(06-22-2021 04:13 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(06-22-2021 05:41 AM)blazr Wrote:  And boom goes the dynamite..

Kavanaugh absolutely eviscerated NCAA football. Unfortunately, I think it pushes conferences back to 9 teams. We’ll see how that trickles down…


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Unanimous decision...... Why the attempted shot at Kavanaugh.

Either way things have to change...my be cap coaches salary....that'll be good start. There's no excuse for coaches to make 9(+) million dollars and the players
get no where close to that either in scholarship or in-kind services. Greed is why we are here.

While this ruling didn't destroy the NCAA as we know it, it is certainly the first domino to fall in a series that will ultimately bring down the current structure of college football. 9-0 is a clear signal that everything is going to change. I think FBS football will look very different in 2026 when the new playoff format begins. And, I think some fans that are celebrating this ruling today, will be left wondering how their program became a casualty in the aftermath. If congress doesn't make some kind of partial antitrust exemption for the NCAA, than pay-for-play, INL, and other financial incentives will only be limited by open market value. Then we are dealing with player contracts, free agency, and player unions, similar to what has ruined the NFL.

One thing I've learned over the years is that the big programs always find a way to make more money and gain more power when change occurs. And, those on the outside looking in fall further behind or get left behind. I think this will spark the beginning of realignment, and it should be a different type of arms race then we have ever seen. It will be interesting to see where everyone lands.

Or we live in a world where P5 completely splits and becomes a completely separate organization from the NCAA.

Leaving teams in CUSA basically in a completely different rung.

(06-22-2021 08:12 PM)rileylives Wrote:  Or we live in a world where P5 completely splits and becomes a completely separate organization from the NCAA.

Leaving teams in CUSA basically in a completely different rung.

If that happens, I don't think all of the P5 make the cut.

I could see a national conference made up of the most elite storied programs running a similar structure to the NFL. I think they would only play within their league (due to legal and player safety concerns) and bill their champ as the national champion.

Notre Dame
Ohio State
Alabama
Texas
Oklahoma
USC
Michigan
Auburn
Georgia
LSU
Florida
Penn State

I think the rest of the P5 would reorganize into similar leagues but with less resources and lower caliber talent. Maybe some of the G5 programs could finagle their way into one of these lesser organizations. The rest of the G5 will probably play actual amateur football, similar to what we do now, but completely separated from the pay-for-play leagues, and with much lower overall talent.

So, does this mean "amateur" sports are dead? I mean, college sports has always been able to get away with not paying players under the guise of being an amateur sport. Will this be applicable to all amateur sports? If you play football players, will you have to pay your golf team? Your volleyball team? Women's basketball? etc... etc...?

Also, if the feds make colleges do this, does this mean everybody else has to do it too? Can I compete in an amateur Karate Tournament without being paid? If amateurs like us decide to run in a local 10K or a marathon, will the race sponsor be forced to pay us to participate? It's the same thing.

(06-22-2021 10:19 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  So, does this mean "amateur" sports are dead? I mean, college sports has always been able to get away with not paying players under the guise of being an amateur sport. Will this be applicable to all amateur sports? If you play football players, will you have to pay your golf team? Your volleyball team? Women's basketball? etc... etc...?

Also, if the feds make colleges do this, does this mean everybody else has to do it too? Can I compete in an amateur Karate Tournament without being paid? If amateurs like us decide to run in a local 10K or a marathon, will the race sponsor be forced to pay us to participate? It's the same thing.

The NCAA has to bring some balance to the equation. The last 30-40 years has been nothing but greed in the ranks. The coaches salaries, tv deals, school shoe contract deals, and so on but nothing more for the athletes in that time. Go back to when the coach didn't make more than the school president and you see where the shift in the culture happened.

MTSU mistakenly reported the ruling as 12-0

(06-22-2021 10:19 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  So, does this mean "amateur" sports are dead? I mean, college sports has always been able to get away with not paying players under the guise of being an amateur sport. Will this be applicable to all amateur sports? If you play football players, will you have to pay your golf team? Your volleyball team? Women's basketball? etc... etc...?

Also, if the feds make colleges do this, does this mean everybody else has to do it too? Can I compete in an amateur Karate Tournament without being paid? If amateurs like us decide to run in a local 10K or a marathon, will the race sponsor be forced to pay us to participate? It's the same thing.

Rice pays our players about $60K/year. It's just in the form of a tuition waiver rather than a paycheck. We give the same deal to golfers as football players.

The trend has been for a long time that some schools are moving more to "professional" players instead of student-athletes. I think this ruling will accelerate the split into professional leagues, most of the current P5, and amateur leagues, most of the current G5.

I think the professional schools should make their employees pay tuition if they want to go to class as well as work for the football team

Amateur sports have been gone for some time now especially in football and basketball.

(06-22-2021 03:47 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(06-21-2021 09:24 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  

(06-21-2021 08:34 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  College sports over unless non revenue sports win lawsuits..Also taxes too, not sure this will go well when most players making bank will be limited..

Agreed. What will happen if the water polo player or soccer player has to be paid just as much as a football or bball player (and will a bball player be paid as much as a football player at Bama/OSU/ND or will the football player be paid as much as the bball player at UK/Duke/UNC)? I'm also guessing that a lot of sports will be cut to the min to comply with Title XI and to meet the min number of sports to be D1.

Is cheerleading also considered athletics? And I also wonder about bands. I know college band members aren't considered athletes by most, but don't they spend nearly as many hours practicing together out in the heat as a football team does? If they start paying all the "athletes" for the overtime they put in at school for the benefit of the sport they play, I can see marching bands wanting compensation for putting in all the overtime they do to support the athletics programs.

Do cheerleaders and dance teams count towards TitleIX? If they're on scholly they should.

(06-22-2021 08:35 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(06-22-2021 08:12 PM)rileylives Wrote:  Or we live in a world where P5 completely splits and becomes a completely separate organization from the NCAA.

Leaving teams in CUSA basically in a completely different rung.

If that happens, I don't think all of the P5 make the cut.

I could see a national conference made up of the most elite storied programs running a similar structure to the NFL. I think they would only play within their league (due to legal and player safety concerns) and bill their champ as the national champion.

Notre Dame
Ohio State
Alabama
Texas
Oklahoma
USC
Michigan
Auburn
Georgia
LSU
Florida
Penn State

I think the rest of the P5 would reorganize into similar leagues but with less resources and lower caliber talent. Maybe some of the G5 programs could finagle their way into one of these lesser organizations. The rest of the G5 will probably play actual amateur football, similar to what we do now, but completely separated from the pay-for-play leagues, and with much lower overall talent.

I'm now wondering what will happen with the bball only programs like the schools in the Big East or the Zags? What is their place at the table since football is what's driving the bus here and if there is a split with the NCAA by the P5 football conferences.

The question will be will the band, women and non revenue sports win lawsuits saying they are being discriminated against? You would think the Supreme Court would know the can of worms this opens for all. The kicker is going to be mad making $500 and then taxed compared to start QB lol.

clt has the simple solution

portion of cfb revenue/ all cfb players.

colleges can continue the facility wars, free shoes, etc to compete

Gov.Beshear signs NIL executive order, so it begins in the state of KY. I think it wont be long before the top players on your team will be the pitching on TV...

You will see the player on TV, "Buy your next car from ____ ___ (fill in the blank). Mary's dinner has the best food in town. Do your banking at locally owner farmer Bank.

The programs that do this the best might be able to keep the talent from being bought by another school. The programs that set this up the quickest and better than those they are recruiting again...

will start winning the recruiting wars and see it going down something like this. "Hey Mr high 3 star look at all the companies we have lined up that you can have a shot at" "WKU, has 50, while Marshall, Middle only have 20 do you really want to play for one of those"

Quote:Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear on Thursday signed an executive order allowing student-athletes in Kentucky to receive fair compensation for the use of their name, image and likeness.

“Today’s step was done in cooperation with all of our public universities as well as leadership of both parties,” Beshear said in a news release. “This action ensures we are not at a competitive disadvantage in recruiting, and also that our student-athletes have the same rights and opportunities as those in other states. For any individual athlete, their name, image and likeness are their own and no one else’s.”

Beshear is the first governor to allow compensation for name, image and likeness by executive order. The executive order takes effect July 1 and remains in effect until superseded by state or federal law.

“WKU Athletics supports and appreciates Governor Beshear’s executive order related to Name, Image and Likeness,” Western Kentucky University said in a statement. “We are excited to announce our comprehensive plans for NIL programming and resources for our student-athletes through enhanced partnership in the coming days.”

Kentucky colleges and universities have been directed to provide education and other resources to assist students with financial literacy, time management and social media and brand management, according to the release announcing the executive order. Additionally, colleges and universities will retain the flexibility to reasonably limit the time, dates and associations from which the student-athlete may earn compensation.

WKU plans to announce its new NIL program of resources next week ahead of July 1, a source told the Daily News.

(06-22-2021 07:41 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(06-22-2021 07:30 AM)dawgonit Wrote:  

(06-22-2021 06:16 AM)rileylives Wrote:  [quote='MinerInWisconsin' pid='17475200' dateline='1624337279']I also don't think Kavanaugh has ever heard of an unpaid internship...businesses do this ALL THE TIME.

This is getting off-topic, but has a case been brought before the supreme court about unpaid internships?

I'm not sure, but I don't think our government should be telling our businesses what they need to be doing.

If our government didn't already do that there would be sweatshops full of ten year olds in every major city.

(06-22-2021 08:35 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(06-22-2021 08:12 PM)rileylives Wrote:  Or we live in a world where P5 completely splits and becomes a completely separate organization from the NCAA.

Leaving teams in CUSA basically in a completely different rung.

If that happens, I don't think all of the P5 make the cut.

I could see a national conference made up of the most elite storied programs running a similar structure to the NFL. I think they would only play within their league (due to legal and player safety concerns) and bill their champ as the national champion.

Notre Dame
Ohio State
Alabama
Texas
Oklahoma
USC
Michigan
Auburn
Georgia
LSU
Florida
Penn State

I think the rest of the P5 would reorganize into similar leagues but with less resources and lower caliber talent. Maybe some of the G5 programs could finagle their way into one of these lesser organizations. The rest of the G5 will probably play actual amateur football, similar to what we do now, but completely separated from the pay-for-play leagues, and with much lower overall talent.

If that becomes the case then most people may just wait until Sunday and watch the real pros not a greedy Saban and semi-pro teams like Alabama...

If we get to this point it may actually be better for the rest of us still playing college football

(06-22-2021 04:13 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(06-22-2021 05:41 AM)blazr Wrote:  And boom goes the dynamite..

Kavanaugh absolutely eviscerated NCAA football. Unfortunately, I think it pushes conferences back to 9 teams. We’ll see how that trickles down…


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Unanimous decision...... Why the attempted shot at Kavanaugh.

I took a shot AT Kavanaugh? Not sure what's going on here. Maybe look up the definition of "eviscerate"?

I agreed with his opinion (I hesitate to type that because will pick out something and press me on it). Keep in mind that Kavanaugh's supporting statement was not even the official response of the Court (i.e., he didn't even have to respond but made an exception in this case). My response was that Kavanaugh made sure it was perfectly clear that not only was the NCAA in the wrong on this but the very foundations and operation of the organization are appallingly monopolistic and at the direct expense of the most innocent target(s) they found - young adults with essentially no choice in demanding the product the NCAA pitches. He had a chance to just punch a guy out in a bar and instead he Muay Thai kneed him in the face, roundhouse kicked him to the floor, then put him an arm bar and actually broke his elbow.