(07-12-2021 12:44 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-12-2021 08:47 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(07-12-2021 07:47 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  Testing positive and getting infected are completely different things. The only way to prevent a positive test is quarantine/isolation. Vaccines won't prevent positive tests. They are designed to prevent/limit the severity of infections. They are NOT 100% effective. If the team was 100% vaccinated it would not have guaranteed that no player would test positive.

This is probably the worst case scenario for infectious diseases. You have groups of people traveling and meeting other groups that have been traveling. Then they travel to another site and meet other groups that have been traveling. It's not just the teams. There are hotels staff, restaurants, strip clubs, etc.

Could State have managed this better? Yes.

How so are they different? I am not in the health field so I would like this bolded part of your post explained by someone. I was under the impression that testing positive is the same as being infected. And that testing positive doesnt mean that you will get sick. It is also my understanding that 99.5% of those testing positive today are those who are unvaccinated.

It's 99.5% if the people who have died from the virus the last 3 months are unvaccinated. Not 99.5% of the people who are testing positive are unvaccinated.

What you said is true, but what I said is also true. According to this article from ABC and taken from the CDC, only 0.01% of those testing positive are those who are fully vaccinated. That would leave 99.9% of those testing positive as those who are unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated. That number is actually a little better than the stat that I posted, which means that the vaccines work very well.


From the article:

A breakthrough infection is when a fully vaccinated person becomes infected with COVID-19.

The new CDC report shows that such breakthrough infections may occur in just 0.01% of all fully vaccinated people.

Vaccines are highly effective at preventing infection, but none are 100% protective. Even when these rare breakthroughs happen, the vaccines are still overwhelmingly effective at protecting people from being hospitalized or dying.




ABC CDC

(07-12-2021 01:54 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(07-12-2021 12:44 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-12-2021 08:47 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(07-12-2021 07:47 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  Testing positive and getting infected are completely different things. The only way to prevent a positive test is quarantine/isolation. Vaccines won't prevent positive tests. They are designed to prevent/limit the severity of infections. They are NOT 100% effective. If the team was 100% vaccinated it would not have guaranteed that no player would test positive.

This is probably the worst case scenario for infectious diseases. You have groups of people traveling and meeting other groups that have been traveling. Then they travel to another site and meet other groups that have been traveling. It's not just the teams. There are hotels staff, restaurants, strip clubs, etc.

Could State have managed this better? Yes.

How so are they different? I am not in the health field so I would like this bolded part of your post explained by someone. I was under the impression that testing positive is the same as being infected. And that testing positive doesnt mean that you will get sick. It is also my understanding that 99.5% of those testing positive today are those who are unvaccinated.

It's 99.5% if the people who have died from the virus the last 3 months are unvaccinated. Not 99.5% of the people who are testing positive are unvaccinated.

What you said is true, but what I said is also true. According to this article from ABC and taken from the CDC, only 0.01% of those testing positive are those who are fully vaccinated. That would leave 99.9% of those testing positive as those who are unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated. That number is actually a little better than the stat that I posted, which means that the vaccines work very well.


From the article:

A breakthrough infection is when a fully vaccinated person becomes infected with COVID-19.

The new CDC report shows that such breakthrough infections may occur in just 0.01% of all fully vaccinated people.

Vaccines are highly effective at preventing infection, but none are 100% protective. Even when these rare breakthroughs happen, the vaccines are still overwhelmingly effective at protecting people from being hospitalized or dying.




ABC CDC

Thanks for the link, CuseRoc! However, logically that cannot be true of the test employed by the NCAA. It would be an enormous statistical anomaly if 4 vaccinated people (out of a group of, what, 12?) tested positive on a test in which only 0.01% of all vaccinated people test positive. I believe the NCAA test was testing for exposure to COVID, not actually what we laymen would call "infection".