitting into the SEC:

Carolina, Virginia Tech, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida
Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Texas
Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama
Florida State, Auburn, Clemson, Tennessee, Kentucky

Vanderbilt and Wake Forest as associates.

Wow weren’t you very optimistic about the ACC? This posting seems hopelessly pessimistic.

I, for one, think the ACC is just going to be fine.

There are rumors coming out of the B1G that suggest that the ACC is wooing Penn State again and that the Nittany Lions are listening.

Instead of looking at 3 X 20 what if instead you had 16, 18+1, and 20.

PAC 20
Ohio State, Michigan, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan State, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Nebraska, Iowa, Colorado, Utah, Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Cal, USC, UCLA, Arizona.

ACC at 18+1
Miami, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Wake Forest, NCSU, Duke, Carolina, UVa. VT, BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, Maryland, Rutgers, Penn State, West Virginia. Plus a partial Notre Dame.

SEC 16
Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Auburn, Alabama, Ole Miss, MSU, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Missouri, Arkansas, LSU, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma.

PSU to the ACC would be awesome but I won’t hold my breath...
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(08-03-2021 05:11 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  
(08-02-2021 08:11 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(07-31-2021 11:17 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  
(07-31-2021 10:24 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(07-30-2021 08:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  a
Well, if you could stay with UVa and Duke in either which would you choose?

Actually JR, you had the teams right to begin with.
The problem is that you had the divisions all wrong

First off, I want to say that the ACC has been fighting an uphill battle since they missed out on trying to lure Penn State away from the B1G.

Once that attempt failed, the ACC became the "Turk" after his failed on his attempt to kill the Godfather. We were dead men walking.
The B1G caved into Paterno's demands for eastern teams. Paterno wanted Rutgers and Pitt, but got Rutgers and Maryland instead. This was enough to keep Penn State in check and the first nail in the coffin of the ACC.

The ACC could have survived and thrived with Penn State and Notre Dame and probably would have become a bigger earner that even the SEC.

Now the ACC with even a full time Notre Dame and any other Big 12 team only will prolong the inevitable. The ACC would always be playing from behind and never have the opportunity to be on equal footing with the B1G or the SEC. Plus, the biggest reason not to follow this path is that I don't believe that Notre Dame can be trusted.

When Texas and Oklahoma decided to take the money, the paradigm shifted, all of the games were over, and it has become the time to forget about pride and tradition and worry about survival.

To that end, Carolina should cozy up to the (I'm choking on the initials) SEC, but demand to control our own division.
JR, this is how I would see Carolina, Virginia Tech, Clemson, Kansas and Florida State fitting into the SEC:

Carolina, Virginia Tech, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida
Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Texas
Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama
Florida State, Auburn, Clemson, Tennessee, Kentucky

Vanderbilt and Wake Forest as associates.

Wow weren’t you very optimistic about the ACC? This posting seems hopelessly pessimistic.

I, for one, think the ACC is just going to be fine.

There are rumors coming out of the B1G that suggest that the ACC is wooing Penn State again and that the Nittany Lions are listening.

Instead of looking at 3 X 20 what if instead you had 16, 18+1, and 20.

PAC 20
Ohio State, Michigan, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan State, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Nebraska, Iowa, Colorado, Utah, Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Cal, USC, UCLA, Arizona.

ACC at 18+1
Miami, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Wake Forest, NCSU, Duke, Carolina, UVa. VT, BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, Maryland, Rutgers, Penn State, West Virginia. Plus a partial Notre Dame.

SEC 16
Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Auburn, Alabama, Ole Miss, MSU, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Missouri, Arkansas, LSU, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma.

PSU to the ACC would be awesome but I won’t hold my breath...

I think that ESPN is gearing up for the long haul.
They just invested a ton of money to land Texas and Oklahoma to make the SEC the premier conference for a long tome to come.
Would they invest another sum to elevate the ACC to be credible to be able to challenge The B1G for #2. Adding Penn State to the ACC could really take the air out of the B1G's ball. We'll see if the Mouse is willing to make the Lion an offer that can't be refused.
Whether the rumors about Penn State are true or not, I don't know, but if ESPN wants to truly control all of college football.......it's a move that needs to be considered.
If you couldn't get all three (Penn State, Maryland and Rutgers), Penn State and Cincinnati would certainly poke a stick into the B1G's eye.
This is an ESPN move, not an ACC move, without ESPN money and muscle it's beyond the realm of possibility.
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RE: Let's Revisit The 3 x 20:
(08-03-2021 07:53 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(08-03-2021 05:11 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  
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(07-31-2021 10:24 AM)XLance Wrote:  Actually JR, you had the teams right to begin with.
The problem is that you had the divisions all wrong

First off, I want to say that the ACC has been fighting an uphill battle since they missed out on trying to lure Penn State away from the B1G.

Once that attempt failed, the ACC became the "Turk" after his failed on his attempt to kill the Godfather. We were dead men walking.
The B1G caved into Paterno's demands for eastern teams. Paterno wanted Rutgers and Pitt, but got Rutgers and Maryland instead. This was enough to keep Penn State in check and the first nail in the coffin of the ACC.

The ACC could have survived and thrived with Penn State and Notre Dame and probably would have become a bigger earner that even the SEC.

Now the ACC with even a full time Notre Dame and any other Big 12 team only will prolong the inevitable. The ACC would always be playing from behind and never have the opportunity to be on equal footing with the B1G or the SEC. Plus, the biggest reason not to follow this path is that I don't believe that Notre Dame can be trusted.

When Texas and Oklahoma decided to take the money, the paradigm shifted, all of the games were over, and it has become the time to forget about pride and tradition and worry about survival.

To that end, Carolina should cozy up to the (I'm choking on the initials) SEC, but demand to control our own division.
JR, this is how I would see Carolina, Virginia Tech, Clemson, Kansas and Florida State fitting into the SEC:

Carolina, Virginia Tech, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida
Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Texas
Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama
Florida State, Auburn, Clemson, Tennessee, Kentucky

Vanderbilt and Wake Forest as associates.

Wow weren’t you very optimistic about the ACC? This posting seems hopelessly pessimistic.

I, for one, think the ACC is just going to be fine.

There are rumors coming out of the B1G that suggest that the ACC is wooing Penn State again and that the Nittany Lions are listening.

Instead of looking at 3 X 20 what if instead you had 16, 18+1, and 20.

PAC 20
Ohio State, Michigan, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan State, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Nebraska, Iowa, Colorado, Utah, Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Cal, USC, UCLA, Arizona.

ACC at 18+1
Miami, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Wake Forest, NCSU, Duke, Carolina, UVa. VT, BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, Maryland, Rutgers, Penn State, West Virginia. Plus a partial Notre Dame.

SEC 16
Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Auburn, Alabama, Ole Miss, MSU, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Missouri, Arkansas, LSU, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma.

PSU to the ACC would be awesome but I won’t hold my breath...

I think that ESPN is gearing up for the long haul.
They just invested a ton of money to land Texas and Oklahoma to make the SEC the premier conference for a long tome to come.
Would they invest another sum to elevate the ACC to be credible to be able to challenge The B1G for #2. Adding Penn State to the ACC could really take the air out of the B1G's ball. We'll see if the Mouse is willing to make the Lion an offer that can't be refused.
Whether the rumors about Penn State are true or not, I don't know, but if ESPN wants to truly control all of college football.......it's a move that needs to be considered.
If you couldn't get all three (Penn State, Maryland and Rutgers), Penn State and Cincinnati would certainly poke a stick into the B1G's eye.
This is an ESPN move, not an ACC move, without ESPN money and muscle it's beyond the realm of possibility.

I agree that the ESPN would like to see PSU in the ACC but the money gap is too big. The only possible scenario I can think of is that PSU keeps some of its own media money (similar to how OU and UT received more money than the other Big 12 teams did) so that it won’t lose money by switching a conference.
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RE: Let's Revisit The 3 x 20:
The money thing is way over blown.
First you have to determine your level, then you only need enough money to compete with your peers.
It would be nice to think that "your school" will make it to the junior version of the NFL, but the truth is that there will only be about 24-32 spots available. Some of us need to start thinking about one level down.

If ESPN wants to field that NFL lite team they would need to move Clemson, Florida State and Miami out of the ACC and into a revamped SEC. At the same time 3-6 SEC schools, that won't be able to participate at that football level would transfer over to the ACC where they could become competitive.
NFL lite ESPN team:
Miami, Florida State, Florida, Miami, Georgia, South Carolina, Clemson, Tennessee, Auburn, Alabama, LSU, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and Notre Dame.
Second level ESPN team:
Missouri, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Louisville, Virginia Tech, UVa, Carolina, NCSU, Wake Forest, Duke, Georgia Tech.

What you now have is the same teams that have been divided by geography, stadium size, revenue.
The remainder of the ACC teams (Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College) need to find a home that fits their own east west strata in the north which would include Maryland and Rutgers (two schools that will not participate in the B1G/PAC version of the NFL lite).
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