https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tenness...8046663002

I wouldn't trust the Tennessean if they reported that water was wet.

This is being reported in the Houston Chronicle also. Big story if it happens.

So do we add Kansas and West Virginia? Cincy & WVU?

(07-21-2021 03:23 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tenness...8046663002

This has legs. Doesn't mean it's going to happen, but it's not some West Virginia nonsense.

Pete Thamel tweeted:
Made a few calls. Column coming. General feel is that Texas was going to essentially explore free agency after this TV deal. Independent? ACC? SEC? They were going to be active. "There’s too much chatter and conversation behind the scenes for there to not be some truth here."

Unless the ACC can somehow pull full membership for ND and/or Texas out of the hat, this move by the SEC just further relegates the ACC to third-tier status along with the PAC.

I don't realistically see what the ACC can really do here, but things get a lot uglier than they already are if Texas and OU go SEC and the ensuing TV contract therein. Even if that doesn't happen, the ACC is about to be doubled in revenue. What now, tripled with this development?

(07-21-2021 03:50 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  So do we add Kansas and West Virginia? Cincy & WVU?

No, you don't add anyone but Texas or ND at this point.

I'm very open to WVU depending on how the dust settles, they're a credible program and have plenty of natural rivals, but that's it.

No reason to water down with any other leftovers with no value to anyone.

(07-21-2021 04:19 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 03:23 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tenness...8046663002

This has legs. Doesn't mean it's going to happen, but it's not some West Virginia nonsense.

Pete Thamel tweeted:
Made a few calls. Column coming. General feel is that Texas was going to essentially explore free agency after this TV deal. Independent? ACC? SEC? They were going to be active. "There’s too much chatter and conversation behind the scenes for there to not be some truth here."

Unless the ACC can somehow pull full membership for ND and/or Texas out of the hat, this move by the SEC just further relegates the ACC to third-tier status along with the PAC.

I don't realistically see what the ACC can really do here, but things get a lot uglier than they already are if Texas and OU go SEC and the ensuing TV contract therein. Even if that doesn't happen, the ACC is about to be doubled in revenue. What now, tripled with this development?

This is huge. ND joining in football is a must for the ACC to remain viable. Otherwise, the rest of their sports may have to go elsewhere, possibly the Big East.

(07-21-2021 04:53 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 04:19 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 03:23 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tenness...8046663002

This has legs. Doesn't mean it's going to happen, but it's not some West Virginia nonsense.

Pete Thamel tweeted:
Made a few calls. Column coming. General feel is that Texas was going to essentially explore free agency after this TV deal. Independent? ACC? SEC? They were going to be active. "There’s too much chatter and conversation behind the scenes for there to not be some truth here."

Unless the ACC can somehow pull full membership for ND and/or Texas out of the hat, this move by the SEC just further relegates the ACC to third-tier status along with the PAC.

I don't realistically see what the ACC can really do here, but things get a lot uglier than they already are if Texas and OU go SEC and the ensuing TV contract therein. Even if that doesn't happen, the ACC is about to be doubled in revenue. What now, tripled with this development?

This is huge. ND joining in football is a must for the ACC to remain viable. Otherwise, the rest of their sports may have to go elsewhere, possibly the Big East.

I'm certainly not going to imply that the ACC can force Notre Dame to do anything they don't want to do.

But for 40 years, ND has had the choice to either call their shot about a conference and and build their conference and future schedule on their own terms. And they've kicked that can down the road in favor of independence today at the risk of what arrangement they get forced into tomorrow.

Do you think ND 20 years ago envisioned a day when they'd HAVE to play five games against a "substandard" conference? But they do, because independence above everything.

They keep grasping whatever toe hold they can get to remain independent with whatever the landscape allows them.

At some point, I don't think it's crazy (although maybe not likely) that they decide it's more important to proactively lock down what their future looks like rather than "stay independent and we'll see what happens."

This the domino I was waiting for . This would be a titanic shift of power. The ACC would not only be lapped, but buried.

It's kinda impressive to think about how many losers OU and Texas moving creates.

Let's say they went to the SEC. The following teams would never again see the light of day in the reorganized SEC divisions: Miss State, Ole Miss, Arkansas, South Carolina, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Missouri. Let's say you're in the SEC East. You'd need UGAg, Florida, Auburn, Alabama, and Tennessee to all be down at the same time. Let's say you're in the SEC West. You'd need Texas, Texas A&M, LSU, and Oklahoma to all be down at the same time. The Big 12 would obviously be thrown into chaos. Every G5 would be in limbo pending the dominoes higher up. The Pac-12 would fall closer to the average G5 than the average P5. The Big 12 wouldn't be much better than that. The ACC would still be an awkward tweener between the SEC and B1G and everybody else. The B1G would be permanently at a cash disadvantage unless it was willing to cast off lesser members and somehow expand with top notch merchandise (ND and little else works). I would also assume the NCAA dies even more rapidly if this happens given that Sankey uses the NCAA as his personal gym speed bag on every presser at this point.

If true, it's a massive short term cash in for the SEC. A disproportionate cash advantage over the rest of the field. Vanderbilt would be able to outhire UNC and Duke for basketball coaches.... and basketball assistants.... and build better facilities.... just by being a loser doormat in football every year. It would be interesting over the medium term to see what top end fanbases end up getting whittled away at and dieing. Simple math says if Texas, OU, TAMU, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, TN, UF, and UGAg are all in the same conference they can't all do well. Some of them are going to be staring at steady diet of 8-4/7-5/6-6 for the rest of their lives. You don't keep filling up 100k stadiums going to the Poulan Weedeater Bowl every year. That's how you downgrade those programs and bleed them out.

Screw WVU… let their football program rot like the teeth of most of their fans.

(07-21-2021 07:05 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Screw WVU… let their football program rot like the teeth of most of their fans.

Amen

Ahhhhhh...

Been waiting for this for a long time. I don't see how we don't end up in a better place. Anywhere.

ACC's plan was always insanely stupid......it's the Big East part 2.

ACC is a dead man walking.

(07-21-2021 08:17 PM)nole Wrote:  ACC's plan was always insanely stupid......it's the Big East part 2.

ACC is a dead man walking.

Yes the ACC should have added Penn State, Ohio State, Auburn, Tennessee, Alabama, and Florida - that would have made a better plan. A great plan that would have never come to fruition.

(07-21-2021 05:58 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  It's kinda impressive to think about how many losers OU and Texas moving creates.

Let's say they went to the SEC. The following teams would never again see the light of day in the reorganized SEC divisions: Miss State, Ole Miss, Arkansas, South Carolina, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Missouri. Let's say you're in the SEC East. You'd need UGAg, Florida, Auburn, Alabama, and Tennessee to all be down at the same time. Let's say you're in the SEC West. You'd need Texas, Texas A&M, LSU, and Oklahoma to all be down at the same time. The Big 12 would obviously be thrown into chaos. Every G5 would be in limbo pending the dominoes higher up. The Pac-12 would fall closer to the average G5 than the average P5. The Big 12 wouldn't be much better than that. The ACC would still be an awkward tweener between the SEC and B1G and everybody else. The B1G would be permanently at a cash disadvantage unless it was willing to cast off lesser members and somehow expand with top notch merchandise (ND and little else works). I would also assume the NCAA dies even more rapidly if this happens given that Sankey uses the NCAA as his personal gym speed bag on every presser at this point.

If true, it's a massive short term cash in for the SEC. A disproportionate cash advantage over the rest of the field. Vanderbilt would be able to outhire UNC and Duke for basketball coaches.... and basketball assistants.... and build better facilities.... just by being a loser doormat in football every year. It would be interesting over the medium term to see what top end fanbases end up getting whittled away at and dieing. Simple math says if Texas, OU, TAMU, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, TN, UF, and UGAg are all in the same conference they can't all do well. Some of them are going to be staring at steady diet of 8-4/7-5/6-6 for the rest of their lives. You don't keep filling up 100k stadiums going to the Poulan Weedeater Bowl every year. That's how you downgrade those programs and bleed them out.

Yep it creates 15 all in the East. Response to your schadenfreude.

The payouts involved are ~ 75 million a year per school.

I checked. The reporter cleared the story with his publisher who checked out the confidential source, so this is legit.

Other Texas reporters say there is likely fire with the smoke and that talks had been going on for some time.

I don't think this stops here. There will be some major moves as the B1G plays catch up.

Also the SEC's deal numbers jumped 150 million in the SI report so I wondered yesterday on an Oklahoma site if perhaps two additions were coming.

These moves might go a bit higher than 16 members. We'll see. But I think all conferences will be impacted and I also think what Sankey is pushing for, as cited in the SI piece, will lead to defections in 3 possibly 4 conferences including the SEC.

(07-21-2021 08:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 05:58 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  It's kinda impressive to think about how many losers OU and Texas moving creates.

Let's say they went to the SEC. The following teams would never again see the light of day in the reorganized SEC divisions: Miss State, Ole Miss, Arkansas, South Carolina, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Missouri. Let's say you're in the SEC East. You'd need UGAg, Florida, Auburn, Alabama, and Tennessee to all be down at the same time. Let's say you're in the SEC West. You'd need Texas, Texas A&M, LSU, and Oklahoma to all be down at the same time. The Big 12 would obviously be thrown into chaos. Every G5 would be in limbo pending the dominoes higher up. The Pac-12 would fall closer to the average G5 than the average P5. The Big 12 wouldn't be much better than that. The ACC would still be an awkward tweener between the SEC and B1G and everybody else. The B1G would be permanently at a cash disadvantage unless it was willing to cast off lesser members and somehow expand with top notch merchandise (ND and little else works). I would also assume the NCAA dies even more rapidly if this happens given that Sankey uses the NCAA as his personal gym speed bag on every presser at this point.

If true, it's a massive short term cash in for the SEC. A disproportionate cash advantage over the rest of the field. Vanderbilt would be able to outhire UNC and Duke for basketball coaches.... and basketball assistants.... and build better facilities.... just by being a loser doormat in football every year. It would be interesting over the medium term to see what top end fanbases end up getting whittled away at and dieing. Simple math says if Texas, OU, TAMU, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, TN, UF, and UGAg are all in the same conference they can't all do well. Some of them are going to be staring at steady diet of 8-4/7-5/6-6 for the rest of their lives. You don't keep filling up 100k stadiums going to the Poulan Weedeater Bowl every year. That's how you downgrade those programs and bleed them out.

Yep it creates 15 all in the East. Response to your schadenfreude.

The payouts involved are ~ 75 million a year per school.

I checked. The reporter cleared the story with his publisher who checked out the confidential source, so this is legit.

Other Texas reporters say there is likely fire with the smoke and that talks had been going on for some time.

I don't think this stops here. There will be some major moves as the B1G plays catch up.

Also the SEC's deal numbers jumped 150 million in the SI report so I wondered yesterday on an Oklahoma site if perhaps two additions were coming.

These moves might go a bit higher than 16 members. We'll see. But I think all conferences will be impacted and I also think what Sankey is pushing for, as cited in the SI piece, will lead to defections in 3 possibly 4 conferences including the SEC.

The other day a poster speculated that Kentucky and South Carolina would be moving to the ACC.

(07-21-2021 08:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 05:58 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  It's kinda impressive to think about how many losers OU and Texas moving creates.

Let's say they went to the SEC. The following teams would never again see the light of day in the reorganized SEC divisions: Miss State, Ole Miss, Arkansas, South Carolina, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Missouri. Let's say you're in the SEC East. You'd need UGAg, Florida, Auburn, Alabama, and Tennessee to all be down at the same time. Let's say you're in the SEC West. You'd need Texas, Texas A&M, LSU, and Oklahoma to all be down at the same time. The Big 12 would obviously be thrown into chaos. Every G5 would be in limbo pending the dominoes higher up. The Pac-12 would fall closer to the average G5 than the average P5. The Big 12 wouldn't be much better than that. The ACC would still be an awkward tweener between the SEC and B1G and everybody else. The B1G would be permanently at a cash disadvantage unless it was willing to cast off lesser members and somehow expand with top notch merchandise (ND and little else works). I would also assume the NCAA dies even more rapidly if this happens given that Sankey uses the NCAA as his personal gym speed bag on every presser at this point.

If true, it's a massive short term cash in for the SEC. A disproportionate cash advantage over the rest of the field. Vanderbilt would be able to outhire UNC and Duke for basketball coaches.... and basketball assistants.... and build better facilities.... just by being a loser doormat in football every year. It would be interesting over the medium term to see what top end fanbases end up getting whittled away at and dieing. Simple math says if Texas, OU, TAMU, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, TN, UF, and UGAg are all in the same conference they can't all do well. Some of them are going to be staring at steady diet of 8-4/7-5/6-6 for the rest of their lives. You don't keep filling up 100k stadiums going to the Poulan Weedeater Bowl every year. That's how you downgrade those programs and bleed them out.

Yep it creates 15 all in the East. Response to your schadenfreude.

The payouts involved are ~ 75 million a year per school.

I checked. The reporter cleared the story with his publisher who checked out the confidential source, so this is legit.

Other Texas reporters say there is likely fire with the smoke and that talks had been going on for some time.

I don't think this stops here. There will be some major moves as the B1G plays catch up.

Also the SEC's deal numbers jumped 150 million in the SI report so I wondered yesterday on an Oklahoma site if perhaps two additions were coming.

These moves might go a bit higher than 16 members. We'll see. But I think all conferences will be impacted and I also think what Sankey is pushing for, as cited in the SI piece, will lead to defections in 3 possibly 4 conferences including the SEC.

The loser count is everybody but 16 teams' wallets financially.

The loser count on the scoreboard will mean some blue bloods in the SEC will bleed out.

So, don't cut the counting short just looking east.

And if the politicians get involved in this mess the loser count could well be everybody.

(07-21-2021 08:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  But I think all conferences will be impacted and I also think what Sankey is pushing for, as cited in the SI piece, will lead to defections in 3 possibly 4 conferences including the SEC.

Such as?

If the SEC was going to kick anybody out they would have booted Vandy for giving up wholesale long ago. Missouri is also an extreme misfit crammed in the East in blatant disregard of reality. I don't see them moving either.

The Pac-12 wouldn't be able to gain much getting what's left in the Big 12. Neither would the ACC. The Big 12 back fills with some combination of Cincinnati, Memphis, BYU, and Houston.

I don't see ACC changes unless ND goes in. Then the move might be WF as a non-football member instead of adding WVU/Cincinnati.

(07-21-2021 05:58 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  It's kinda impressive to think about how many losers OU and Texas moving creates.

Let's say they went to the SEC. The following teams would never again see the light of day in the reorganized SEC divisions: Miss State, Ole Miss, Arkansas, South Carolina, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Missouri. Let's say you're in the SEC East. You'd need UGAg, Florida, Auburn, Alabama, and Tennessee to all be down at the same time. Let's say you're in the SEC West. You'd need Texas, Texas A&M, LSU, and Oklahoma to all be down at the same time. The Big 12 would obviously be thrown into chaos. Every G5 would be in limbo pending the dominoes higher up. The Pac-12 would fall closer to the average G5 than the average P5. The Big 12 wouldn't be much better than that. The ACC would still be an awkward tweener between the SEC and B1G and everybody else. The B1G would be permanently at a cash disadvantage unless it was willing to cast off lesser members and somehow expand with top notch merchandise (ND and little else works). I would also assume the NCAA dies even more rapidly if this happens given that Sankey uses the NCAA as his personal gym speed bag on every presser at this point.

If true, it's a massive short term cash in for the SEC. A disproportionate cash advantage over the rest of the field. Vanderbilt would be able to outhire UNC and Duke for basketball coaches.... and basketball assistants.... and build better facilities.... just by being a loser doormat in football every year. It would be interesting over the medium term to see what top end fanbases end up getting whittled away at and dieing. Simple math says if Texas, OU, TAMU, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, TN, UF, and UGAg are all in the same conference they can't all do well. Some of them are going to be staring at steady diet of 8-4/7-5/6-6 for the rest of their lives. You don't keep filling up 100k stadiums going to the Poulan Weedeater Bowl every year. That's how you downgrade those programs and bleed them out.

Tennessee hasn't done anything for years. If this happens, it will take a great season for the Vols for win as many as 8 games (and 7 wins wouldn't be guaranteed).

That said, the ACC's best hope going forward would be some kind of collective bargaining agreement which results in a hard salary cap (assuming ACC schools can afford it, of course). Unlimited spending will ultimately result in the NY Yankees effect.