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RE: Should the conference do anything if NMSU gets grabbed by the MWC?
Matt Brown tweeted that he anticipates AFA and Colorado State to leave the MWC; also tweeted that UAB to American would not surprise him.

Not sure what this means for our friends at New Mexico State (or quite frankly any of our friends) but this impacts three conferences if this plays out - the American, Mountain West and C-USA.



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Since 2005 when NMSU joined the WAC, there have been 27 different teams in the conference. 15 of those have left/are leaving. The WAC is a stepping stone conference. Whether its a step heading up or down, its really up to the schools. I expect more teams to come and go. The one constant will be NMSU.

I expect the Dakota's, Montana's and the Texas FCS programs to be looked at before NMSU is considered for the MWC. The only major change since NMSU tried to get into the MWC ten years is we have a better Athletic Director.
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Correct. The SMU, Tulsa, UTSA, UTEP and a few others will get the call before NMSU is even an idea for a possible MWC candidate.
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(09-20-2021 03:45 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  Correct. The SMU, Tulsa, UTSA, UTEP and a few others will get the call before NMSU is even an idea for a possible MWC candidate.

How much pull do the Lobos have in blocking NMSU from the Mountain West?
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RE: Should the conference do anything if NMSU gets grabbed by the MWC?
(09-20-2021 08:56 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(09-19-2021 08:38 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  From a Fansided by Joey Loose @jloose128

posted a week ago

article on MWC potential schools.


New Mexico State
There is a lot of uncertainty due to conference realignment, and there are a few assumptions we can make for adding each of these schools. No matter which teams have left or joined the Mountain West, New Mexico State is certainly worth a look, but there are also a number of question marks. Before we get into that, it’s important to laud that these Aggies have completely dominated the WAC in basketball since joining in 2005.

However, there’s bad with the good. Football has been a disaster and this program doesn’t seem like they’re suddenly going to be on the cusp of greatness, even if they join the Mountain West. The Aggies have been independent in football for the last four seasons, with a 6-22 mark in that time span. Coach Doug Martin led the team to an Arizona Bowl win in 2017, but you have to go back to 2002 to find their second most recent season over .500.

You also have to wonder if New Mexico would really want to see their in-state rivals join their league, especially when the Aggies didn’t join the Mountain West years ago with former WAC conferences mates like Boise State and Fresno State, among others. There’s also certainly a question about how that basketball program would fare when you ramp up the competition a notch or two. However, New Mexico State has the geography, brings a talented basketball program, and could certainly use this conference to improve football in the coming years.

Good article, lopes. I read it last week. The key point is the "Aggies have completely dominated the WAC in basketball since joining in 2005". That would be WAC 1.0 and WAC 2.0. Vamos a ver on WAC 3.0...

Interesting thing here, is that they note that we have been dominating the WAC since 2005, but in the same article wonder aloud how we would do in the current MWC. We were beating those teams in the WAC. It may take a minute, but we can do it again.

GO AGGIES!!!!
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(09-20-2021 04:21 PM)All4One Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 03:45 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  Correct. The SMU, Tulsa, UTSA, UTEP and a few others will get the call before NMSU is even an idea for a possible MWC candidate.

How much pull do the Lobos have in blocking NMSU from the Mountain West?

They do favors for other University's to have them vote against us and then can say to the state government that they voted for us.
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(09-20-2021 03:45 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  Correct. The SMU, Tulsa, UTSA, UTEP and a few others will get the call before NMSU is even an idea for a possible MWC candidate.


SMU and Tulsa are in the American. Isn’t that a step down?
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(09-20-2021 03:45 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  Correct. The SMU, Tulsa, UTSA, UTEP and a few others will get the call before NMSU is even an idea for a possible MWC candidate.

http://www.winsipedia.com/ranking/all-time-record

On the main board someone post the link to all the FBS schools winning percent. We're ahead of UTEP, and UNLV, while behind UNM by a little.

UTEP isn't really winning now either. I hadn't realized they were even worse than us historically!
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(09-21-2021 02:16 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 03:45 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  Correct. The SMU, Tulsa, UTSA, UTEP and a few others will get the call before NMSU is even an idea for a possible MWC candidate.

http://www.winsipedia.com/ranking/all-time-record

On the main board someone post the link to all the FBS schools winning percent. We're ahead of UTEP, and UNLV, while behind UNM by a little.

UTEP isn't really winning now either. I hadn't realized they were even worse than us historically!

Up until 1980, NMSU actually had a winning overall record in football. It has been the last 40+ years that NMSU has struggled mightily. NMSU has had only a handful of winning seasons (4 to be exact) since then.
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RE: Should the conference do anything if NMSU gets grabbed by the MWC?
(09-21-2021 04:00 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(09-21-2021 02:16 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 03:45 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  Correct. The SMU, Tulsa, UTSA, UTEP and a few others will get the call before NMSU is even an idea for a possible MWC candidate.

http://www.winsipedia.com/ranking/all-time-record

On the main board someone post the link to all the FBS schools winning percent. We're ahead of UTEP, and UNLV, while behind UNM by a little.

UTEP isn't really winning now either. I hadn't realized they were even worse than us historically!

Up until 1980, NMSU actually had a winning overall record in football. It has been the last 40+ years that NMSU has struggled mightily. NMSU has had only a handful of winning seasons (4 to be exact) since then.

That's interesting. That's around the time Division 1 split into 1-A and 1-AA.
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(09-20-2021 10:49 PM)WestTexas409 Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 03:45 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  Correct. The SMU, Tulsa, UTSA, UTEP and a few others will get the call before NMSU is even an idea for a possible MWC candidate.


SMU and Tulsa are in the American. Isn’t that a step down?

Not in the eyes of the MWC. But in recent memory, yes, it would have been a step down going from the AAC to the MWC but if the AAC can’t reload with teams to match the MWC they’ll fall a notch below. As it was the AAC was already similar to the MWC in terms of competition and rating. Losing their best teams just narrowed that gap even further. Some could argue, and rightfully so, that the MWC is now the best G5 and holds the cards.

But nothing is ever said and done until ESPN sticks it’s nose in and makes a ruling.
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(09-21-2021 06:42 AM)YesCubanB Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 10:49 PM)WestTexas409 Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 03:45 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  Correct. The SMU, Tulsa, UTSA, UTEP and a few others will get the call before NMSU is even an idea for a possible MWC candidate.


SMU and Tulsa are in the American. Isn’t that a step down?

Not in the eyes of the MWC. But in recent memory, yes, it would have been a step down going from the AAC to the MWC but if the AAC can’t reload with teams to match the MWC they’ll fall a notch below. As it was the AAC was already similar to the MWC in terms of competition and rating. Losing their best teams just narrowed that gap even further. Some could argue, and rightfully so, that the MWC is now the best G5 and holds the cards.

But nothing is ever said and done until ESPN sticks it’s nose in and makes a ruling.

The Mountain West is ahead of who the AAC has left. I couldn't name even one team available to add that could begin to match what they lost. The Mountain West is more stable than just about any conference. They aren't likely to get picked apart, which means we're still on the outside looking in.

While probably bad for NMSU, all the schools listed above should jump to the Mountain West, stop their decades long conference flopping/hopping and just accept it.
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(09-21-2021 06:51 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(09-21-2021 06:42 AM)YesCubanB Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 10:49 PM)WestTexas409 Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 03:45 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  Correct. The SMU, Tulsa, UTSA, UTEP and a few others will get the call before NMSU is even an idea for a possible MWC candidate.


SMU and Tulsa are in the American. Isn’t that a step down?

Not in the eyes of the MWC. But in recent memory, yes, it would have been a step down going from the AAC to the MWC but if the AAC can’t reload with teams to match the MWC they’ll fall a notch below. As it was the AAC was already similar to the MWC in terms of competition and rating. Losing their best teams just narrowed that gap even further. Some could argue, and rightfully so, that the MWC is now the best G5 and holds the cards.

But nothing is ever said and done until ESPN sticks it’s nose in and makes a ruling.

The Mountain West is ahead of who the AAC has left. I couldn't name even one team available to add that could begin to match what they lost. The Mountain West is more stable than just about any conference. They aren't likely to get picked apart, which means we're still on the outside looking in.

While probably bad for NMSU, all the schools listed above should jump to the Mountain West, stop their decades long conference flopping/hopping and just accept it.

We will always be on the outside looking in when it comes to the MWC conference unfortunately. From their fan board it sounds like at least the fans wouldn’t be opposed to having us if we weren’t so terrible in fb. I think teams like USU, Nevada and UNLV remember how good the basketball games were between us.

The only way I see us switching conferences is if the AAC/Sun Belt raids CUSA for its best teams and UTEP is still left on an island by themselves and then adding us as an easy travel partner. At that point it would be great to have a fb conference home but I think I like the potential in the new WAC more as far as other sports go. Of course this is depending on who is left in CUSA.
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(09-21-2021 08:44 AM)YesCubanB Wrote:  
(09-21-2021 06:51 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(09-21-2021 06:42 AM)YesCubanB Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 10:49 PM)WestTexas409 Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 03:45 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  Correct. The SMU, Tulsa, UTSA, UTEP and a few others will get the call before NMSU is even an idea for a possible MWC candidate.


SMU and Tulsa are in the American. Isn’t that a step down?

Not in the eyes of the MWC. But in recent memory, yes, it would have been a step down going from the AAC to the MWC but if the AAC can’t reload with teams to match the MWC they’ll fall a notch below. As it was the AAC was already similar to the MWC in terms of competition and rating. Losing their best teams just narrowed that gap even further. Some could argue, and rightfully so, that the MWC is now the best G5 and holds the cards.

But nothing is ever said and done until ESPN sticks it’s nose in and makes a ruling.

The Mountain West is ahead of who the AAC has left. I couldn't name even one team available to add that could begin to match what they lost. The Mountain West is more stable than just about any conference. They aren't likely to get picked apart, which means we're still on the outside looking in.

While probably bad for NMSU, all the schools listed above should jump to the Mountain West, stop their decades long conference flopping/hopping and just accept it.

We will always be on the outside looking in when it comes to the MWC conference unfortunately. From their fan board it sounds like at least the fans wouldn’t be opposed to having us if we weren’t so terrible in fb. I think teams like USU, Nevada and UNLV remember how good the basketball games were between us.

The only way I see us switching conferences is if the AAC/Sun Belt raids CUSA for its best teams and UTEP is still left on an island by themselves and then adding us as an easy travel partner. At that point it would be great to have a fb conference home but I think I like the potential in the new WAC more as far as other sports go. Of course this is depending on who is left in CUSA.

It will be interesting to see things shake out in the next couple of years. If we got an invite elsewhere, I think the WAC would have few options other than some D2 move ups or the eastern division talks of schools like McNeese. With this many Central Time Zone schools now, I don't see the WAC being appealing to anyone out West unless they are totally desperate.

If I deciding personally, I'd say no to the Sunbelt and CUSA both if they had openings for whatever reason. We don't need either that much. If those were the only options, I'd stay put until the Texas schools move on and then see what the WAC looks like at that point. There are still some schools I think will head our way in the future, and I wouldn't mind staying put until we can join up.
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(09-19-2021 08:38 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  From a Fansided by Joey Loose @jloose128

posted a week ago

article on MWC potential schools.


New Mexico State
There is a lot of uncertainty due to conference realignment, and there are a few assumptions we can make for adding each of these schools. No matter which teams have left or joined the Mountain West, New Mexico State is certainly worth a look, but there are also a number of question marks. Before we get into that, it’s important to laud that these Aggies have completely dominated the WAC in basketball since joining in 2005.

However, there’s bad with the good. Football has been a disaster and this program doesn’t seem like they’re suddenly going to be on the cusp of greatness, even if they join the Mountain West. The Aggies have been independent in football for the last four seasons, with a 6-22 mark in that time span. Coach Doug Martin led the team to an Arizona Bowl win in 2017, but you have to go back to 2002 to find their second most recent season over .500.

You also have to wonder if New Mexico would really want to see their in-state rivals join their league, especially when the Aggies didn’t join the Mountain West years ago with former WAC conferences mates like Boise State and Fresno State, among others. There’s also certainly a question about how that basketball program would fare when you ramp up the competition a notch or two. However, New Mexico State has the geography, brings a talented basketball program, and could certainly use this conference to improve football in the coming years.

Good article, lopes. I read it last week. The key point is the "Aggies have completely dominated the WAC in basketball since joining in 2005". That would be WAC 1.0 and WAC 2.0. Vamos a ver on WAC 3.0...

Interesting thing here, is that they note that we have been dominating the WAC since 2005, but in the same article wonder aloud how we would do in the current MWC. We were beating those teams in the WAC. It may take a minute, but we can do it again.

GO AGGIES!!!!

I noticed that as well and was gonna add it to my post. But I thought the fact that NMSU has dominated since 2005 was much more important...05-stirthepot
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(09-21-2021 11:49 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 04:35 PM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 08:56 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(09-19-2021 08:38 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  From a Fansided by Joey Loose @jloose128

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New Mexico State
There is a lot of uncertainty due to conference realignment, and there are a few assumptions we can make for adding each of these schools. No matter which teams have left or joined the Mountain West, New Mexico State is certainly worth a look, but there are also a number of question marks. Before we get into that, it’s important to laud that these Aggies have completely dominated the WAC in basketball since joining in 2005.

However, there’s bad with the good. Football has been a disaster and this program doesn’t seem like they’re suddenly going to be on the cusp of greatness, even if they join the Mountain West. The Aggies have been independent in football for the last four seasons, with a 6-22 mark in that time span. Coach Doug Martin led the team to an Arizona Bowl win in 2017, but you have to go back to 2002 to find their second most recent season over .500.

You also have to wonder if New Mexico would really want to see their in-state rivals join their league, especially when the Aggies didn’t join the Mountain West years ago with former WAC conferences mates like Boise State and Fresno State, among others. There’s also certainly a question about how that basketball program would fare when you ramp up the competition a notch or two. However, New Mexico State has the geography, brings a talented basketball program, and could certainly use this conference to improve football in the coming years.

Good article, lopes. I read it last week. The key point is the "Aggies have completely dominated the WAC in basketball since joining in 2005". That would be WAC 1.0 and WAC 2.0. Vamos a ver on WAC 3.0...

Interesting thing here, is that they note that we have been dominating the WAC since 2005, but in the same article wonder aloud how we would do in the current MWC. We were beating those teams in the WAC. It may take a minute, but we can do it again.

GO AGGIES!!!!

I noticed that as well and was gonna add it to my post. But I thought the fact that NMSU has dominated since 2005 was much more important...05-stirthepot

Bring it USU and Nevada.
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(09-21-2021 06:42 AM)YesCubanB Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 10:49 PM)WestTexas409 Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 03:45 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  Correct. The SMU, Tulsa, UTSA, UTEP and a few others will get the call before NMSU is even an idea for a possible MWC candidate.


SMU and Tulsa are in the American. Isn’t that a step down?

Not in the eyes of the MWC. But in recent memory, yes, it would have been a step down going from the AAC to the MWC but if the AAC can’t reload with teams to match the MWC they’ll fall a notch below. As it was the AAC was already similar to the MWC in terms of competition and rating. Losing their best teams just narrowed that gap even further. Some could argue, and rightfully so, that the MWC is now the best G5 and holds the cards.

But nothing is ever said and done until ESPN sticks it’s nose in and makes a ruling.

Some may say the Sunbelt has even surpassed the MWC.
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(09-21-2021 11:27 AM)Todor Wrote:  
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(09-21-2021 06:51 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(09-21-2021 06:42 AM)YesCubanB Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 10:49 PM)WestTexas409 Wrote:  SMU and Tulsa are in the American. Isn’t that a step down?

Not in the eyes of the MWC. But in recent memory, yes, it would have been a step down going from the AAC to the MWC but if the AAC can’t reload with teams to match the MWC they’ll fall a notch below. As it was the AAC was already similar to the MWC in terms of competition and rating. Losing their best teams just narrowed that gap even further. Some could argue, and rightfully so, that the MWC is now the best G5 and holds the cards.

But nothing is ever said and done until ESPN sticks it’s nose in and makes a ruling.

The Mountain West is ahead of who the AAC has left. I couldn't name even one team available to add that could begin to match what they lost. The Mountain West is more stable than just about any conference. They aren't likely to get picked apart, which means we're still on the outside looking in.

While probably bad for NMSU, all the schools listed above should jump to the Mountain West, stop their decades long conference flopping/hopping and just accept it.

We will always be on the outside looking in when it comes to the MWC conference unfortunately. From their fan board it sounds like at least the fans wouldn’t be opposed to having us if we weren’t so terrible in fb. I think teams like USU, Nevada and UNLV remember how good the basketball games were between us.

The only way I see us switching conferences is if the AAC/Sun Belt raids CUSA for its best teams and UTEP is still left on an island by themselves and then adding us as an easy travel partner. At that point it would be great to have a fb conference home but I think I like the potential in the new WAC more as far as other sports go. Of course this is depending on who is left in CUSA.

It will be interesting to see things shake out in the next couple of years. If we got an invite elsewhere, I think the WAC would have few options other than some D2 move ups or the eastern division talks of schools like McNeese. With this many Central Time Zone schools now, I don't see the WAC being appealing to anyone out West unless they are totally desperate.

If I deciding personally, I'd say no to the Sunbelt and CUSA both if they had openings for whatever reason. We don't need either that much. If those were the only options, I'd stay put until the Texas schools move on and then see what the WAC looks like at that point. There are still some schools I think will head our way in the future, and I wouldn't mind staying put until we can join up.

I would totally agree with you if we knew for sure the Texas school would and could eventually make the jump to FBS. I like the WACs footprint much more than what we would have in CUSA.
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RE: Should the conference do anything if NMSU gets grabbed by the MWC?
Let's get back to the thread title "Should the conference (WAC) do anything if NMSU gets grabbed by the MWC" or any other FBS conference for that matter. That answer is much different than might NMSU get invited to a FBS conference. If NMSU were to leave then the WAC would be at twelve schools with eight FCS football teams assuming UTRGV does add football. With eight football schools and four non-football it would not be important to add one school to replace them but it might still be worth adding two more football schools for the long term stability of the conference if you think there is a possibility of another football school leaving in the near future. If I were on the conference committee, I would be satisfied with the twelve left and picky toward who the WAC might add.
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If the WAC and their little goofy golden ticket thing is going to work, maybe they should focus on adding schools that are FBS ready and would benefit the conference if it were to move up. Time to kick out NMSU and add Incarnate Word.
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