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RE: Bilas: The ACC should approach the SEC about a merger
I doubt this would happen. Does not seem realistic as there are too many overlapping areas.
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RE: Bilas: The ACC should approach the SEC about a merger
(07-26-2021 11:35 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  I doubt this would happen. Does not seem realistic as there are too many overlapping areas.

Think 24 geographically friendly teams split in to 2 conferences. Promotion and Relegation. Like they do it in Euro soccer.
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RE: Bilas: The ACC should approach the SEC about a merger
First of all nobody would be out.
Like it or not BC, Syracuse and Pitt would not be out. Wake Forest and Vanderbilt would not be out.
Teams would be shifted but not eliminated.
What you would end up with is two 15 team conferences.

SEC
Texas, A&M, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri
Florida, Florida State, Auburn, Clemson, Georgia
Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss. State, Tennessee, LSU

ACC
NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville, Kentucky, South Carolina
Miami, Virginia Tech, Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College
Georgia Tech, Vanderbilt, Carolina, Duke, UVa.

Notre Dame would continue their partial contract with the ACC, but perhaps add one game per year with the SEC.
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RE: Bilas: The ACC should approach the SEC about a merger
(07-27-2021 04:39 AM)XLance Wrote:  First of all nobody would be out.
Like it or not BC, Syracuse and Pitt would not be out. Wake Forest and Vanderbilt would not be out.
Teams would be shifted but not eliminated.
What you would end up with is two 15 team conferences.

SEC
Texas, A&M, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri
Florida, Florida State, Auburn, Clemson, Georgia
Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss. State, Tennessee, LSU

ACC
NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville, Kentucky, South Carolina
Miami, Virginia Tech, Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College
Georgia Tech, Vanderbilt, Carolina, Duke, UVa.

Notre Dame would continue their partial contract with the ACC, but perhaps add one game per year with the SEC.


The low value teams of the ACC won't be saved.

The only thing they can do is drown some of the high value programs of the ACC with them.


The ACC's entire issue issue is....it has too much dead weight and they want to save them. This will be what dooms the ACC.
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RE: Bilas: The ACC should approach the SEC about a merger
(07-27-2021 07:38 AM)nole Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 04:39 AM)XLance Wrote:  First of all nobody would be out.
Like it or not BC, Syracuse and Pitt would not be out. Wake Forest and Vanderbilt would not be out.
Teams would be shifted but not eliminated.
What you would end up with is two 15 team conferences.

SEC
Texas, A&M, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri
Florida, Florida State, Auburn, Clemson, Georgia
Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss. State, Tennessee, LSU

ACC
NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville, Kentucky, South Carolina
Miami, Virginia Tech, Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College
Georgia Tech, Vanderbilt, Carolina, Duke, UVa.

Notre Dame would continue their partial contract with the ACC, but perhaps add one game per year with the SEC.


The low value teams of the ACC won't be saved.

The only thing they can do is drown some of the high value programs of the ACC with them.


The ACC's entire issue issue is....it has too much dead weight and they want to save them. This will be what dooms the ACC.

Agreed. Too many folks look at Vanderbilt and say "team X is as good as they are"... but that's irrelevant. Are you at least as good as South Carolina, Arkansas, or Missouri? If not, you probably won't make it...
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RE: Bilas: The ACC should approach the SEC about a merger
(07-27-2021 08:59 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 07:38 AM)nole Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 04:39 AM)XLance Wrote:  First of all nobody would be out.
Like it or not BC, Syracuse and Pitt would not be out. Wake Forest and Vanderbilt would not be out.
Teams would be shifted but not eliminated.
What you would end up with is two 15 team conferences.

SEC
Texas, A&M, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri
Florida, Florida State, Auburn, Clemson, Georgia
Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss. State, Tennessee, LSU

ACC
NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville, Kentucky, South Carolina
Miami, Virginia Tech, Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College
Georgia Tech, Vanderbilt, Carolina, Duke, UVa.

Notre Dame would continue their partial contract with the ACC, but perhaps add one game per year with the SEC.


The low value teams of the ACC won't be saved.

The only thing they can do is drown some of the high value programs of the ACC with them.


The ACC's entire issue issue is....it has too much dead weight and they want to save them. This will be what dooms the ACC.

Agreed. Too many folks look at Vanderbilt and say "team X is as good as they are"... but that's irrelevant. Are you at least as good as South Carolina, Arkansas, or Missouri? If not, you probably won't make it...

I agree with X that nobody will be left out. What's likeliest to happen is for the ACC's truly upward programs, and those who dominate key state's TV ratings, and those which have nationally recognized brands to be transferred to the high pay conference where one of its 3 lowest producers moves over or takes a partial role. Then the ACC becomes the economy car lot. Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Kansas State, T.C.U., Baylor, W.V.U., Texas Tech and maybe B.Y.U. move in. So you lose brands to the SEC, lose Clemson and FSU to the SEC, possibly even Notre Dame, UNC and UVa, and maybe Duke who plays as a everything but football member, and ESPN uses the SEC to be a luxury sedan lot and pays top dollar their for an abundance of endless high dollar brand vs brand games and uses the economy lot to fill all of it's T2 & T3 & streaming needs. And what ESPN begins to do is lease rights to CBS, NBC (which covers ND) and in the process nearly all luxury lot games are on in prime time (a major reason OU bolted).

And please don't get angry with me as I don't like it anymore than you do but it's clear to me what's being done.

When? It could be soon or it could be 1 or 2 schools join the ACC now and ESPN keeps your brands lean until they accept the terms. I would watch FOX and the Big 10/PAC issue. If they merge in any fashion ESPN is greenlighted to move up the issue on the timeline.

I'm pretty sure we are headed to 2 leagues for a breakaway with a third league built until schools see if the can make it in a pay for play world. The two leagues formed will be the networks' way of trying to isolate brands they think are essential in "too big too fail" overpaid sheltered leagues. It's not fair, or right, but it is how a power spoiled corporate America thinks since they view their own privilege not by what they do, but how they are perceived.
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RE: Bilas: The ACC should approach the SEC about a merger
(07-27-2021 10:03 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 08:59 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 07:38 AM)nole Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 04:39 AM)XLance Wrote:  First of all nobody would be out.
Like it or not BC, Syracuse and Pitt would not be out. Wake Forest and Vanderbilt would not be out.
Teams would be shifted but not eliminated.
What you would end up with is two 15 team conferences.

SEC
Texas, A&M, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri
Florida, Florida State, Auburn, Clemson, Georgia
Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss. State, Tennessee, LSU

ACC
NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville, Kentucky, South Carolina
Miami, Virginia Tech, Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College
Georgia Tech, Vanderbilt, Carolina, Duke, UVa.

Notre Dame would continue their partial contract with the ACC, but perhaps add one game per year with the SEC.


The low value teams of the ACC won't be saved.

The only thing they can do is drown some of the high value programs of the ACC with them.


The ACC's entire issue issue is....it has too much dead weight and they want to save them. This will be what dooms the ACC.

Agreed. Too many folks look at Vanderbilt and say "team X is as good as they are"... but that's irrelevant. Are you at least as good as South Carolina, Arkansas, or Missouri? If not, you probably won't make it...

I agree with X that nobody will be left out. What's likeliest to happen is for the ACC's truly upward programs, and those who dominate key state's TV ratings, and those which have nationally recognized brands to be transferred to the high pay conference where one of its 3 lowest producers moves over or takes a partial role. Then the ACC becomes the economy car lot. Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Kansas State, T.C.U., Baylor, W.V.U., Texas Tech and maybe B.Y.U. move in. So you lose brands to the SEC, lose Clemson and FSU to the SEC, possibly even Notre Dame, UNC and UVa, and maybe Duke who plays as a everything but football member, and ESPN uses the SEC to be a luxury sedan lot and pays top dollar their for an abundance of endless high dollar brand vs brand games and uses the economy lot to fill all of it's T2 & T3 & streaming needs. And what ESPN begins to do is lease rights to CBS, NBC (which covers ND) and in the process nearly all luxury lot games are on in prime time (a major reason OU bolted).

And please don't get angry with me as I don't like it anymore than you do but it's clear to me what's being done.

When? It could be soon or it could be 1 or 2 schools join the ACC now and ESPN keeps your brands lean until they accept the terms. I would watch FOX and the Big 10/PAC issue. If they merge in any fashion ESPN is greenlighted to move up the issue on the timeline.

I'm pretty sure we are headed to 2 leagues for a breakaway with a third league built until schools see if the can make it in a pay for play world. The two leagues formed will be the networks' way of trying to isolate brands they think are essential in "too big too fail" overpaid sheltered leagues. It's not fair, or right, but it is how a power spoiled corporate America thinks since they view their own privilege not by what they do, but how they are perceived.

I hate it, but you may be right. Just make sure VT gets into the "big boy" conference - the Hokies actually focus on the 2 biggest sports (I'm not even sure VT has a women's tennis team).
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RE: Bilas: The ACC should approach the SEC about a merger
(07-27-2021 10:28 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 10:03 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 08:59 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 07:38 AM)nole Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 04:39 AM)XLance Wrote:  First of all nobody would be out.
Like it or not BC, Syracuse and Pitt would not be out. Wake Forest and Vanderbilt would not be out.
Teams would be shifted but not eliminated.
What you would end up with is two 15 team conferences.

SEC
Texas, A&M, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri
Florida, Florida State, Auburn, Clemson, Georgia
Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss. State, Tennessee, LSU

ACC
NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville, Kentucky, South Carolina
Miami, Virginia Tech, Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College
Georgia Tech, Vanderbilt, Carolina, Duke, UVa.

Notre Dame would continue their partial contract with the ACC, but perhaps add one game per year with the SEC.


The low value teams of the ACC won't be saved.

The only thing they can do is drown some of the high value programs of the ACC with them.


The ACC's entire issue issue is....it has too much dead weight and they want to save them. This will be what dooms the ACC.

Agreed. Too many folks look at Vanderbilt and say "team X is as good as they are"... but that's irrelevant. Are you at least as good as South Carolina, Arkansas, or Missouri? If not, you probably won't make it...

I agree with X that nobody will be left out. What's likeliest to happen is for the ACC's truly upward programs, and those who dominate key state's TV ratings, and those which have nationally recognized brands to be transferred to the high pay conference where one of its 3 lowest producers moves over or takes a partial role. Then the ACC becomes the economy car lot. Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Kansas State, T.C.U., Baylor, W.V.U., Texas Tech and maybe B.Y.U. move in. So you lose brands to the SEC, lose Clemson and FSU to the SEC, possibly even Notre Dame, UNC and UVa, and maybe Duke who plays as a everything but football member, and ESPN uses the SEC to be a luxury sedan lot and pays top dollar their for an abundance of endless high dollar brand vs brand games and uses the economy lot to fill all of it's T2 & T3 & streaming needs. And what ESPN begins to do is lease rights to CBS, NBC (which covers ND) and in the process nearly all luxury lot games are on in prime time (a major reason OU bolted).

And please don't get angry with me as I don't like it anymore than you do but it's clear to me what's being done.

When? It could be soon or it could be 1 or 2 schools join the ACC now and ESPN keeps your brands lean until they accept the terms. I would watch FOX and the Big 10/PAC issue. If they merge in any fashion ESPN is greenlighted to move up the issue on the timeline.

I'm pretty sure we are headed to 2 leagues for a breakaway with a third league built until schools see if the can make it in a pay for play world. The two leagues formed will be the networks' way of trying to isolate brands they think are essential in "too big too fail" overpaid sheltered leagues. It's not fair, or right, but it is how a power spoiled corporate America thinks since they view their own privilege not by what they do, but how they are perceived.

I hate it, but you may be right. Just make sure VT gets into the "big boy" conference - the Hokies actually focus on the 2 biggest sports (I'm not even sure VT has a women's tennis team).

Just buy Virginia's!04-cheers
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RE: Bilas: The ACC should approach the SEC about a merger
JR here is where we are going to have to disagree.
I don't think that ESPN keeps any of the Big 12. The mouse has gotten everything out of that conference that they wanted (Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Missouri). The only value left on the table is Kansas and maybe West Virginia (which I'm sure the ACC would object to), everything else is AAC material.

15 is the perfect size. It gives a pod with enough teams to have a real champion, plus room to grow to 18 if necessary while still keeping the same basic format.

Keeping the Notre Dame contract is paramount.
My pods may be a little off for the ACC, but I really love the way that the SEC divides into 3 X 5.
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RE: Bilas: The ACC should approach the SEC about a merger
(07-27-2021 11:33 AM)XLance Wrote:  JR here is where we are going to have to disagree.
I don't think that ESPN keeps any of the Big 12. The mouse has gotten everything out of that conference that they wanted (Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Missouri). The only value left on the table is Kansas and maybe West Virginia (which I'm sure the ACC would object to), everything else is AAC material.

15 is the perfect size. It gives a pod with enough teams to have a real champion, plus room to grow to 18 if necessary while still keeping the same basic format.

Keeping the Notre Dame contract is paramount.
My pods may be a little off for the ACC, but I really love the way that the SEC divides into 3 X 5.


That all makes a lot of sense.

Do you think the ACC has a lot of "AAC material".....you think ESPN is going to save that AAC material or is it going to extract the value out of the ACC?
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RE: Bilas: The ACC should approach the SEC about a merger
(07-26-2021 06:13 PM)esayem Wrote:  JR: that would be insane, in a pretty exciting way actually.

How do you think conference tournaments would play out? Two separate tournaments to one conference? Olympic sports would almost have to be broken down in smaller groups.

I’d like to see Duke, Wake, and Vandy keep their football programs in. Maybe give them the option to commit to investing a certain amount?

A class B or Junior football league attached to the SEC/ACC would be watched. If you have Vandy, WF, and Duke in a set up along with Rice, Tulane, Army, Navy, and a couple of others that have specific restrictions or constraints. I think you combine that with 2-3 or 4 games with prior conference foes to finance their football programs.
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(07-27-2021 11:53 AM)Statefan Wrote:  
(07-26-2021 06:13 PM)esayem Wrote:  JR: that would be insane, in a pretty exciting way actually.

How do you think conference tournaments would play out? Two separate tournaments to one conference? Olympic sports would almost have to be broken down in smaller groups.

I’d like to see Duke, Wake, and Vandy keep their football programs in. Maybe give them the option to commit to investing a certain amount?

A class B or Junior football league attached to the SEC/ACC would be watched. If you have Vandy, WF, and Duke in a set up along with Rice, Tulane, Army, Navy, and a couple of others that have specific restrictions or constraints. I think you combine that with 2-3 or 4 games with prior conference foes to finance their football programs.

Hey, is the name Magnolia League still available?

The thing is, Duke and Wake have shown they can compete at the P5 level. I actually believe NIL helps them more than it hurts them. That is, if they choose to allow it to help.

Wake has gone to five straight bowl games.

Duke had a 10 win season and a close loss in the Peach Bowl this past decade. They’ve won three straight bowl games and have posted 9 and a couple 8-win seasons.

What has big, bad Miami done since joining almost 20 YEARS AGO? FSU has been a joke the last four years, but that’s actually Swofford’s fault so never mind!

The problem with the ACC is the top programs aren’t doing what they’re supposed to. Duke and Wake are overachieving if you think about it.

Now excuse me while I wash my mouth out with soap.
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RE: Bilas: The ACC should approach the SEC about a merger
(07-27-2021 11:38 AM)nole Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 11:33 AM)XLance Wrote:  JR here is where we are going to have to disagree.
I don't think that ESPN keeps any of the Big 12. The mouse has gotten everything out of that conference that they wanted (Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Missouri). The only value left on the table is Kansas and maybe West Virginia (which I'm sure the ACC would object to), everything else is AAC material.

15 is the perfect size. It gives a pod with enough teams to have a real champion, plus room to grow to 18 if necessary while still keeping the same basic format.

Keeping the Notre Dame contract is paramount.
My pods may be a little off for the ACC, but I really love the way that the SEC divides into 3 X 5.


That all makes a lot of sense.

Do you think the ACC has a lot of "AAC material".....you think ESPN is going to save that AAC material or is it going to extract the value out of the ACC?

I think X is missing the legal and practical reasons for the catch all conference. It's transitional in that it eliminates costly exit fees and damages. ESPN pays just enough to cover damages and includes enough to dissolve conferences eliminating exit fees.

I believe for a streaming world where money is in content high interest brand on brand play nothing is going to stop the consolidation of power. Money is huge because it assuages hurt feelings when the brand school has a bad year.

Here's the issue. There aren't available schools for the ACC to play catch up. ESPN isn't jacking up payouts to land ND and having to pay all of the ACC the same when they can just move them to the SEC at slightly more than pro rata.

You just watched this happen to the B12 and you think ESPN wants to fork out more for Pitt, BC, Wake, Duke football, and schools that should be producing but haven't in years? No.

I fear the SEC is being sculpted as a league which will eventually destroy our culture and alter our identity and I don't see that stopping because we had the best nucleus to build around. Personally I think we wind up with 5 ACC schools fully (ND, FSU, UNC, UVa or Va Tech, and Clemson). I think the ACC will be reformed as 1 of 2 catch all conferences or perhaps the catch all conference and that can't happen until UNC, UVa, and FSU have golden parachutes.

The conference will have value and full inclusion and will be great T2 content superior to the AAC in every way and likely paid about 40 million each to kill fees and damages. You can't win a damage suit if you are making more and you can't charge exit fees if everyone leaves or the result pays everyone more. And ESPN isn't going to sue itself for maximizing brand values.

A potential future ACC:
Boston College, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia
Georgia Tech, Miami, N.C. State, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest
Baylor, Brigham Young, Houston, TCU, Texas Tech
Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State

The ACCN covers 2 divisions and the old LHN covers the other two.

SEC:
Kentucky, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Tennessee, Virginia
Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina
Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M
Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas
* Duke and Vanderbilt all but football.

ESPN is going to consolidate branding so they can max out T1 with so many solid match ups that they can lease product to a CBS or NBC increasing school exposure and essentially becoming a broker as well as participant in broadcasting.
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(07-27-2021 12:09 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 11:53 AM)Statefan Wrote:  
(07-26-2021 06:13 PM)esayem Wrote:  JR: that would be insane, in a pretty exciting way actually.

How do you think conference tournaments would play out? Two separate tournaments to one conference? Olympic sports would almost have to be broken down in smaller groups.

I’d like to see Duke, Wake, and Vandy keep their football programs in. Maybe give them the option to commit to investing a certain amount?

A class B or Junior football league attached to the SEC/ACC would be watched. If you have Vandy, WF, and Duke in a set up along with Rice, Tulane, Army, Navy, and a couple of others that have specific restrictions or constraints. I think you combine that with 2-3 or 4 games with prior conference foes to finance their football programs.

Hey, is the name Magnolia League still available?

The thing is, Duke and Wake have shown they can compete at the P5 level. I actually believe NIL helps them more than it hurts them. That is, if they choose to allow it to help.

Wake has gone to five straight bowl games.

Duke had a 10 win season and a close loss in the Peach Bowl this past decade. They’ve won three straight bowl games and have posted 9 and a couple 8-win seasons.

What has big, bad Miami done since joining almost 20 YEARS AGO? FSU has been a joke the last four years, but that’s actually Swofford’s fault so never mind!

The problem with the ACC is the top programs aren’t doing what they’re supposed to. Duke and Wake are overachieving if you think about it.

Now excuse me while I wash my mouth out with soap.
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Really ? What has Texas actually done since 2010 or around ? Oklahoma has been off and on. Miami and FSU, Even in bad years like Texas and Oklahoma move the needle
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(07-27-2021 05:24 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Really ? What has Texas actually done since 2010 or around ? Oklahoma has been off and on. Miami and FSU, Even in bad years like Texas and Oklahoma move the needle

You must not remember Miami before they joined the ACC.

Did FSU not stink it up the last four years?

I’m trying to figure out how you’re attempting to argue with anything I said. Texas and Oklahoma are not in the ACC and they’re not the ACC’s problem.
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(07-27-2021 12:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  ...
A potential future ACC:
Boston College, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia
Georgia Tech, Miami, N.C. State, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest
Baylor, Brigham Young, Houston, TCU, Texas Tech
Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State

The ACCN covers 2 divisions and the old LHN covers the other two.

SEC:
Kentucky, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Tennessee, Virginia
Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina
Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M
Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas
* Duke and Vanderbilt all but football.

So, essentially, VT would be playing Boston College, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia, Georgia Tech, Miami, N.C. State, and Wake Forest every year?

As a Virginia Tech fan, honestly, I could live with that.

I would watch way more of that ACC football than the new SEC, too, because those are most of the teams I enjoy watching - though I would miss Clemson and Florida State. The fact that the Hokies won't get paid as much, won't be able to afford the best coaches, and likely will never get a shot at the "big boy" national title wouldn't bother me all that much (although I realize it would bother some).

Mostly, I'm just ready for this foolishness to be over...
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(07-27-2021 06:35 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-27-2021 12:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  ...
A potential future ACC:
Boston College, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia
Georgia Tech, Miami, N.C. State, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest
Baylor, Brigham Young, Houston, TCU, Texas Tech
Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State

The ACCN covers 2 divisions and the old LHN covers the other two.

SEC:
Kentucky, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Tennessee, Virginia
Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina
Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M
Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas
* Duke and Vanderbilt all but football.

So, essentially, VT would be playing Boston College, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia, Georgia Tech, Miami, N.C. State, and Wake Forest every year?

As a Virginia Tech fan, honestly, I could live with that.

I would watch way more of that ACC football than the new SEC, too, because those are most of the teams I enjoy watching - though I would miss Clemson and Florida State. The fact that the Hokies won't get paid as much, won't be able to afford the best coaches, and likely will never get a shot at the "big boy" national title wouldn't bother me all that much (although I realize it would bother some).

Mostly, I'm just ready for this foolishness to be over...

If VT is going to end up in the SEC or B1G, I want the foolishness to be over.
If VT is going to end up left behind, I want it to drag out till the GoR expires.
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RE: Bilas: The ACC should approach the SEC about a merger
(07-28-2021 12:30 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  If VT is going to end up in the SEC or B1G, I want the foolishness to be over.
If VT is going to end up left behind, I want it to drag out till the GoR expires.

I agree with your first statement but feel the same way about your second.
Let’s just rip that bandaid off and get it over with.

Personally I think y’all will be gone to The SEC the moment your friends at UVa get the call from The Big Ten. Your state legislature will look out for you. The Bluenecks here in Kentucky would burn UK down before they allowed UofL to join The SEC.

“Kentucky where we Thank God for Arkansas everyday.” 03-lmfao

I hate the idea of sitting around waiting for the ship to sink. If The SEC and Big Ten are going whack The ACC, let’s get it over with.

BTW how many other schools are there in North Carolina, besides future ACC member East Carolina? I figure when Clemson, Florida State, VaTech and NCState run off to The SEC. Then Pitt, UVa, GaTech and Duke fly off to The Big Ten, we’ll be look for some more North Carolina universities for UNC to Lord over. 04-cheers I know High Point is available.
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RE: Bilas: The ACC should approach the SEC about a merger
ESPN and FOX will pull all the Strings.

ESPN: SEC + ACC + 2 schools for 32 team super-Conference.
FOX: B1G + PAC + 6 schools for 32 team super-Conference.

10 game Schedule (7 vs Division + 1 vs each of other 3 divisions)

4 Divisions of 8 teams.
ESPN Divisions:
1 - Clemson, GT, NC, NC State, Duke, WF, Virginia, FSU
2 - Miami, Lousville, Pitt, BC, Syracuse, VT, WVU, ND
3 - Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, SC, Kentucy, Vandy
4 - Texas, OK, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Miss, Miss St, LSU, Missouri
FOX:
1 - USC, UCLA, Stanford, California, Wash, Wash St, Oregon, Oregon St
2 - AZ, AZ State, Colorado, Utah, OK St, Texas Tech, TCU, Kansas St
3 - Rutgers, Maryland, PSU, OSU, Mich, MSU, Purdue, Indiana
4 - Iowa, Nebraska, Minn, Wisc, Kansas, Iowa St, Illinois, NW
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