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Realignment
Appears next 24 to 48 hrs we will have confirmation that Oklahoma and Texas will leave Big 12 for Sec. Kansas is rumored to have reached out to Big 10. Also chatter Pac 12 has an agreement in place for a super conference of 32 teams with ACC
Cant worry about what you cant control but gravely concerned days of MAC in top tier of college football coming to a quick end
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07-23-2021 03:09 PM |
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RE: Realignment
If they go to super conferences past 16 members they'll probably go to 10 game conference schedules to eliminate the payday games.
We might see something similar at the G5 level with coast-2-coast conferences if it can net everyone involved 10 mil per school. My bet is some MAC schools would like to be involved if it came to that.
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07-23-2021 03:22 PM |
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RE: Realignment
I bet some MAC schools would definitely agree to this. I reckon the big 12 will implode now, going to get really wild.
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07-23-2021 04:19 PM |
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RE: Realignment
I don't think this will have much effect on us, but we will see.
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07-23-2021 04:50 PM |
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RE: Realignment
(07-23-2021 03:09 PM)cmufanatic Wrote: Appears next 24 to 48 hrs we will have confirmation that Oklahoma and Texas will leave Big 12 for Sec. Kansas is rumored to have reached out to Big 10. Also chatter Pac 12 has an agreement in place for a super conference of 32 teams with ACC
Cant worry about what you cant control but gravely concerned days of MAC in top tier of college football coming to a quick end
Why would anyone want to have two super conferences? Even in business I believe the 'rule of thumb' is that you need at least 3 firms to provide real competition. Two usually does not do it.
If everyone is in one or two conferences then there are no conferences, just a big jumbo of whateverness.
UCLA and Duke in the same conference? Sure. Fly their tennis teams across the country for matches.
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RE: Realignment
(07-23-2021 05:25 PM)emu steve Wrote: (07-23-2021 03:09 PM)cmufanatic Wrote: Appears next 24 to 48 hrs we will have confirmation that Oklahoma and Texas will leave Big 12 for Sec. Kansas is rumored to have reached out to Big 10. Also chatter Pac 12 has an agreement in place for a super conference of 32 teams with ACC
Cant worry about what you cant control but gravely concerned days of MAC in top tier of college football coming to a quick end
Why would anyone want to have two super conferences? Even in business I believe the 'rule of thumb' is that you need at least 3 firms to provide real competition. Two usually does not do it.
If everyone is in one or two conferences then there are no conferences, just a big jumbo of whateverness.
UCLA and Duke in the same conference? Sure. Fly their tennis teams across the country for matches.
I agree makes no sense to me. Not sure if this is football only?
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07-23-2021 05:52 PM |
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RE: Realignment
So a 30 team or so super conference and everyone else left out. I hate Michigan and besides their history, they are irrelevant in the national landscape but money talks so i get it
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07-23-2021 06:01 PM |
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RE: Realignment
(07-23-2021 05:55 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: SEC in serious talks now with Ohio State and Michigan.
https://csnbbs.com/thread-925622.html
That link is dead.
Also, I don't buy it. "Serious" is doing a lot of work there.
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07-23-2021 06:38 PM |
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RE: Realignment
Lol, nothing says "Southeast" like Michigan and Ohio State.
Unlike TX and Oklahoma, that's not going to happen.
But the idea of nation-stretching conferences with 16+ members is just unappealing on so many levels. The obvious disadvantage is travel. But mainly, conferences are more fun and fan-friendly when they reflect a sort of cohesive regional/cultural bond.
The MAC is Midwest, hard knocks, blue-collar. UCF never "fit" and UMass not so much either. Buffalo was a great add.
I mean I guess Texas and Oklahoma won't be much out of place with the rest of the Southeast. But whispers (rumors) of schools like Baylor and Oklahoma State to the PAC seems silly to me. I know they'd try to create local flavors with divisions, like the Pro sports, but it's still not the same.
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RE: Realignment
Side note... if Big XII dissolves and we're left with P4, will the powers-that-be change the future CFP "auto bid" proposal?
If the top 6 conference winners are automatically in the playoffs, that'd be guaranteed 2 G5 teams minimum per year.
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RE: Realignment
(07-23-2021 03:09 PM)cmufanatic Wrote: Appears next 24 to 48 hrs we will have confirmation that Oklahoma and Texas will leave Big 12 for Sec. Kansas is rumored to have reached out to Big 10. ...
We know that everyone in the Little Eight will have reached out to every power conference they can get on the phone, just like they did the last time the Big12 was raided ... the problem is that except for Texas and Oklahoma, these are already the leftovers, all of them already in the shop window several times before, and they were still in the Big12 because they had no takers.
If college basketball saw most of its value goes to conference media contracts, then Kansas would not be in the Big12 anymore, they would have been grabbed already ... but the lion's share of the value of college basketball is in the Tourney, and the NCAA keeps the majority of that for its expenses, and the balance is not in the conference media contracts.
The Big12 will reload, many if not all of their reloads will come from the American, who is on 11 so they can take one loss and stand pat, and who might turn to Conference USA if they are raided for more than one. Maybe the raids allow CUSA and SBC to untangle.
And this round won't hit the MAC.
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RE: Realignment
(07-23-2021 09:03 PM)BruceMcF Wrote: The Big12 will reload, many if not all of their reloads will come from the American, who is on 11 so they can take one loss and stand pat, and who might turn to Conference USA if they are raided for more than one. Maybe the raids allow CUSA and SBC to untangle.
Their other option could be to look westward: Boise State, BYU, Colorado State and Air Force would be a solid quartet (disclaimer: I have no idea what any of those institutions' intentions are). Although AAC members Memphis, Houston and Cincinnati also bring with it solid basketball resumes and large media markets.
If the AAC is forced to backfill with a couple, the MAC's poor attendance figures and small markets - perhaps Buffalo excepted - in a region bleeding population means this conference is likely not going to get considered.
(This post was last modified: 07-23-2021 09:34 PM by Motown Bronco.)
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RE: Realignment
I dont think MAC gets poached at all I just think the stars are lining up to finally seperate the top programs from the rest and this is the final nail in the coffin for most of the G5
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07-24-2021 06:05 AM |
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RE: Realignment
I think it would be great if the top 40 schools broke off to form their own semi pro minor league division. Then the schools that remain could get back to old fashion college football with student athletes. I think the G5 should start their own playoff now.
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RE: Realignment
(07-23-2021 09:31 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote: (07-23-2021 09:03 PM)BruceMcF Wrote: The Big12 will reload, many if not all of their reloads will come from the American, who is on 11 so they can take one loss and stand pat, and who might turn to Conference USA if they are raided for more than one. Maybe the raids allow CUSA and SBC to untangle.
Their other option could be to look westward: Boise State, BYU, Colorado State and Air Force would be a solid quartet (disclaimer: I have no idea what any of those institutions' intentions are). Although AAC members Memphis, Houston and Cincinnati also bring with it solid basketball resumes and large media markets.
If the AAC is forced to backfill with a couple, the MAC's poor attendance figures and small markets - perhaps Buffalo excepted - in a region bleeding population means this conference is likely not going to get considered.
I think Houston has the most inside track on this, as the non Texas schools will want games in Texas. It could be Houston and BYU and done, in which case the AAC may not actually raid Conference USA at all.
If they return to twelve, it could indeed be two from the AAC, one from the MWC and BYU, in which case the AAC might only raid one from CUSA.
Really, the most important part of the process is the advice they get from their media consultants & media partners, and we won't be privy to that advice, so there's a lot of guesswork in any scenario.
However, if there were six to eight schools that would make a really strong contribution to the Little Eight putting together a conference that will be an acknowledged Power Conference ... even if dropping down from the SEC/BigTen/Big12 tier into the ACC/PAC12 tier ... some of them would already have been snapped up.
So I think 2 or 4 adds is most likely, and 2 or 4 Big12 adds are not going to create such large Go5 aftershocks that it's going to touch the MAC.
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RE: Realignment
(07-23-2021 09:31 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote: (07-23-2021 09:03 PM)BruceMcF Wrote: The Big12 will reload, many if not all of their reloads will come from the American, who is on 11 so they can take one loss and stand pat, and who might turn to Conference USA if they are raided for more than one. Maybe the raids allow CUSA and SBC to untangle.
Their other option could be to look westward: Boise State, BYU, Colorado State and Air Force would be a solid quartet (disclaimer: I have no idea what any of those institutions' intentions are). Although AAC members Memphis, Houston and Cincinnati also bring with it solid basketball resumes and large media markets.
If the AAC is forced to backfill with a couple, the MAC's poor attendance figures and small markets - perhaps Buffalo excepted - in a region bleeding population means this conference is likely not going to get considered.
Population bleed is overrated when states like New York, Pennsylvania and Ohio have a lot more pop than Kentucky, Tennessee and Alabama.
The AAC has a problem where its remaining schools post raid are too spread out. They may want to go to a pod system to remediate.
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07-24-2021 11:56 AM |
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RE: Realignment
(07-23-2021 06:45 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: (07-23-2021 06:38 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote: (07-23-2021 05:55 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: SEC in serious talks now with Ohio State and Michigan.
https://csnbbs.com/thread-925622.html
That link is dead.
Also, I don't buy it. "Serious" is doing a lot of work there.
https://www.secrant.com/rant/sec-footbal.../97388984/
This social media specialist at Barstool isn't exactly Brett McMurphy.
As I said, he's leaning awfully hard on the word "serious."
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