(07-27-2021 12:48 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 10:39 AM)nole Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 09:45 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 08:42 AM)orangefan Wrote:  There are only two things that can add value to the current TV contract - adding brand(s) or expanding into new geographic territory.

The SEC is looking at adding brands with Texas and OU. A&M already puts the SEC in Texas and allows it to charge in market subscription rates there.

When the B1G added Maryland and Rutgers, it was all about getting in market rates for the BTN in the NYC and DC TV markets. It also added inventory, but it was not high value inventory.

The obvious TV market for the ACC to target would be Texas. It may not make geographic sense, but Texas does have a population of 30 million. Unfortunately, only Texas and TAMU have sufficient local fan bases as stand alone members to achieve this goal. It would likely take 2-3 other Texas schools to achieve sufficient presence to allow the ACCN to charge in market subscription rates there, presumably TTU, TCU and Baylor as a package. Indeed, I fully expect the P12 to pursue this strategy and this group of schools as its response to the SEC's move, likely with Oklahoma St. as a fourth member of the group.

The "Brand" play is obvious - Notre Dame. It is the only school on the board with any ability to move the needle.

I’ll say this again: Miami and FSU need to be top 10 programs on a yearly basis. NIL will help. Miami is a dormant juggernaut brand. Their merch is everywhere when they’re good.

An adjusted schedule would deserve a look-in as well, which I cannot believe ESPN hasn’t pushed for. Just shuffle the divisions around a bit. I don’t hate the “strong” “weak” division setup really, as long as we have more compelling games week-in and week-out. That said, getting rid of divisions helps no conference more than the ACC.

If the ACC wants better football production (from anyone)....it should PAY for it.

Right now there is no incentive. That is a problem.

Unfortunately, that’s not the way most things in life work.

Actually, that's EXACTLY how most things work in life work.

(07-27-2021 12:55 PM)nole Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 12:48 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 10:39 AM)nole Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 09:45 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 08:42 AM)orangefan Wrote:  There are only two things that can add value to the current TV contract - adding brand(s) or expanding into new geographic territory.

The SEC is looking at adding brands with Texas and OU. A&M already puts the SEC in Texas and allows it to charge in market subscription rates there.

When the B1G added Maryland and Rutgers, it was all about getting in market rates for the BTN in the NYC and DC TV markets. It also added inventory, but it was not high value inventory.

The obvious TV market for the ACC to target would be Texas. It may not make geographic sense, but Texas does have a population of 30 million. Unfortunately, only Texas and TAMU have sufficient local fan bases as stand alone members to achieve this goal. It would likely take 2-3 other Texas schools to achieve sufficient presence to allow the ACCN to charge in market subscription rates there, presumably TTU, TCU and Baylor as a package. Indeed, I fully expect the P12 to pursue this strategy and this group of schools as its response to the SEC's move, likely with Oklahoma St. as a fourth member of the group.

The "Brand" play is obvious - Notre Dame. It is the only school on the board with any ability to move the needle.

I’ll say this again: Miami and FSU need to be top 10 programs on a yearly basis. NIL will help. Miami is a dormant juggernaut brand. Their merch is everywhere when they’re good.

An adjusted schedule would deserve a look-in as well, which I cannot believe ESPN hasn’t pushed for. Just shuffle the divisions around a bit. I don’t hate the “strong” “weak” division setup really, as long as we have more compelling games week-in and week-out. That said, getting rid of divisions helps no conference more than the ACC.

If the ACC wants better football production (from anyone)....it should PAY for it.

Right now there is no incentive. That is a problem.

Unfortunately, that’s not the way most things in life work.

Actually, that's EXACTLY how most things work in life work.

I’m pretty sure even something as basic as a job interview means one has to prove themselves more worthy than others.

Besides expansion, the ACC needs to replace the B12 in the Peach Bowl & needs to start looking for a replacement for rivalry week. When the SEC goes to 9 or 10 games, these rivalry games will be sacrificed. Clemson v SEC gone. Florida v FSU gone. Georgia v GT gone. UK v UL gone. How does the ACC replace these games?


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(07-27-2021 05:09 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Besides expansion, the ACC needs to replace the B12 in the Peach Bowl & needs to start looking for a replacement for rivalry week. When the SEC goes to 9 or 10 games, these rivalry games will be sacrificed. Clemson v SEC gone. Florida v FSU gone. Georgia v GT gone. UK v UL gone. How does the ACC replace these games?


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they might go to 9 games, but no way they can go to 10 that is a slow death for a large % of their members

with 16 team playing 12 games you have 10 conference games then you are going to be 80-80 in those games as a conference

then you have 32 OOC games and if you win them all you are 32-0

for a total best POSSIBLE 112-80 for a best POSSIBLE 58.3% winning record as a conference

8 conference games you can have a best possible conference record of 128-64 or a 66.7% winning record as a conference

when you have a 58.3% best possible conference record and you are looking to have several with from 0 to 2 losses max that means you have a lot of members with losing records and eventually you get ones that have sustained losing records and that starts to drag you down as a conference and then those members start to lose more of their OOC games and that drags you down more

plus you cannot have the late season D1-AA games for an auto win while other conferences beat up on each other and drop in the rankings while your members stay the same rank or even move up slightly as other conference members lose above them

(07-25-2021 12:00 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 07:46 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 03:39 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 03:27 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 03:16 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  Hi, I'm earth. Have we met?

Oh how cute.

Care to engage in any real debate?

If you actually believe that adding Cincinnati will weaken OSU....well bless your heart.

What planet were you on in 2009?

There was one Ohio team that was ranked third in the final BCS standings and was one second added on to the B12 championship game so that Texas could win from being in the BCS championship.

I'll give you a hint, it wasn't Ohio State.

Right now in the lowly AAC we were one botched play on a 3rd and 2 from beating freaking Georgia in the Peach Bowl, so yeah, given a better opportunity we would start cutting into O$U's peace of the pie immediately.

Don't let any of these facts deter your thinking, though.

i would not discount Cincinnati without doing more research on the basketball / internet streaming angle. Currently, college football drives the bus in terms of revenue. That is because cable networks were limited to the United States but with the advent of IP networks and internet streaming (Netflix, Apple, Amazon, Disney, Peacock (NBC), Paramount+ (CBS) the world is your possible audience. Basketball is number 2 in the world in popularity so the question would be whether there is an audience around the world that would be willing to watch the best college basketball league in the US. I think it will work but there would be a short term hit to ACC revenues if Kansas and one other school got invited but long term the ACC has a possibility of exceeding even the SEC and B1G because they would have limited world wide audience for their brand of basketball and there is no market for college football outside of the US (other than perhaps Canada). It would be a risk for the ACC management team and it is one of those decisions that could get them fired. I think it is worth the risk and sometimes you have to think big and take risks. For example Elon Musk with Tesla, he saw that electric cars were a solution to the global warming crisis and he acted while other more established companies like GM, Ford, Chrysler, Toyota, BMW, Mercedes, Honda, sat back and he gained first mover advantage, so a decent market share and huge valuations in the company. He is also the 2nd richest person in the world. Same thing with Amazon, creating an online shopping company and cloud company that are the world market leaders. By the way Jeff Bezos the founder of Amazon is the richest person in the world. Perhaps I am more attentive of stuff like this because, I follow all the stuff on Wall Street and the financial markets. The conclusion is that great companies take calculated risks and look to the future to plan their next moves. Harvard Business does case studies on companies that were successful and not successful and these case studies are used throughout universities around the world. Hopefully the ACC management are not people living in the past and are looking out for the ACC and not just check cashers.

Welcome to the world of unchecked capitalism where the rich get richer and eventually there will only be one corporation. Amazon. And there will be only one football conference...Amazon Athletic Conference.

(07-27-2021 06:44 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 05:09 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Besides expansion, the ACC needs to replace the B12 in the Peach Bowl & needs to start looking for a replacement for rivalry week. When the SEC goes to 9 or 10 games, these rivalry games will be sacrificed. Clemson v SEC gone. Florida v FSU gone. Georgia v GT gone. UK v UL gone. How does the ACC replace these games?


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they might go to 9 games, but no way they can go to 10 that is a slow death for a large % of their members

with 16 team playing 12 games you have 10 conference games then you are going to be 80-80 in those games as a conference

then you have 32 OOC games and if you win them all you are 32-0

for a total best POSSIBLE 112-80 for a best POSSIBLE 58.3% winning record as a conference

8 conference games you can have a best possible conference record of 128-64 or a 66.7% winning record as a conference

when you have a 58.3% best possible conference record and you are looking to have several with from 0 to 2 losses max that means you have a lot of members with losing records and eventually you get ones that have sustained losing records and that starts to drag you down as a conference and then those members start to lose more of their OOC games and that drags you down more

plus you cannot have the late season D1-AA games for an auto win while other conferences beat up on each other and drop in the rankings while your members stay the same rank or even move up slightly as other conference members lose above them

As long as the brands win conference games does it matter? The Vandy’s & Kentucky’s can go winless & it wouldn’t affect the brands, they’ll get paid well for the L’s. They can put the easy W non conference games in the first half of the season. Isn’t the B1G playing 9 already? It’s about content games to feed the SECN & ESPN. Will the SEC even need to play any real games out of conference?


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(07-27-2021 07:55 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 06:44 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 05:09 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Besides expansion, the ACC needs to replace the B12 in the Peach Bowl & needs to start looking for a replacement for rivalry week. When the SEC goes to 9 or 10 games, these rivalry games will be sacrificed. Clemson v SEC gone. Florida v FSU gone. Georgia v GT gone. UK v UL gone. How does the ACC replace these games?


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they might go to 9 games, but no way they can go to 10 that is a slow death for a large % of their members

with 16 team playing 12 games you have 10 conference games then you are going to be 80-80 in those games as a conference

then you have 32 OOC games and if you win them all you are 32-0

for a total best POSSIBLE 112-80 for a best POSSIBLE 58.3% winning record as a conference

8 conference games you can have a best possible conference record of 128-64 or a 66.7% winning record as a conference

when you have a 58.3% best possible conference record and you are looking to have several with from 0 to 2 losses max that means you have a lot of members with losing records and eventually you get ones that have sustained losing records and that starts to drag you down as a conference and then those members start to lose more of their OOC games and that drags you down more

plus you cannot have the late season D1-AA games for an auto win while other conferences beat up on each other and drop in the rankings while your members stay the same rank or even move up slightly as other conference members lose above them

As long as the brands win conference games does it matter? The Vandy’s & Kentucky’s can go winless & it wouldn’t affect the brands, they’ll get paid well for the L’s. They can put the easy W non conference games in the first half of the season. Isn’t the B1G playing 9 already? It’s about content games to feed the SECN & ESPN. Will the SEC even need to play any real games out of conference?


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The Big 10 questioned their decision to go to 9 conference games after the first season doing it

https://saturdaytradition.com/big-ten-fo...f-chances/

(07-27-2021 07:55 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  As long as the brands win conference games does it matter? The Vandy’s & Kentucky’s can go winless & it wouldn’t affect the brands, they’ll get paid well for the L’s. They can put the easy W non conference games in the first half of the season. Isn’t the B1G playing 9 already? It’s about content games to feed the SECN & ESPN. Will the SEC even need to play any real games out of conference?


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No, they won't need to, and if they go to 9 conference games they definitely won't. Their only requirement is that they play at least 1 FBS game OOC. It doesn't even have to be a P5.

(07-27-2021 05:09 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Besides expansion, the ACC needs to replace the B12 in the Peach Bowl & needs to start looking for a replacement for rivalry week. When the SEC goes to 9 or 10 games, these rivalry games will be sacrificed. Clemson v SEC gone. Florida v FSU gone. Georgia v GT gone. UK v UL gone. How does the ACC replace these games?

Any evidence to support those games are going away?

The ACC needs these games to happen either yearly or much more often:

Carolina-FSU
Carolina-Clemson
VaTech-FSU
VaTech-Clemson
VaTech-NC State
VaTech-Louisville
GaTech-FSU
Miami-BC (Flutie Orange Bowl highlights/ESPN pimping)
Miami-Clemson
Miami-Louisville

There is a lot of great TV left on the table. Why is ESPN not advising the conference to configure its schedule to make this happen?

The ACC has the potential to increase its quality of product without doing much; that should be the very first step.

(07-22-2021 02:46 PM)7thHeaven Wrote:  TV money and more football. I think if there are no schools that drastically change our payout we either stay put or go Big, unless ND decides to go all in but I don’t see that happening. The only way I see the ACC adding leftover Big 12 schools is if we take 4 or more unless ESPN wants to pay us big for WV and Kansas. The Texas market is booming and the ACC network would love to add the Texas Market.

I think what ACC needs is to expand by improving academics first.

First step is to merge schools:
Pittsburgh merges with Carnegie Mellon U to become Carnegie Mellon University of Pittsburgh (CMUP).
Syracuse University merges with New York University to become Syracuse New York University. (Syracuse lost her medical school to SUNY then its reputation rank tanked. Need to gain a medical school and a business school in NYC campus.)
Duke University merges with Wake Forest University to become Duke Wake Forest University.

With ACC having much better academics, we can invite Notre Dame, University of Michigan and Ohio State. This will be 16 member ACC. If we want to expand to 18, then add Northwestern and Maryland.

North division:

Northwestern University
Notre Dame
Michigan
Ohio State
Louisville
Boston College
Syracuse New York University
Carnegie Mellon University of Pittsburgh
Virginia Tech

South Division:

Maryland
Virginia
UNC
NC State
Duke Wake Forest University
Georgia Tech
Clemson
Florida State
Miami

(07-28-2021 12:53 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 07:55 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  As long as the brands win conference games does it matter? The Vandy’s & Kentucky’s can go winless & it wouldn’t affect the brands, they’ll get paid well for the L’s. They can put the easy W non conference games in the first half of the season. Isn’t the B1G playing 9 already? It’s about content games to feed the SECN & ESPN. Will the SEC even need to play any real games out of conference?


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No, they won't need to, and if they go to 9 conference games they definitely won't. Their only requirement is that they play at least 1 FBS game OOC. It doesn't even have to be a P5.

Even the Big Ten plays 9 conference games and 1 P5 ooc. Now, if you're saying the SEC may not want to play those in-state rivalries every year, maybe... but I wouldn't count on that either.

(07-27-2021 05:09 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Besides expansion, the ACC needs to replace the B12 in the Peach Bowl & needs to start looking for a replacement for rivalry week. When the SEC goes to 9 or 10 games, these rivalry games will be sacrificed. Clemson v SEC gone. Florida v FSU gone. Georgia v GT gone. UK v UL gone. How does the ACC replace these games?


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IIRC the Clemson v. South Carolina game is mandated by the South Carolina Legislature.

(07-28-2021 10:44 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 12:53 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 07:55 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  As long as the brands win conference games does it matter? The Vandy’s & Kentucky’s can go winless & it wouldn’t affect the brands, they’ll get paid well for the L’s. They can put the easy W non conference games in the first half of the season. Isn’t the B1G playing 9 already? It’s about content games to feed the SECN & ESPN. Will the SEC even need to play any real games out of conference?


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No, they won't need to, and if they go to 9 conference games they definitely won't. Their only requirement is that they play at least 1 FBS game OOC. It doesn't even have to be a P5.

Even the Big Ten plays 9 conference games and 1 P5 ooc. Now, if you're saying the SEC may not want to play those in-state rivalries every year, maybe... but I wouldn't count on that either.

I'm assuming a few things are inevitable with the expanded SEC:

*UF will drop FSU from their schedule.

*SEC will expand scholarships from 85 to say 110.

*SEC will eventually separate from the NCC.

*SEC will make sure the playoff will allow for say 50% plus to be from the SEC in a 12 team playoff

*courts become involved because of an unfair playing field between state (government) institutions.

Why do people keep forgetting the Mountain West knocking down the BCS door? Ultimately, these are government institutions we’re talking about here. You may not be able to keep one school from joining another conference, but you start treading in lawsuit territory when some states are left out.

(07-28-2021 06:32 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 05:09 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Besides expansion, the ACC needs to replace the B12 in the Peach Bowl & needs to start looking for a replacement for rivalry week. When the SEC goes to 9 or 10 games, these rivalry games will be sacrificed. Clemson v SEC gone. Florida v FSU gone. Georgia v GT gone. UK v UL gone. How does the ACC replace these games?

Any evidence to support those games are going away?

The ACC needs these games to happen either yearly or much more often:

Carolina-FSU
Carolina-Clemson
VaTech-FSU
VaTech-Clemson
VaTech-NC State
VaTech-Louisville
GaTech-FSU
Miami-BC (Flutie Orange Bowl highlights/ESPN pimping)
Miami-Clemson
Miami-Louisville

There is a lot of great TV left on the table. Why is ESPN not advising the conference to configure its schedule to make this happen?

The ACC has the potential to increase its quality of product without doing much; that should be the very first step.

I fully agree ESPN leaves too much on the table. These are must have match ups made for TV

(07-28-2021 01:20 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 06:32 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 05:09 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Besides expansion, the ACC needs to replace the B12 in the Peach Bowl & needs to start looking for a replacement for rivalry week. When the SEC goes to 9 or 10 games, these rivalry games will be sacrificed. Clemson v SEC gone. Florida v FSU gone. Georgia v GT gone. UK v UL gone. How does the ACC replace these games?

Any evidence to support those games are going away?

The ACC needs these games to happen either yearly or much more often:

Carolina-FSU
Carolina-Clemson
VaTech-FSU
VaTech-Clemson
VaTech-NC State
VaTech-Louisville
GaTech-FSU
Miami-BC (Flutie Orange Bowl highlights/ESPN pimping)
Miami-Clemson
Miami-Louisville

There is a lot of great TV left on the table. Why is ESPN not advising the conference to configure its schedule to make this happen?

The ACC has the potential to increase its quality of product without doing much; that should be the very first step.

I fully agree ESPN leaves too much on the table. These are must have match ups made for TV

Now this IS the kind of thing Jim Phillips can negotiate during the "Look-ins".

(07-28-2021 11:54 AM)esayem Wrote:  *courts become involved because of an unfair playing field between state (government) institutions.

Why do people keep forgetting the Mountain West knocking down the BCS door? Ultimately, these are government institutions we’re talking about here. You may not be able to keep one school from joining another conference, but you start treading in lawsuit territory when some states are left out.

I don't think ESPN/SEC is worried one bit.

(07-28-2021 02:28 PM)nole Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 11:54 AM)esayem Wrote:  *courts become involved because of an unfair playing field between state (government) institutions.

Why do people keep forgetting the Mountain West knocking down the BCS door? Ultimately, these are government institutions we’re talking about here. You may not be able to keep one school from joining another conference, but you start treading in lawsuit territory when some states are left out.

I don't think ESPN/SEC is worried one bit.

Ever heard of the Bell System?

(07-28-2021 04:45 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 02:28 PM)nole Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 11:54 AM)esayem Wrote:  *courts become involved because of an unfair playing field between state (government) institutions.

Why do people keep forgetting the Mountain West knocking down the BCS door? Ultimately, these are government institutions we’re talking about here. You may not be able to keep one school from joining another conference, but you start treading in lawsuit territory when some states are left out.

I don't think ESPN/SEC is worried one bit.

Ever heard of the Bell System?

Ever heard of the free market? The courts just ruled on NIL, already granted stipends, are likely to lift caps on stipends and all in the name of the free market. I suspect Texas and Oklahoma will be seen as independent agents who now forced to pay for the same have every right to earn more. I think GOR's may get ruled on and struck down in the process as they were intended for professional entertainers, not state owned tax payer funded institutions. Their application in this realm was unprecedented prior to the BTN and only about 20 years old and unchallenged.

So we'll see.