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RE: SEC network saying Big 12 has 4 teams in mind
(07-27-2021 10:54 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  We talk a lot about Marshal, UAB, and USM but realistically we need a UTSA for Texas St. I know App really wants an Eastern based conference but we are a mini SEC not the mini ACC. UTSA would be a great add and also would bring marketz!

I think most of us (me included) want Marshall + a west team. UAB & Southern Miss have a name and history that most of us recognize - So that's who we mention. In the end you probably won't see much opposition if UTSA were to be invited instead. It would make a lot of sense for Texas St.
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(07-27-2021 11:00 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  AAC's TV value is going to drop like a rock if Cincy, Houston, and Memphis leave. That's also their top basketball programs.

It would almost be foolish for any SBC teams to leave for the AAC if that happens. The same exact thing that happened to CUSA after they got raided will happen to the AAC. The SBC, if it can hold on to everyone and then make strong additions, can become the new G5 powerhouse very quickly.


You mean going to the college football hot spots of Philly and Tulsa and Tampa wouldn't be great???
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RE: SEC network saying Big 12 has 4 teams in mind
(07-27-2021 10:03 AM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 09:58 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 09:52 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Chasing the AAC will provide for some Frankenstein conferences that will see revenues stagnant and lack of interest from fanbases. Think three CUSAs five years from now.

That's why the Belt needs to stay together and add 2 quality teams. Nobody needs to leave thinking the grass is greener. The Belt is getting stronger and even ESPN sees it. Tired of seeing App fans wanting to leave. They are acting like Texas. You want to join CUSA and AAC rejects. Look how that turned out for CUSA version 3.

I’d love to see the SBC get out in front of this, but if you were admin at Marshall or USM or UAB how would react to the call from the SBC knowing the AAC will be backfilling?

That's my biggest concern with trying to add a couple teams right now. If the AAC gets raided can we lock someone in, or are they going to bounce asap if the AAC comes calling? There will still be enough good AAC schools to make it attractive for a lot of Presidents to join.

The AA could also fold since there would be a huge void in the middle of the league. There are a lot of moving parts right now.
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RE: SEC network saying Big 12 has 4 teams in mind
(07-27-2021 10:54 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  We talk a lot about Marshal, UAB, and USM but realistically we need a UTSA for Texas St. I know App really wants an Eastern based conference but we are a mini SEC not the mini ACC. UTSA would be a great add and also would bring marketz!

It's also not assisting those who jumped ship years ago either.
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I was hoping the Big 12 would scatter amongst the other P5's. If they grab AAC teams this version of SBC is toast. Just like Memphis jumped to the Big East when their big dogs left if AAC comes calling to some of our teams. Well they will be falling all over each other to go. We have seen this twice. Big east and CUSA. Sometimes I think the over educated guys and girls that run these schools are just stupid.
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RE: SEC network saying Big 12 has 4 teams in mind
(07-27-2021 11:17 AM)OsageJ Wrote:  I was hoping the Big 12 would scatter amongst the other P5's. If they grab AAC teams this version of SBC is toast. Just like Memphis jumped to the Big East when their big dogs left if AAC comes calling to some of our teams. Well they will be falling all over each other to go. We have seen this twice. Big east and CUSA. Sometimes I think the over educated guys and girls that run these schools are just stupid.

They will. Losing Texas and Oklahoma will be too big of a financial and perception loss to the Big 12. Backfilling with Houston, Cincy, BYU, and Memphis won't make up for it. They will see that they will be better off joining PAC-12, Big10, and ACC, than staying in a watered down Big12. With the Big 12 gone, all that money can be split up and given to the remaining P4, so the portion for each team will remain around the same. The SEC sets the standard, so they go to 16, Big10, PAC12, and ACC will follow suit.
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RE: SEC network saying Big 12 has 4 teams in mind
(07-27-2021 11:27 AM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 11:17 AM)OsageJ Wrote:  I was hoping the Big 12 would scatter amongst the other P5's. If they grab AAC teams this version of SBC is toast. Just like Memphis jumped to the Big East when their big dogs left if AAC comes calling to some of our teams. Well they will be falling all over each other to go. We have seen this twice. Big east and CUSA. Sometimes I think the over educated guys and girls that run these schools are just stupid.

They will. Losing Texas and Oklahoma will be too big of a financial and perception loss to the Big 12. Backfilling with Houston, Cincy, BYU, and Memphis won't make up for it. They will see that they will be better off joining PAC-12, Big10, and ACC, than staying in a watered down Big12. With the Big 12 gone, all that money can be split up and given to the remaining P4, so the portion for each team will remain around the same. The SEC sets the standard, so they go to 16, Big10, PAC12, and ACC will follow suit.

Next man up. Unless some of the 8 remaining teams get traction to leave for another P5, I think Big 12 will add members ASAP.
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If those 4 teams leave the AAC then Navy will go back Independent. That would leave 6 AAC, 10 SBC, and 14 CUSA schools with no conference being head and shoulders above the rest. How about we take those 30 schools, add in NMSU, and either Liberty or JMU to give us 32 teams. Then make two 16 team conferences with four pods each as follows.

Western league
Pod 1: NMSU, UTEP, UTSA, Tx State
Pod 2: Tulsa, UNT, SMU, Rice
Pod 3: Ark. State, LT, UL, ULM
Pod 4: Tulane, USM, USA, Troy

Eastern League
Pod 1: Temple, Marshall, ODU, Liberty/JMU
Pod 2: App, ECU, UNCC, CCU
Pod 3: GSU, UAB, WKU, MTSU
Pod 4: GS, USF, FAU, FIU

Go to ESPN as a group to work out a TV package.

Disclosure: I doubt this would ever actually happen, but it would make a ton of sense.
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RE: SEC network saying Big 12 has 4 teams in mind
(07-27-2021 09:24 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  AAC minus those four would be:

Temple
Navy
ECU
USF
Tulane
Tulsa
SMU

That is a mess.

I'll say it again, let's grab Marshall and one other program and the SBC can be the best G5 conference.

Otherwise we've have chaos and individual schools creating some weird outcomes.

Stop. It, your making too much sense.
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CUSA and MWC talked about a mega league years ago. Probably a reason it didn't happen.
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(07-27-2021 11:48 AM)JTApps1 Wrote:  If those 4 teams leave the AAC then Navy will go back Independent. That would leave 6 AAC, 10 SBC, and 14 CUSA schools with no conference being head and shoulders above the rest. How about we take those 30 schools, add in NMSU, and either Liberty or JMU to give us 32 teams. Then make two 16 team conferences with four pods each as follows.

Western league
Pod 1: NMSU, UTEP, UTSA, Tx State
Pod 2: Tulsa, UNT, SMU, Rice
Pod 3: Ark. State, LT, UL, ULM
Pod 4: Tulane, USM, USA, Troy

Eastern League
Pod 1: Temple, Marshall, ODU, Liberty/JMU
Pod 2: App, ECU, UNCC, CCU
Pod 3: GSU, UAB, WKU, MTSU
Pod 4: GS, USF, FAU, FIU

Go to ESPN as a group to work out a TV package.

Disclosure: I doubt this would ever actually happen, but it would make a ton of sense.

It won't surprise me to see the top 32, 40, etc. teams create their own version of the NFL-NBA and just run with it 15, 20 years down the line. The money they could make would be astronomical. We also know that protecting the best of the sport is no longer the intention. They could still schedule FBS teams but would be competing under one banner and multiple divisions vs multiple conferences and one organization. 8 pods of X teams. Use NFL and NBA style playoff.

The remaining FBS schools would then have the bowls + their own playoffs.
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(07-27-2021 11:54 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  CUSA and MWC talked about a mega league years ago. Probably a reason it didn't happen.

I think the top dogs could get it done because of the demand for those level of games.
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(07-27-2021 09:39 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 09:24 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  AAC minus those four would be:

Temple
Navy
ECU
USF
Tulane
Tulsa
SMU

That is a mess.

I'll say it again, let's grab Marshall and one other program and the SBC can be the best G5 conference.

Otherwise we've have chaos and individual schools creating some weird outcomes.

I say with the AAC losing its 4 mammoth teams, now is the perfect time to implode and build something new.

Mountain East Conference:

Mountain Division:
WKU, MTSU, Marshall, App State, Charlotte, Georgia State, UAB

East Division:
Navy, ODU, ECU, Coastal, Georgia Southern, USF, Troy

There's already a Mountain East Conference.

I like this lineup though.
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So much for the P6....
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(07-27-2021 11:54 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  CUSA and MWC talked about a mega league years ago. Probably a reason it didn't happen.

Things have changed quickly though. The WAC 16 with pods seemed crazy years ago, but not it appears the SEC is copying that format.
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BYU would take the invite to B12 no doubt. This is what they've been waiting for, refusing AAC all these years.
That leaves 3 spots.
Cinci and Houston to B12 are no brainer.
could see a spicy drama if Memphis is picked over SMU or UCF.
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I hope App doesn’t go to the left over AAC conference if they lose 3 or more teams.

Invite Marshall to the SBC East, and UAB to the SBC West. Done.
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(07-27-2021 09:46 AM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 09:24 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  AAC minus those four would be:

Temple
Navy
ECU
USF
Tulane
Tulsa
SMU

That is a mess.

I'll say it again, let's grab Marshall and one other program and the SBC can be the best G5 conference.

Otherwise we've have chaos and individual schools creating some weird outcomes.

Add to that list AppState, Marshall, UAB, Louisiana…

Okay. I'm taking the upside of what's left of the Sun Belt and add two more that fit the footprint. Troy, Ark state, GS, Ga state, USA, Coastal, Texas state, and ULM. Good chance CUSA outliers are open to conversations at this point. Bye. 04-cheers
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This mythical east coast league doesn't have bowl tie-ins.
This mythical east coast league doesn't have an NCAA bid
This mythical east coast league doesn't have a media deal
This mythical east coast league doesn't have a contract with the CFP



No one wants to move to CUSA with its awful media deal.


Load up the Sun Belt.

Let's Roll.
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(07-27-2021 12:06 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 11:48 AM)JTApps1 Wrote:  If those 4 teams leave the AAC then Navy will go back Independent. That would leave 6 AAC, 10 SBC, and 14 CUSA schools with no conference being head and shoulders above the rest. How about we take those 30 schools, add in NMSU, and either Liberty or JMU to give us 32 teams. Then make two 16 team conferences with four pods each as follows.

Western league
Pod 1: NMSU, UTEP, UTSA, Tx State
Pod 2: Tulsa, UNT, SMU, Rice
Pod 3: Ark. State, LT, UL, ULM
Pod 4: Tulane, USM, USA, Troy

Eastern League
Pod 1: Temple, Marshall, ODU, Liberty/JMU
Pod 2: App, ECU, UNCC, CCU
Pod 3: GSU, UAB, WKU, MTSU
Pod 4: GS, USF, FAU, FIU

Go to ESPN as a group to work out a TV package.

Disclosure: I doubt this would ever actually happen, but it would make a ton of sense.

It won't surprise me to see the top 32, 40, etc. teams create their own version of the NFL-NBA and just run with it 15, 20 years down the line. The money they could make would be astronomical. We also know that protecting the best of the sport is no longer the intention. They could still schedule FBS teams but would be competing under one banner and multiple divisions vs multiple conferences and one organization. 8 pods of X teams. Use NFL and NBA style playoff.

The remaining FBS schools would then have the bowls + their own playoffs.

I think you are spot on with your take on where all this is headed. The only question really is how quickly will it come about.
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