(06-12-2021 01:01 PM)Tulsa Guy Wrote:  

(06-12-2021 09:52 AM)BCSvsBS Wrote:  

(06-12-2021 09:17 AM)Tulsa Guy Wrote:  I believe there is another factor at play within AAC that is of much more consequence than adding BYU or expanding to 12 or 14 teams. I believe Aresco asked AAC schools to schedule two strong nonconference games against P5 schools and AAC conference schools have largely responded. Is that correct? A victory here by an AAC school would have just as much impact if not more than a victory over BYU.

Then, too, AAC schools are scheduling BYU, sort of an informal arrangement rather than a cooperative agreement like ND/ACC. But I think Aresco called for more AAC/BYU nonconference games (probably with the idea of enticing BYU to join AAC in the future I would guess). One-half or one-third a BYU loaf is better than no BYU loaf at all. BYU would be better off adding more AAC football games rather than playing some of the current schools on their schedule. As an aside, maybe schedule some AAC/BYU basketball games to get BYU thinking more about AAC membership.

BYU VS AAC FOOTBALL GAMES:
2021: USF @BYU
2022: BYU @USF, ECU TBA
2023: USF @BYU, BYU @UCF
2024: UCF @BYU, BYU @ECU

OTHER BYU FOOTBALL GAMES:
2021: Idaho State, @Georgia Southern
2022: BYU @Liberty, Dixie State @BYU
2023: Southern Utah @BYU
2024: Georgia Southern @BYU, Dixie State

Another form of "expansion" is playing 9 conference football games. The Big 12 plays 9 conference games and then one tough nonconference game. Baylor caught holy hell for their patsy nonconference schedule but has improved its nonconference schedule because of criticism within the B12 leadership. I prefer for AAC to stay at 8 conference football games. For B12, playing 9 conference games was meant to add more games to the B12 TV inventory to boost their TV contract....but isn't that what drives a lot of conference expansion?

The Big12 had to play 9 conference games as per the rules, they had to play a complete round-robin.

As I recall, the Big 12 agreed to play 9 conference football games when the negotiated their TV contract with just 10 members so as to have a larger inventory for TV. The requirement to play a round robin (9 conference games for Big 12) came later. This taken from Wikipedia:

"In December 2014 after completing the first season with the College Football Playoff, Baylor and TCU both finished the season with 8-1 conference record and were declared co-champions by the conference despite Baylor's heat-to-head win over TCU. When the selection committee met to set the teams for the first playoff, both Baylor and TCU were overlooked in favor of teams that competed in and won their conference's championship game, leaving the Big 12 out of the playoffs. This led to criticism of how the Big 12 determined its champion."

In April 2015, legislation was developed by the ACC and Big 12 to deregulate conference championship games. It was announced by NCAA officials as being expected to pass in time for the 2016 season. The legislation passed on January 14, 2016 allowing a conference with fewer than 12 teams to stage a championship game between the top two teams, so long as they pay a round-robin schedule. In late 2016, the Big 12 decided to bring back the championship game in 2017 after a seven year long gap of having no conference championship game."

You could do conference round robin as Big12 does or break into divisions and do round robin in them. The problem I think is that schedule wise a 6/5 division split makes it difficult to schedule a round robin in each plus crossover games to get to 8

Just remember, BYU was one of the schools that worked to found the MWC. Perhaps they would look to do something like that again, help start a new conference from the best of the AAC and MWC? Just saying they have a history of doing that, they also have a history of abandoning a conference when they feel it suits them.

(06-12-2021 09:52 AM)BCSvsBS Wrote:  

(06-12-2021 09:17 AM)Tulsa Guy Wrote:  I believe there is another factor at play within AAC that is of much more consequence than adding BYU or expanding to 12 or 14 teams. I believe Aresco asked AAC schools to schedule two strong nonconference games against P5 schools and AAC conference schools have largely responded. Is that correct? A victory here by an AAC school would have just as much impact if not more than a victory over BYU.

Then, too, AAC schools are scheduling BYU, sort of an informal arrangement rather than a cooperative agreement like ND/ACC. But I think Aresco called for more AAC/BYU nonconference games (probably with the idea of enticing BYU to join AAC in the future I would guess). One-half or one-third a BYU loaf is better than no BYU loaf at all. BYU would be better off adding more AAC football games rather than playing some of the current schools on their schedule. As an aside, maybe schedule some AAC/BYU basketball games to get BYU thinking more about AAC membership.

BYU VS AAC FOOTBALL GAMES:
2021: USF @BYU
2022: BYU @USF, ECU TBA
2023: USF @BYU, BYU @UCF
2024: UCF @BYU, BYU @ECU

OTHER BYU FOOTBALL GAMES:
2021: Idaho State, @Georgia Southern
2022: BYU @Liberty, Dixie State @BYU
2023: Southern Utah @BYU
2024: Georgia Southern @BYU, Dixie State

Another form of "expansion" is playing 9 conference football games. The Big 12 plays 9 conference games and then one tough nonconference game. Baylor caught holy hell for their patsy nonconference schedule but has improved its nonconference schedule because of criticism within the B12 leadership. I prefer for AAC to stay at 8 conference football games. For B12, playing 9 conference games was meant to add more games to the B12 TV inventory to boost their TV contract....but isn't that what drives a lot of conference expansion?

The Big12 had to play 9 conference games as per the rules, they had to play a complete round-robin.

The Scum Belch doesn’t have to play 9. They play 8 and still have a CCG

(06-12-2021 05:45 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-12-2021 09:52 AM)BCSvsBS Wrote:  

(06-12-2021 09:17 AM)Tulsa Guy Wrote:  I believe there is another factor at play within AAC that is of much more consequence than adding BYU or expanding to 12 or 14 teams. I believe Aresco asked AAC schools to schedule two strong nonconference games against P5 schools and AAC conference schools have largely responded. Is that correct? A victory here by an AAC school would have just as much impact if not more than a victory over BYU.

Then, too, AAC schools are scheduling BYU, sort of an informal arrangement rather than a cooperative agreement like ND/ACC. But I think Aresco called for more AAC/BYU nonconference games (probably with the idea of enticing BYU to join AAC in the future I would guess). One-half or one-third a BYU loaf is better than no BYU loaf at all. BYU would be better off adding more AAC football games rather than playing some of the current schools on their schedule. As an aside, maybe schedule some AAC/BYU basketball games to get BYU thinking more about AAC membership.

BYU VS AAC FOOTBALL GAMES:
2021: USF @BYU
2022: BYU @USF, ECU TBA
2023: USF @BYU, BYU @UCF
2024: UCF @BYU, BYU @ECU

OTHER BYU FOOTBALL GAMES:
2021: Idaho State, @Georgia Southern
2022: BYU @Liberty, Dixie State @BYU
2023: Southern Utah @BYU
2024: Georgia Southern @BYU, Dixie State

Another form of "expansion" is playing 9 conference football games. The Big 12 plays 9 conference games and then one tough nonconference game. Baylor caught holy hell for their patsy nonconference schedule but has improved its nonconference schedule because of criticism within the B12 leadership. I prefer for AAC to stay at 8 conference football games. For B12, playing 9 conference games was meant to add more games to the B12 TV inventory to boost their TV contract....but isn't that what drives a lot of conference expansion?

The Big12 had to play 9 conference games as per the rules, they had to play a complete round-robin.

The Scum Belch doesn’t have to play 9. They play 8 and still have a CCG

They have two divisions of five, so you play four in your division and four out of it.

(06-12-2021 05:05 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  Just remember, BYU was one of the schools that worked to found the MWC. Perhaps they would look to do something like that again, help start a new conference from the best of the AAC and MWC? Just saying they have a history of doing that, they also have a history of abandoning a conference when they feel it suits them.

1. Denver Airport

2. Big 12 Expansion Fiasco

3. AAC Expansion to 12 or 14

Its the world we live in today. Pretty hard just to single out BYU.

(06-12-2021 07:26 PM)Tulsa Guy Wrote:  

(06-12-2021 05:05 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  Just remember, BYU was one of the schools that worked to found the MWC. Perhaps they would look to do something like that again, help start a new conference from the best of the AAC and MWC? Just saying they have a history of doing that, they also have a history of abandoning a conference when they feel it suits them.

1. Denver Airport

2. Big 12 Expansion Fiasco

3. AAC Expansion to 12 or 14

Its the world we live in today. Pretty hard just to single out BYU.

BYU has participated in all three of these and was the root cause of number one by being the driving force for the WAC expansion to 16, then the airport meeting. They also were part of what set off the giant shuffle a decade ish ago. Utah largely wanted away from BYU and their increasing demands, TCU was always looking to move, but BYU's departure signalled the end of the MW and is in large part responsible for them offering Boise the sweetheart deal, because BYU was flirting in the background with the WAC; the MW offers to Nevada and Fresno collapsed that WAC and chopped off BYU's play.

This isn't ND flirting with people, BYU and Boise have a long term history of hurting their own conferences for the schools' exclusive gain, both the WAC and MW. They aren't good partners. BYU at least comes with the weight of the faith, its polynesian recruiting base, and long term multiple decade tradition along with influence on the game. Boise had a great decade followed by an okay one, and no built in fan base or recruiting base.

BYU is a gun for higher that's a proven track record of taking the money and running. Boise is two bit stick up guy who did some time a while back.

(06-12-2021 07:26 PM)Tulsa Guy Wrote:  

(06-12-2021 05:05 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  Just remember, BYU was one of the schools that worked to found the MWC. Perhaps they would look to do something like that again, help start a new conference from the best of the AAC and MWC? Just saying they have a history of doing that, they also have a history of abandoning a conference when they feel it suits them.

1. Denver Airport

2. The total destruction of the MWC with “the project” 8/11/11

3. Big 12 Expansion Fiasco

4. AAC Expansion to 12 or 14

Its the world we live in today. Pretty hard just to single out BYU.

Fixed if for you.

Liberty vs ACC 2020-21 season

Football 2-1
Softball 5-1
Baseball 7-3
14-5 overall

Liberty, AAC Ready

USFFan

(06-15-2021 07:15 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  Liberty vs ACC 2020-21 season

Football 2-1
Softball 5-1
Baseball 7-3
14-5 overall

Liberty, AAC Ready

You guys are doing very well, very soon. That's what concerns me. You're just throwing a bunch a money at your programs. You guys were even a finalist in the women's hip-hop competition. This is happening way too fast. You're microwaved, nouveau riche on steroids. By next week you'll be invited to the SEC. Something fishy is going on.

(06-15-2021 09:18 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 07:15 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  Liberty vs ACC 2020-21 season

Football 2-1
Softball 5-1
Baseball 7-3
14-5 overall

Liberty, AAC Ready

You guys are doing very well, very soon. That's what concerns me. You're just throwing a bunch a money at your programs. You guys were even a finalist in the women's hip-hop competition. This is happening way too fast. You're microwaved, nouveau riche on steroids. By next week you'll be invited to the SEC. Something fishy is going on.

Why aren’t they being taken by Sun Belt and CUSA? That raises even more questions. I think those are conferences they should be looking at, the AAC doesn’t need to take this jump.

(06-15-2021 07:15 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  Liberty vs ACC 2020-21 season

Football 2-1
Softball 5-1
Baseball 7-3
14-5 overall

Liberty, AAC Ready

USM in football only is 38-37-2 vs the ACC and 122-64-2 vs the AAC. Get out of here kid. Liberty has money and has performed well lately but you FBS startups need to chill out. See you in 20 years.

(06-15-2021 09:35 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 09:18 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 07:15 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  Liberty vs ACC 2020-21 season

Football 2-1
Softball 5-1
Baseball 7-3
14-5 overall

Liberty, AAC Ready

You guys are doing very well, very soon. That's what concerns me. You're just throwing a bunch a money at your programs. You guys were even a finalist in the women's hip-hop competition. This is happening way too fast. You're microwaved, nouveau riche on steroids. By next week you'll be invited to the SEC. Something fishy is going on.

Why aren’t they being taken by Sun Belt and CUSA? That raises even more questions.

You hear all kinds reasons why the SB and CUSA passed on LU. But the mostly unspoken one seems to be the main one, our a P5 budget. Now, the AAC wants to create a P6, if they pick someone up they'll need to have a large budget and willing to spend it.

At FCS we were losing a lot of great recruits that wanted to play for us but opted for an FBS program. Now we're getting them and we're catching BYU fast and our goal is ND.

USFFan

(06-15-2021 07:15 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  Liberty vs ACC 2020-21 season

Football 2-1
Softball 5-1
Baseball 7-3
14-5 overall

Liberty, AAC Ready

Sorry, but you do not qualify. Your football attendance does not meet standards.

“Liberty football's average home attendance increased in 2019 to 17,047. This is up from the 16,282 average in 2018. The Flames expanded their football stadium to hold a capacity of 25,000 fans in 2018, prior to the expansion the stadium capacity was 19,200.Dec 9, 2019”

(06-15-2021 11:30 AM)sherekhan Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 07:15 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  Liberty vs ACC 2020-21 season

Football 2-1
Softball 5-1
Baseball 7-3
14-5 overall

Liberty, AAC Ready

Sorry, but you do not qualify. Your football attendance does not meet standards.

“Liberty football's average home attendance increased in 2019 to 17,047. This is up from the 16,282 average in 2018. The Flames expanded their football stadium to hold a capacity of 25,000 fans in 2018, prior to the expansion the stadium capacity was 19,200.Dec 9, 2019”

Football attendance lower than UConn. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

(06-15-2021 12:06 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 11:30 AM)sherekhan Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 07:15 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  Liberty vs ACC 2020-21 season

Football 2-1
Softball 5-1
Baseball 7-3
14-5 overall

Liberty, AAC Ready

Sorry, but you do not qualify. Your football attendance does not meet standards.

“Liberty football's average home attendance increased in 2019 to 17,047. This is up from the 16,282 average in 2018. The Flames expanded their football stadium to hold a capacity of 25,000 fans in 2018, prior to the expansion the stadium capacity was 19,200.Dec 9, 2019”

Football attendance lower than UConn. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Our weak link for sure. I think it gets better fast. We're adding seats for 2022, got VT and BYU coming to town. Guaranteed sellouts.

(06-15-2021 12:17 PM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 12:06 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 11:30 AM)sherekhan Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 07:15 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  Liberty vs ACC 2020-21 season

Football 2-1
Softball 5-1
Baseball 7-3
14-5 overall

Liberty, AAC Ready

Sorry, but you do not qualify. Your football attendance does not meet standards.

“Liberty football's average home attendance increased in 2019 to 17,047. This is up from the 16,282 average in 2018. The Flames expanded their football stadium to hold a capacity of 25,000 fans in 2018, prior to the expansion the stadium capacity was 19,200.Dec 9, 2019”

Football attendance lower than UConn. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Our weak link for sure. I think it gets better fast. We're adding seats for 2022, got VT and BYU coming to town. Guaranteed sellouts.

Okay.
Don't call us. We will (not) call you.

Liberty comes with baggage. They have to be extra good at everything else to overcome that.

(06-15-2021 09:35 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 09:18 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 07:15 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  Liberty vs ACC 2020-21 season

Football 2-1
Softball 5-1
Baseball 7-3
14-5 overall

Liberty, AAC Ready

You guys are doing very well, very soon. That's what concerns me. You're just throwing a bunch a money at your programs. You guys were even a finalist in the women's hip-hop competition. This is happening way too fast. You're microwaved, nouveau riche on steroids. By next week you'll be invited to the SEC. Something fishy is going on.

Why aren’t they being taken by Sun Belt and CUSA? That raises even more questions. I think those are conferences they should be looking at, the AAC doesn’t need to take this jump.

BECAUSE of HATRED towards their Religious. Social, and Political stands... You know double standards, their narrative does not line up with the liberal narrative... The should be ENTITLED to their opinion as much as anyone else believes that they are ENTITLED to theirs.

Personally I couldn't care less about Liberty athletics, but I strongly believe in
freedom of religion, expression and speech... In other words, the Bill of rights and the Constitution as written!