I believe Texas and OU would consider leaving. The Big12 is damaged good. Oh course that is Texas and OU's fault. But none the less, the landscape of college football is changing, and those two won't get left holding the bag. If they go, I'd expect Kansas to leave for the BIG10, and the Big12 to become a second tier power conference, which sucks for the AAC's master dream. BYU, Colorado St., Memphis, and UCF would be my best guesses for who would get the call up to the Big12. We will see.

(07-21-2021 05:30 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  I believe Texas and OU would consider leaving. The Big12 is damaged good. Oh course that is Texas and OU's fault. But none the less, the landscape of college football is changing, and those two won't get left holding the bag. If they go, I'd expect Kansas to leave for the BIG10, and the Big12 to become a second tier power conference, which sucks for the AAC's master dream. BYU, Colorado St., Memphis, and UCF would be my best guesses for who would get the call up to the Big12. We will see.

If Texas and Oklahoma leave , this will be Big East 2.0.

Those American schools will think a move to a depleted Big 12 means something, but it won't.

Just new schools to get beat around by.

Big 12 is left with:

Baylor
Texas Tech
TCU
OKST
Kansas
Kansas St
Iowa St
WVU

Still a good conference at 8, better than Big East pre-2011. They will still want to put distance between them and any G5. What schools to take to weaken them? It depends on how many they want to take. I think they go 12 or 14. For 12, I don’t see them going west. That would put them into three time zones, sounds like a nightmare for Olympic sports. In order of likelihood IMO:

Cincinnati - Big East buddy for WVU, travel partner, Ohio recruiting, great market
Houston - old SWC buddy, big market, four Texas teams still, perfect geography
Memphis - Huge basketball, good geographical footprint, huge potential, great recruiting area
UCF - huge enrollment, great recruiting, big name, great potential, makes footprint huge though


If they go to 14 though I think they could go for the 3-permanent/5-rotational system and maybe only pick up some football only schools to keep the geography from getting too spread out for Olympic sports.

BYU - huge following, great history, huge name,
Boise St. - huge name, very good recent history, lots of success
Colorado st. - great geographic fit, back into Colo., great name
Cincinnati
Houston
Memphis

Taking schools from the AAC and the MWC is going to cause a lot of dominoes to fall towardS CUSA.

(07-21-2021 05:40 PM)dawgonit Wrote:  Big 12 is left with:

Baylor
Texas Tech
TCU
OKST
Kansas
Kansas St
Iowa St
WVU

Still a good conference at 8, better than Big East pre-2011. They will still want to put distance between them and any G5. What schools to take to weaken them? It depends on how many they want to take. I think they go 12 or 14. For 12, I don’t see them going west. That would put them into three time zones, sounds like a nightmare for Olympic sports. In order of likelihood IMO:

Cincinnati - Big East buddy for WVU, travel partner, Ohio recruiting, great market
Houston - old SWC buddy, big market, four Texas teams still, perfect geography
Memphis - Huge basketball, good geographical footprint, huge potential, great recruiting area
UCF - huge enrollment, great recruiting, big name, great potential, makes footprint huge though


If they go to 14 though I think they could go for the 3-permanent/5-rotational system and maybe only pick up some football only schools to keep the geography from getting too spread out for Olympic sports.

BYU - huge following, great history, huge name,
Boise St. - huge name, very good recent history, lots of success
Colorado st. - great geographic fit, back into Colo., great name
Cincinnati
Houston
Memphis

Taking schools from the AAC and the MWC is going to cause a lot of dominoes to fall towardS CUSA.

If it's those 8 left, BYU, Boise State, Houston and Cincinnati get the bid.

UCF and Memphis strong, strong consideration. However Those first four offer the best chance at a logical Big 12 footprint, history and upside.

And let's be clear, if that happens, that league has no better shot at gaining a playoff team than us.

(07-21-2021 04:12 PM)galojah Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 04:09 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 03:48 PM)galojah Wrote:  I would expect West Virginia to reconsider and appeal to the ACC.

Three maybe four reasons WVU will NEVER be in the ACC: UVA, UNC, Duke, Wake Forest.

Fair, but if the ACC feels the need to expand to "keep up", not many better options.

WVU has been trying to get in the ACC long before the BE sponsored football. The 1st time they tried was in 1987. At the time WVU was only classified as a Master's Colleges & Universitiey. They didn't reach R2 status until 1996 and just recahed R1 status in 2017. The Triangle plus a few other academic minded schools will keep them out. It's been so long now I don't know if they would get a single vote from the old BE schools.

If this happens it won't just be Texas and Oklahoma. I cold see the B12 only left with Baylor, TCU, Kansas State, Iowa State and WVU. If that happens then no way do they keep their power status.

Also then if they do pull 3 from AAC and 1 from the MWC. Does the MWC come for a CUSA Texas school or do they reach out to Tulsa. Tulsa athletics is back down in the gutter again but they have academics on thier side. If its only 3 AAC schools then its probably UCF, Cincy and Houston which means Memphis gets left behind. And would leave the AAC with Memphis, ECU, USF, Tulane, SMU, Temple, Tulsa and Wichita State.

(07-21-2021 05:39 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 05:30 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  I believe Texas and OU would consider leaving. The Big12 is damaged good. Oh course that is Texas and OU's fault. But none the less, the landscape of college football is changing, and those two won't get left holding the bag. If they go, I'd expect Kansas to leave for the BIG10, and the Big12 to become a second tier power conference, which sucks for the AAC's master dream. BYU, Colorado St., Memphis, and UCF would be my best guesses for who would get the call up to the Big12. We will see.

If Texas and Oklahoma leave , this will be Big East 2.0.

Those American schools will think a move to a depleted Big 12 means something, but it won't.

Just new schools to get beat around by.

Kind of like us SBC schools moving to CUSA meant something.


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(07-21-2021 06:11 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 04:12 PM)galojah Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 04:09 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 03:48 PM)galojah Wrote:  I would expect West Virginia to reconsider and appeal to the ACC.

Three maybe four reasons WVU will NEVER be in the ACC: UVA, UNC, Duke, Wake Forest.

Fair, but if the ACC feels the need to expand to "keep up", not many better options.

WVU has been trying to get in the ACC long before the BE sponsored football. The 1st time they tried was in 1987. At the time WVU was only classified as a Master's Colleges & Universitiey. They didn't reach R2 status until 1996 and just recahed R1 status in 2017. The Triangle plus a few other academic minded schools will keep them out. It's been so long now I don't know if they would get a single vote from the old BE schools.

If this happens it won't just be Texas and Oklahoma. I cold see the B12 only left with Baylor, TCU, Kansas State, Iowa State and WVU. If that happens then no way do they keep their power status.

Also then if they do pull 3 from AAC and 1 from the MWC. Does the MWC come for a CUSA Texas school or do they reach out to Tulsa. Tulsa athletics is back down in the gutter again but they have academics on thier side. If its only 3 AAC schools then its probably UCF, Cincy and Houston which means Memphis gets left behind. And would leave the AAC with Memphis, ECU, USF, Tulane, SMU, Temple, Tulsa and Wichita State.

I know the BIG has long coveted Kansas that would take them to 15 would they want OSU or Texas Tech? I could see OSU and Texas Tech in the PAC 12. I guess if the BIG could steal an ACC team to get to 16 that would create an opening but I doubt WVU would ever get serious consideration. WVU is in the BIG12 because no other conference wanted them.

Kansas will bolt if this happens

(07-21-2021 04:09 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 03:48 PM)galojah Wrote:  I would expect West Virginia to reconsider and appeal to the ACC.

Three maybe four reasons WVU will NEVER be in the ACC: UVA, UNC, Duke, Wake Forest.

West Virginia's already in CUSA for men's soccer, so ...

Texas isnt going to the SEC, Texas AM athletic director has already gone public, basically saying they would say no.

(07-21-2021 06:46 PM)moehler Wrote:  Texas isnt going to the SEC, Texas AM athletic director has already gone public, basically saying they would say no.

Only takes a 75 percent yea vote to make it happen, so they'd need three other schools to join them, and I just don't see it. The SEC isn't going to let A&M louse up a chance to add two massive cash cows to the dairy.

(07-21-2021 06:32 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  I know the BIG has long coveted Kansas that would take them t 15 would they want OSU or Texas Tech? I could see OSU and Texas Tech in the PAC 12. I guess if the BIG could steal an ACC team to get to 16 that would create an opening but I doubt WVU would ever get serious consideration. WVU is in the BIG12 because no other conference wanted them.

Im almost positive Syracuse or BC would get the call before WVU would if they were to take Kansas and want a 16th then. Both Cuse and BC are more close to the Rutgers/Maryland mold.

(07-21-2021 04:11 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 03:36 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  I have a difficulty believing it. But if this were to somehow happen, I see a couple of MWC schools moving up to B12 to, at least numerically, bring the conference back to their usual number.

IF they want to keep WVU (maybe they don't) the BIG12 better be looking east of the MS to replace departures. I'm thinking Cincy, UCF and if they want to get to 12 maybe USF and 1 MWC team likely Colorado St.

Memphis and Cincinnati.

Not sure, why would Bama, LSU, Georgia, Florida want them? They already make more money as a conference than they could ever spend, so they don’t need Texas, no one is starving. The conference is already a football meat grinder, why make it that much more insanely difficult, the conference has a big media handprint in the Southwest, and no one needs Texas as a rival to boost interest, they already own the collage athletic world in almost every sport, Texas doesn’t being anything new. Not saying it can’t happen, just seems like two schools that arent going to move the needle.

(07-21-2021 06:49 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 06:46 PM)moehler Wrote:  Texas isnt going to the SEC, Texas AM athletic director has already gone public, basically saying they would say no.

Only takes a 75 percent yea vote to make it happen, so they'd need three other schools to join them, and I just don't see it. The SEC isn't going to let A&M louse up a chance to add two massive cash cows to the dairy.

Also, the ADs aren’t the ones voting anyway!

This is happening. Only question really is “what else” is happening.

Doomsday prediction:

No way do the Big 10, ACC, and Pac12 sit still if the SEC goes to 16. Those conferences will pluck a couple teams each from the Big12 leftovers and the Big12 will cease to exist. The P5 becomes the P4. Then their next move will be to officially separate themselves from the G5 and any former Big12 members that get left behind. P4 championship and separate G5 + Big12 leftovers championship. When the NCAA tournament TV contract is up, the P4 will create their own basketball tournament too. The end of college athletics as we know it.

Yeah I am pretty sure this is happening which leads me to believe the new playoff format may not come to fruition in its current form. You know the B1G, ACC, and PAC 12 isn't going to stand pat, they'll get to 16 teams as well which will destroy the current Big 12. I think the following would happen:

1. B1G tries to snag a team from the ACC and entice Notre Dame to join. Maybe Iowa State or Okie St would be on the their radar.
2. The ACC tries to get Notre Dame to join them full time and hope other members stay.
3. The ACC may have to swallow their pride and invite WVU or possibly an AAC school like Cincinnati or UCF.
4. The PAC 12 will no doubt invite Texas Tech and Okla. St. Question would be the other two schools they would invite? I would think strong consideration would go to another Texas school or maybe Kansas because of their basketball program. Maybe even a BYU would be considered.
5. Whoever remains with the Big 12 will get some AAC teams to join (Houston, SMU, UCF, Cincy) along with Boise and possibly a BYU to form the best of rest Big 12 or 14. Not P5 status but better than the current AAC and probably doubles the payout the AAC currently gets. The Big 12 name will still carry more cache than the AAC which is why I think AAC teams would leave for even a depleted Big 12 if they can get more money.

(07-21-2021 07:54 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 06:49 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 06:46 PM)moehler Wrote:  Texas isnt going to the SEC, Texas AM athletic director has already gone public, basically saying they would say no.

Only takes a 75 percent yea vote to make it happen, so they'd need three other schools to join them, and I just don't see it. The SEC isn't going to let A&M louse up a chance to add two massive cash cows to the dairy.

Also, the ADs aren’t the ones voting anyway!

This is happening. Only question really is “what else” is happening.

It sounded like it will happen on the local Houston news tonight, too.

Now it is time for the AAC leftovers, Sunbelt and C-USA to reorganize geographically.

(07-21-2021 08:18 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 07:54 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 06:49 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 06:46 PM)moehler Wrote:  Texas isnt going to the SEC, Texas AM athletic director has already gone public, basically saying they would say no.

Only takes a 75 percent yea vote to make it happen, so they'd need three other schools to join them, and I just don't see it. The SEC isn't going to let A&M louse up a chance to add two massive cash cows to the dairy.

Also, the ADs aren’t the ones voting anyway!

This is happening. Only question really is “what else” is happening.

It sounded like it will happen on the local Houston news tonight, too.

Now it is time for the AAC leftovers, Sunbelt and C-USA to reorganize geographically.

Hopefully UTEP and Rice will be together when it’s all said and done. But I have a feeling the former will be in a Western conference and the latter in an Central/Eastern based one.