(07-23-2021 02:48 PM)49ShadesOfGreen Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 02:22 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  Interesting. Here are the rankings of our C-USA programs....

71. UAB
82. North Texas
84. FIU
87. Rice
88. Marshall
90. MTSU
92. UTEP
96. WKU
101. Southern Miss
104. FAU
111. LA Tech

I guess the new programs don;t have much value yet. None of them were ranked (UTSA, Charlotte, & ODU).

Rice seems overrated at the level.

I actually thought Rice would rank much higher, since they spent 80 years in the SWC. I guess they lost all of that equity.

(07-23-2021 03:08 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 03:06 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 02:36 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 02:22 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  Interesting. Here are the rankings of our C-USA programs....

71. UAB
82. North Texas
84. FIU
87. Rice
88. Marshall
90. MTSU
92. UTEP
96. WKU
101. Southern Miss
104. FAU
111. LA Tech

I guess the new programs don;t have much value yet. None of them were ranked (UTSA, Charlotte, & ODU).

Be honest with your assessment. Is Louisiana Tech the least valuable member of CUSA?

Monetarily, Yes. And, it is reflected in LT's athletic budget and licensing revenue too.

Once again you fail to grasp what is value. But hey I will continue to enjoy beating the brakes off of a school that payed way too much for their coach.

For what it's worth, LT has great value for C-USA on the football field. But, nothing lasts forever.

I don't think UNT pays too much. We just paid it to the wrong coach. Littrell's days are numbered. UNT will almost certainly start the season 1-6. He can't come back from that, and shouldn't even be given the chance. This is his 6th season. If he can't live up to expectations, than he must be replaced. If I were the AD, I would have fired him after last season.

(07-23-2021 03:08 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 02:48 PM)49ShadesOfGreen Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 02:22 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  Interesting. Here are the rankings of our C-USA programs....

71. UAB
82. North Texas
84. FIU
87. Rice
88. Marshall
90. MTSU
92. UTEP
96. WKU
101. Southern Miss
104. FAU
111. LA Tech

I guess the new programs don;t have much value yet. None of them were ranked (UTSA, Charlotte, & ODU).

Rice seems overrated at the level.

I actually thought Rice would rank much higher, since they spent 80 years in the SWC. I guess they lost all of that equity.

Like someone else told you...

you seem to fail to grasp what is value in this article. Has nothing to do with history but made up budget reports

(07-23-2021 03:16 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 03:08 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 03:06 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 02:36 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 02:22 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  Interesting. Here are the rankings of our C-USA programs....

71. UAB
82. North Texas
84. FIU
87. Rice
88. Marshall
90. MTSU
92. UTEP
96. WKU
101. Southern Miss
104. FAU
111. LA Tech

I guess the new programs don;t have much value yet. None of them were ranked (UTSA, Charlotte, & ODU).

Be honest with your assessment. Is Louisiana Tech the least valuable member of CUSA?

Monetarily, Yes. And, it is reflected in LT's athletic budget and licensing revenue too.

Once again you fail to grasp what is value. But hey I will continue to enjoy beating the brakes off of a school that payed way too much for their coach.

For what it's worth, LT has great value for C-USA on the football field. But, nothing lasts forever.

I don't think UNT pays too much. We just paid it to the wrong coach. Littrell's days are numbered. UNT will almost certainly start the season 1-6. He can't come back from that, and shouldn't even be given the chance. This is his 6th season. If he can't live up to expectations, than he must be replaced. If I were the AD, I would have fired him after last season.

UNT paid too much or he would have already been GONE. When a school cant afford to buy out a contract. They paid too much and it really is that simple

(07-23-2021 03:16 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 03:08 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 03:06 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 02:36 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  [quote='Side.Show.Joe' pid='17512521' dateline='1627068152']
Interesting. Here are the rankings of our C-USA programs....

71. UAB
82. North Texas
84. FIU
87. Rice
88. Marshall
90. MTSU
92. UTEP
96. WKU
101. Southern Miss
104. FAU
111. LA Tech

I guess the new programs don;t have much value yet. None of them were ranked (UTSA, Charlotte, & ODU).

Be honest with your assessment. Is Louisiana Tech the least valuable member of CUSA?

Monetarily, Yes. And, it is reflected in LT's athletic budget and licensing revenue too.

Once again you fail to grasp what is value. But hey I will continue to enjoy beating the brakes off of a school that payed way too much for their coach.

Not just football. We are competitive in Baseball and Basketball as well. That's why it is important to ascertain what is value? I don't know of a program in FBS that spends less per win across all sports than Tech. Is that not valuable?

(07-23-2021 03:06 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 02:36 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 02:22 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  Interesting. Here are the rankings of our C-USA programs....

71. UAB
82. North Texas
84. FIU
87. Rice
88. Marshall
90. MTSU
92. UTEP
96. WKU
101. Southern Miss
104. FAU
111. LA Tech

I guess the new programs don;t have much value yet. None of them were ranked (UTSA, Charlotte, & ODU).

Be honest with your assessment. Is Louisiana Tech the least valuable member of CUSA?

Monetarily, Yes. And, it is reflected in LT's athletic budget and licensing revenue too.

#CommuterSchool

Athletics financed through students fees and low alumni donation revenue

That is totally opposite of the valuable athletic programs in FBS

In fact that is the model employed by commuters schools try to compete in FBS, programs financed by student fees

Ive been to empty UNT games in Denton (in metro area of 7+ million)

Do you really think UNT has more value than Tech? If you can’t even get 10k to show up from student pop of 35k and 7 million metro area

(07-23-2021 03:25 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 03:06 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 02:36 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 02:22 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  Interesting. Here are the rankings of our C-USA programs....

71. UAB
82. North Texas
84. FIU
87. Rice
88. Marshall
90. MTSU
92. UTEP
96. WKU
101. Southern Miss
104. FAU
111. LA Tech

I guess the new programs don;t have much value yet. None of them were ranked (UTSA, Charlotte, & ODU).

Be honest with your assessment. Is Louisiana Tech the least valuable member of CUSA?

Monetarily, Yes. And, it is reflected in LT's athletic budget and licensing revenue too.

#CommuterSchool

Athletics financed through students fees and low alumni donation revenue

That is totally opposite of the valuable athletic programs in FBS

In fact that is the model employed by commuters schools try to compete in FBS, programs financed by student fees

Ive been to empty UNT games in Denton (in metro area of 7+ million)

Do you really think UNT has more value than Tech? If you can’t even get 10k to show up from student pop of 35k and 7 million metro area

We don't even have student fees. Imagine if we did?

(07-23-2021 03:22 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 03:16 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 03:08 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 03:06 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 02:36 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  Be honest with your assessment. Is Louisiana Tech the least valuable member of CUSA?

Monetarily, Yes. And, it is reflected in LT's athletic budget and licensing revenue too.

Once again you fail to grasp what is value. But hey I will continue to enjoy beating the brakes off of a school that payed way too much for their coach.

For what it's worth, LT has great value for C-USA on the football field. But, nothing lasts forever.

I don't think UNT pays too much. We just paid it to the wrong coach. Littrell's days are numbered. UNT will almost certainly start the season 1-6. He can't come back from that, and shouldn't even be given the chance. This is his 6th season. If he can't live up to expectations, than he must be replaced. If I were the AD, I would have fired him after last season.

UNT paid too much or he would have already been GONE. When a school cant afford to buy out a contract. They paid too much and it really is that simple

It isn't that simple. Littrell's family are personal friends with one of our biggest donors, and have been since before he was hired at UNT.

(07-23-2021 03:23 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 03:16 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 03:08 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 03:06 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 02:36 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  [quote='Side.Show.Joe' pid='17512521' dateline='1627068152']
Interesting. Here are the rankings of our C-USA programs....

71. UAB
82. North Texas
84. FIU
87. Rice
88. Marshall
90. MTSU
92. UTEP
96. WKU
101. Southern Miss
104. FAU
111. LA Tech

I guess the new programs don;t have much value yet. None of them were ranked (UTSA, Charlotte, & ODU).

Be honest with your assessment. Is Louisiana Tech the least valuable member of CUSA?

Monetarily, Yes. And, it is reflected in LT's athletic budget and licensing revenue too.

Once again you fail to grasp what is value. But hey I will continue to enjoy beating the brakes off of a school that payed way too much for their coach.

Not just football. We are competitive in Baseball and Basketball as well. That's why it is important to ascertain what is value? I don't know of a program in FBS that spends less per win across all sports than Tech. Is that not valuable?

Everything you wrote is absolutely true. And, like I posted, LT holds great value for C-USA.

(07-23-2021 03:25 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 03:06 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 02:36 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 02:22 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  Interesting. Here are the rankings of our C-USA programs....

71. UAB
82. North Texas
84. FIU
87. Rice
88. Marshall
90. MTSU
92. UTEP
96. WKU
101. Southern Miss
104. FAU
111. LA Tech

I guess the new programs don;t have much value yet. None of them were ranked (UTSA, Charlotte, & ODU).

Be honest with your assessment. Is Louisiana Tech the least valuable member of CUSA?

Monetarily, Yes. And, it is reflected in LT's athletic budget and licensing revenue too.

#CommuterSchool

Athletics financed through students fees and low alumni donation revenue

That is totally opposite of the valuable athletic programs in FBS

In fact that is the model employed by commuters schools try to compete in FBS, programs financed by student fees

Ive been to empty UNT games in Denton (in metro area of 7+ million)

Do you really think UNT has more value than Tech? If you can’t even get 10k to show up from student pop of 35k and 7 million metro area

Sure we've had some low attendance for some games. Evert C-USA programs has some poorly attended games. But, on average our attendance is very respectable compared to other C-USA programs. I don't recall comparing the value of UNT and LA Tech. Are you trying to pick an argument?

(07-23-2021 01:53 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  These numbers seem stale...and I do not believe they factored in the airport variable appropriately.

LOL

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(07-23-2021 04:05 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 03:25 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 03:06 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 02:36 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 02:22 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  Interesting. Here are the rankings of our C-USA programs....

71. UAB
82. North Texas
84. FIU
87. Rice
88. Marshall
90. MTSU
92. UTEP
96. WKU
101. Southern Miss
104. FAU
111. LA Tech

I guess the new programs don;t have much value yet. None of them were ranked (UTSA, Charlotte, & ODU).

Be honest with your assessment. Is Louisiana Tech the least valuable member of CUSA?

Monetarily, Yes. And, it is reflected in LT's athletic budget and licensing revenue too.

#CommuterSchool

Athletics financed through students fees and low alumni donation revenue

That is totally opposite of the valuable athletic programs in FBS

In fact that is the model employed by commuters schools try to compete in FBS, programs financed by student fees

Ive been to empty UNT games in Denton (in metro area of 7+ million)

Do you really think UNT has more value than Tech? If you can’t even get 10k to show up from student pop of 35k and 7 million metro area

Sure we've had some low attendance for some games. Evert C-USA programs has some poorly attended games. But, on average our attendance is very respectable compared to other C-USA programs. I don't recall comparing the value of UNT and LA Tech. Are you trying to pick an argument?

The whole point of my original question was from a value perspective do you see Tech as the least valuable. You regurgitated the financials that many have disputed. My point is that value to CUSA or any conference can't be fully measured by a ledger. What value is a competitive conference mate to the SOS of another team? What value is a consistent bowl team that has good ratings. I personally think Tech has done the most Louisiana thing ever by not growing its endowment or implementing student fees like many other schools, but I don't think it makes us the least valuable program in CUSA.

clt says the smoke has arrived,

(07-23-2021 05:23 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says the smoke has arrived,

stink asks, was it kb or mere nicotine?!

stink has both, too w/o an airport…

The fact FIU and Ohio are ranked above Marshall tells you all you need to know.

(07-24-2021 07:14 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  The fact FIU and Ohio are ranked above Marshall tells you all you need to know.

Why should (in your opinion) Marshall rank above FIU?

(07-24-2021 07:18 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 07:14 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  The fact FIU and Ohio are ranked above Marshall tells you all you need to know.

Why should (in your opinion) Marshall rank above FIU?

Lmao.. this can’t be a real question... I dunno. When we play at FIU there are just as many Marshall fans as FIU fans, maybe more. That’s a good start.

(07-24-2021 07:20 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 07:18 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 07:14 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  The fact FIU and Ohio are ranked above Marshall tells you all you need to know.

Why should (in your opinion) Marshall rank above FIU?

Lmao.. this can’t be a real question... I dunno. When we play at FIU there are just as many Marshall fans as FIU fans, maybe more. That’s a good start.

I think you should look at how the ranking is organized. It is entirely a monetary ranking. You could literally be in the midst of 500-game winning streak but not have the monetary position to be up the ranking.

(07-24-2021 07:20 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 07:18 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 07:14 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  The fact FIU and Ohio are ranked above Marshall tells you all you need to know.

Why should (in your opinion) Marshall rank above FIU?

Lmao.. this can’t be a real question... I dunno. When we play at FIU there are just as many Marshall fans as FIU fans, maybe more. That’s a good start.

I'm not making any comment on your question but will explain this in just a dollar and cent way.

Having 50k in students is a huge value when those student are basically buying season tickets with their student feeds. Other words it doesnt matter if 1 or 50k show up. Their student fees cover their ticket.

That's why student fees are the most reliable form of revenue in the G5. Its a constant that does not change with winning and losing. The only change is when enrollment numbers are lower. But even then there's a better chance that they will see growth in those numbers than most of us will see in attendance dollars.

I wish Western had 50k to basically charge season tickets to if the students wanted them or not. That is where your value is. That total is as high or higher than most or all CUSA takes in on ticket and donations...

a jump from $200 to just $250 a year will bring in 2.5 million more a year. More than most schools make on attendance. FIU is projected to be around 75 to 100,00 students in the near future

(07-24-2021 07:30 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 07:20 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 07:18 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 07:14 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  The fact FIU and Ohio are ranked above Marshall tells you all you need to know.

Why should (in your opinion) Marshall rank above FIU?

Lmao.. this can’t be a real question... I dunno. When we play at FIU there are just as many Marshall fans as FIU fans, maybe more. That’s a good start.

I think you should look at how the ranking is organized. It is entirely a monetary ranking. You could literally be in the midst of 500-game winning streak but not have the monetary position to be up the ranking.

Therefore making this ranking completely worthless. It really tells us nothing about any program. And 2017-2018 was about when UAB started their big push for a privately funded football stadium. Don't suppose that has anything to do with them having a higher ranking in the same year? They received a lot of donations that they might not normally have access to. If nothing else people were trying to prove their BoG and Administration were wrong and donating more. Again, something that isn't necessarily something they can count on perpetually. Raw numbers don't tell a story that we already know because we deal with each other daily. It takes nothing from UAB. Kudos to them. But I question the validity of any conclusions drawn from this data.