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Scandals
I wanted to bring this discussion into the BIG forum where there may be some level headed conversation.

First of all, as I've personally done on posts here before, I am thinking of any and all victims of the Ohio State, Michigan State, Michigan and Penn State scandals. I'm not about to use these disgusting actions as a way to devalue one conference and/or part of the country. It's disgusting to me to see threads where absolutely nobody acknowledges the victims first.

The actions of the leaders at these school's during these times of tragedy are inexcusable. It's hard for me to think that even though most of this was decades ago, how could these people think it was ok? It's disturbing!

If you have anything to add, please feel free to do so. I just ask to keep it classy, if possible please.

I will say that I DON'T believe this is just a "regional" issue, wanted to make that part pretty clear so there are no assumptions.

Thank you!
06-12-2021 12:59 PM
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RE: Scandals
Scandals are individual problems meaning individuals are responsible for their own actions. If they individually choose to do wrong by either by their actions or or hiding the bad actions of others, that is their issue, personally, and not an issue with everything they are associated. There are a lot of bad, immoral people out there and they will have less issue with doing whatever it takes to reach their goals and won't let rules or morals stand in their way.

Characterizing the Midwest or any group with a blanket statement like this reminds me of those who say stuff like "Never draft a quarterback from Southern Cal/Ohio State/wherever because they are always busts." Players don't work out for a million reasons and to ignore an entire position group from an entire college then that's just a poor decision. Being corrupt, evil, etc. is not exclusive to the Midwest.
06-13-2021 08:44 AM
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RE: Scandals
I started out not to post in this thread but due to my age and chronological vantage point I feel it necessary to speak. But, understand I am glad victims have an easier time being heard and believed today than in the late 60's - early 80's, but I find this assault on Schembechler unfair because it is yet another attempt to apply today's standards upon yesteryear's culture.

In the late 60's-80's all such matters were handled in house and if the University's president wanted to prosecute or felt a crime had been committed then police were brought in and action taken. But, chain of command was followed in all institutions in the in those years and employees who didn't, or wouldn't, follow this protocol were seen as disloyal.

So when Bo, realizing allegations were likely valid, asked the victim to pass this to the AD he was following long established and upheld protocols. Remember he had no power to hire or fire anyone not on his staff. Calling the law first simply wasn't done and the social justice warriors didn't exist, and liability suits against state schools were unheard of, so no precedent of being responsible for reporting an allegation to anyone but your superiors had been established.

So if today's people want to lay blame then under the culture of a university in those years the responsibility to act belonged only to the president of said school.

This brings us to the real issue here, in spite of what Bo's son says. Blaming a likely deceased academic gives those with political agendas no public traction. Pin it on an iconic coach and the media goes bonkers and most people alive today haven't a clue as to campus culture of those years.

When Bo put a hand to his son's chest and told him to essentially man up what he was likely trying to do was to tell him that this issue for whatever reason was not being acted upon by school administration and that reporting it would likely hurt his son more. And of course this is conjecture on my part.

What is not conjecture is that the very corporations pushing social justice today prefer to handle all such matters in house before the law is called.

I call that a major double standard.

The difference between this situation and Penn State's is that Sandusky was on Paterno's staff and Paterno could have acted. Liability was a thing in the 90's and 2000's and into the 2010's and victim's rights were coming of age.

None of that was true in the late 60's and 70's or into the early 80's.

But our nation needs to be very careful because now a mere allegation pushed by the press and taken out of context can convict anyone of anything before facts and a trial can render a verdict that is reasoned. Media as lynch mob has become all too real a thing.
06-13-2021 12:30 PM
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RE: Scandals
IIRC, Sandusky was investigated in 1998 but no charges were forthcoming, he then hung it up in 1999. The friendship between Paterno and Sandusky certainly complicated the issue but Sandusky was no longer on the staff when the acts witnessed by McQueary took place since Sandusky was a coach emeritus by then. Paterno was a product of the "chain of command" era and by accounts attempted to follow it. Could he have done more? I believe that he could, but whether it rose to the level of being fired is iffy with me. Nonetheless, the decision was made. It's not a stretch to speculate that Sandusky had been engaged in his sordid behavior for years or decades and if Joe had known during Sandusky's actual coaching tenure then that is patently negligent.

On a related tangent, I once met Matt Schembechler in a professional setting in the early 80's. I asked him if it was a mere coincidence about his last name to which he replied that he was Bo's son, he didn't seem too enthusiastic about it so I didn't pursue it.
06-13-2021 07:20 PM
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