(07-22-2021 11:34 AM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  If OU and Texas leave for SEC, this will set off a chain reaction. WVU will join the ACC. Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, and Ok St would join the Pac-12. Then, Kansas and Iowa St join the Big 10, making the 4 Super conferences of 16 that were predicted so many years ago. Kansas St gets left high and dry. There may be some reshuffling amongst the other conferences, or maybe not. The Big 12 will be done. There will be no move-ups.

Love you saying all of this so matter of fact haha

(07-23-2021 08:59 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 07:51 AM)Tealblood Wrote:  lots of scenarios in this thread may play but

Ain't no damn way West by God Virginia goes to the ACC

no way the wine and cheese crowd accepts that

Oof if that happens WVU either goes independent or joins the AAC.

If I’m Mike Aresco I’m placing phone calls to Morgantown and Stillwater trying to get one of them to climb aboard. Might not work but it’s worth a shot.


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The Big 12 is going to get a full blown payday when OU and UT leave. Exit fees and GOR payout if they leave early. Looks like at a minimum each school will owe the B12 $76 million. That'll split to $19 million per left over member. No chance any school dips out on that guaranteed paycheck and the NCAA credits the B12 have accumulated. Plus the current bowl game contract runs for another few years giving them access to a NY6 bowl.


B12 will take BYU and Cincinnati. Probably UCF and Houston too. If they need 6 then say hello to Colorado State and Memphs. Those adds protect basketball and expands the conference into areas that have a lot of people to keep the media contract from completely collapsing. $15 mill a year in the new B14 is better than $7 in the AAC.

According to ESPN this is close to being a done deal.

I would think a school like Penn St having a better chance of ACC than WVU

If there is any hope of saving the Big 12, there will very soon be rumors of invites from them to other schools. The Big 12 will probably be a happier place without Texas anyway. I’ve always said the reason the Big 12 has been blown up over the last 10 years, and nearly every other conference is because of Texas and their ego.

Be interesting to see how the SEC handles them, they will no longer be the big fish, just another beat up UT in ugly orange to deal with.

(07-23-2021 10:09 AM)Usajags Wrote:  If there is any hope of saving the Big 12, there will very soon be rumors of invites from them to other schools. The Big 12 will probably be a happier place without Texas anyway. I’ve always said the reason the Big 12 has been blown up over the last 10 years, and nearly every other conference is because of Texas and their ego.

Be interesting to see how the SEC handles them, they will no longer be the big fish, just another beat up UT in ugly orange to deal with.

The Tv contract for the big 12 was rumored to be very low. Without Texas or OU it will be closer to the AAC than the ACC

Pac 12 says they're willing to listen to remaining Big 12 schools looking for a home

https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/07/23/n...interview/

(07-23-2021 09:17 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  The Big 12 is going to get a full blown payday when OU and UT leave. Exit fees and GOR payout if they leave early. Looks like at a minimum each school will owe the B12 $76 million. That'll split to $19 million per left over member. No chance any school dips out on that guaranteed paycheck and the NCAA credits the B12 have accumulated. Plus the current bowl game contract runs for another few years giving them access to a NY6 bowl.


B12 will take BYU and Cincinnati. Probably UCF and Houston too. If they need 6 then say hello to Colorado State and Memphs. Those adds protect basketball and expands the conference into areas that have a lot of people to keep the media contract from completely collapsing. $15 mill a year in the new B14 is better than $7 in the AAC.

Yes, makes WAY more sense to stay together and just add some other teams. The Big 12 will still be a strong conference (but not like they are now), and will eventually find their new powerhouse programs.

A new program will always step up when their is a power void.

This is going to get very interesting. And if the Big 12 winds up taking a 4 schools afterwards, I can't help but think the SBC gets affected somehow.

(07-23-2021 10:19 AM)Cajun_lannister Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 10:09 AM)Usajags Wrote:  If there is any hope of saving the Big 12, there will very soon be rumors of invites from them to other schools. The Big 12 will probably be a happier place without Texas anyway. I’ve always said the reason the Big 12 has been blown up over the last 10 years, and nearly every other conference is because of Texas and their ego.

Be interesting to see how the SEC handles them, they will no longer be the big fish, just another beat up UT in ugly orange to deal with.

The Tv contract for the big 12 was rumored to be very low. Without Texas or OU it will be closer to the AAC than the ACC

It was rumored it wouldn't be close to the SEC's, which is 45ish million now. The B12 distributed $35 million last year to each team. Without UT and OU, but adding Utah, Orlando, Cincinnati and Houston it'll probably level off to $15-$18 million. Still more than the AAC and especially once those three leave.

(07-23-2021 10:09 AM)Usajags Wrote:  If there is any hope of saving the Big 12, there will very soon be rumors of invites from them to other schools. The Big 12 will probably be a happier place without Texas anyway. I’ve always said the reason the Big 12 has been blown up over the last 10 years, and nearly every other conference is because of Texas and their ego.

Be interesting to see how the SEC handles them, they will no longer be the big fish, just another beat up UT in ugly orange to deal with.

They won't be happier because without Texas and OU the little money they did get turns to basically nothing. They're no longer a power conference at that point and there's no one available to add to possibly keep that status. If i'm one of the remaining schools i'm already on the phone with the Pac 12 begging. Except for WVU of course, they're going to get screwed hard. Too far from the pac 12, highly doubt the ACC takes them.. may be forced back down to G5.

(07-23-2021 10:27 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 10:19 AM)Cajun_lannister Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 10:09 AM)Usajags Wrote:  If there is any hope of saving the Big 12, there will very soon be rumors of invites from them to other schools. The Big 12 will probably be a happier place without Texas anyway. I’ve always said the reason the Big 12 has been blown up over the last 10 years, and nearly every other conference is because of Texas and their ego.

Be interesting to see how the SEC handles them, they will no longer be the big fish, just another beat up UT in ugly orange to deal with.

The Tv contract for the big 12 was rumored to be very low. Without Texas or OU it will be closer to the AAC than the ACC

It was rumored it wouldn't be close to the SEC's, which is 45ish million now. The B12 distributed $35 million last year to each team. Without UT and OU, but adding Utah, Orlando, Cincinnati and Houston it'll probably level off to $15-$18 million. Still more than the AAC and especially once those three leave.

yup, a likely scenario. B12 still has a basketball natty, Kansas bball (for now), some good football schools and a seat at the table (for now). THey can take the AAC best and become the new AAC+

now, if the P12 takes some of the better teams and Kansas goes B1G, I have no idea what happens.

They'd be closer to a power conference than the current tweener league. In basketball they're still a power conference with Baylor, OSU and Kansas. Throw in Houston, Cinci, and Memphis. That's a power BBall conference on the level of the Big East. In football if they can get BYU and gobble up the schools that make the AAC a tweener conference and the B12's champ still would easily be a CFP12 team even with a 2 loss team.

(07-23-2021 10:27 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:17 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  The Big 12 is going to get a full blown payday when OU and UT leave. Exit fees and GOR payout if they leave early. Looks like at a minimum each school will owe the B12 $76 million. That'll split to $19 million per left over member. No chance any school dips out on that guaranteed paycheck and the NCAA credits the B12 have accumulated. Plus the current bowl game contract runs for another few years giving them access to a NY6 bowl.


B12 will take BYU and Cincinnati. Probably UCF and Houston too. If they need 6 then say hello to Colorado State and Memphs. Those adds protect basketball and expands the conference into areas that have a lot of people to keep the media contract from completely collapsing. $15 mill a year in the new B14 is better than $7 in the AAC.

Yes, makes WAY more sense to stay together and just add some other teams. The Big 12 will still be a strong conference (but not like they are now), and will eventually find their new powerhouse programs.

A new program will always step up when their is a power void.

This is going to get very interesting. And if the Big 12 winds up taking a 4 schools afterwards, I can't help but think the SBC gets affected somehow.

It makes sense for the conference maybe, but per school... def not. If you get a Pac 12 invite you take it. Thats basically what happened to the Big East when all the other schools moved on to power conferences.. ended up with the AAC. But in no way, shape or form is the AAC close to any of the P5 conferences financially. The schools that won in that scenario were Louisville, Pitt, VT, Rutgers, Miami and WVU. Those that were left, like USF, definitely took an L. That's pretty much what would happen here. OU and Texas leave, maybe one or two others. They pick a couple AAC schools and end up with a few more dollars a year than the AAC... but the rest of the Big 12 that's left become the USF. Highly doubt they're going to be thrilled about no longer being considered being in a power conference.

USA Today has reported that the rest of the schools in the Big 12 desire to stay together, and that they will require Oklahoma and Texas to adhere to the Big 12’s Grant of Rights, which runs to 2025.

That means Texas and Oklahoma would have to pay a penalty of $70 million EACH, which gets paid out to the remaining Big 12 schools equally.

At this point, I see the Big 12 staying together, and simply adding two more schools from either the AAC or MWC. My guess is BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, Colorado State.

(07-23-2021 10:41 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  USA Today has reported that the rest of the schools in the Big 12 desire to stay together, and that they will require Oklahoma and Texas to adhere to the Big 12’s Grant of Rights, which runs to 2025.

That means Texas and Oklahoma would have to pay a penalty of $70 million EACH, which gets paid out to the remaining Big 12 schools equally.

Kansas has already reached out to the big 10 ..

Kansas, Nebraska and Missouri in the B10 would be something

(07-23-2021 10:41 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  USA Today has reported that the rest of the schools in the Big 12 desire to stay together, and that they will require Oklahoma and Texas to adhere to the Big 12’s Grant of Rights, which runs to 2025.

That means Texas and Oklahoma would have to pay a penalty of $70 million EACH, which gets paid out to the remaining Big 12 schools equally.

At this point, I see the Big 12 staying together, and simply adding two more schools from either the AAC or MWC. My guess is BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, Colorado State.

"I am happy to be coach at ___________ and I have no interest in job __________".

(07-23-2021 07:58 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 07:51 AM)Tealblood Wrote:  lots of scenarios in this thread may play but

Ain't no damn way West by God Virginia goes to the ACC

no way the wine and cheese crowd accepts that

much better chance Central Florida gets to go to ACC for the Orlando market

Then the ACC takes Maryland from the B1G, but no way the ACC takes a third Florida school. Expansion is about increasing viewership, another school in Florida doesn’t do that.

The last expansion was about viewership. This one feels more like adding good programs that can qualify for playoff spots.

There are going to be some angry conferences when the 4-team playoff consists of nothing but SEC schools...

(07-23-2021 11:19 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  There are going to be some angry conferences when the 4-team playoff consists of nothing but SEC schools...

Some pretty angry fans too. Watching the SEC Champ lose the natty to another conferencemate again would still be funny.