(06-11-2021 01:19 PM)Nameless Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 12:57 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 12:40 PM)Nameless Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 08:22 AM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 08:15 AM)Nameless Wrote:  Sorry guys, I've been working nights so I just haven't had a chance to keep up with everything. Did y'all get a tie in to the CFP? Or is it glaringly obvious that you're going to get one? The tweet said, "reading of the tea leaves" so I take it nothing has happened but something is imminent?

Congrats either way. Well deserved. I've had a lot of fun following this conference, will be even more fun watching you all scalp teams in the playoff

Playoff is expanding to 12 teams, 6 highest ranked conference champs, and 6 at larges.

12 teams with 16 at larges? I really thought if it expanded that much it would have to be all 10 conference champs and then 2 at larges.

Pretty much guarantees the AAC a seat at the table every year though

6 at larges, yes. Also notice how it’s “6 highest ranked conference champions” and not just “P5 champions and G5 champion”. Theoretically, this means more than one G5 team could get in if the stars align.

Oh wow. I'm so tired I didn't even read that correctly the first time. Are the conference champs the top 6 seeds? If that's the case I see the AAC at worst 6th most years

Yes I think the top 6 seeds are the conference champs, and the top 4 get a bye. Essentially it means Notre Dame cannot get a top 6 seed or a bye since they aren’t in a conference.

(06-10-2021 10:55 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

I didn't see this last night. I just post this in another thread.

I can't speak for the MAC but if the CFP expands to 12 then the designations are now gone and it's up to us to produce. We were fighting for a spot with four bids and now there's 12? The opportunity is there, it's up to provide a team that is not only worthy of the bid but WINNING a game or two in the CFP, not to mention the actual championship.

So the second it expands I fully expect us to be in the CFP the following year as a conference. That means we have to expect to win our OOC games - Cincy beats IU and ND, Memphis beats MSU, SMU beats TCU and LT, and so on, and do it consistently.

We've been selling 'Power Conference' regardless of the number for a while now, it's up to us to produce.

(06-11-2021 01:23 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 01:19 PM)Nameless Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 12:57 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 12:40 PM)Nameless Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 08:22 AM)BraveKnight Wrote:  Playoff is expanding to 12 teams, 6 highest ranked conference champs, and 6 at larges.

12 teams with 16 at larges? I really thought if it expanded that much it would have to be all 10 conference champs and then 2 at larges.

Pretty much guarantees the AAC a seat at the table every year though

6 at larges, yes. Also notice how it’s “6 highest ranked conference champions” and not just “P5 champions and G5 champion”. Theoretically, this means more than one G5 team could get in if the stars align.

Oh wow. I'm so tired I didn't even read that correctly the first time. Are the conference champs the top 6 seeds? If that's the case I see the AAC at worst 6th most years

Yes I think the top 6 seeds are the conference champs, and the top 4 get a bye. Essentially it means Notre Dame cannot get a top 6 seed or a bye since they aren’t in a conference.

No.

The seeds are decided by the committee the top 6 conference champions get auto berth, the top 4 conference champions get a buy but no home game. Everyone else is matched by seeding with the top 4 seeds getting home game (read not any non-P5 team.

A few things concerning independents, this makes independence even more sexy for ND and BYU who now only need a top 12 ranking to play. Army now has a way in and with top 25 rankings it isn't out of the realm of possibility they could build into one. Liberty sits in a similar position now. ND's AD is pleased as punch to never hear about not playing in a conference or not having a championship game to play in hurts them. As a side note ND can finish no 5 and is likely going to have 8 home games every year including a playoff game which will have a much higher value than any conference championship game to them.

Air Force suddenly has become our most likely football only add, a football only add just became way less likely, and a rule change about round robin/division requirements for a conference championship game just became an almost guaranteed.

(06-11-2021 01:48 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  I can't speak for the MAC but if the CFP expands to 12 then the designations are now gone and it's up to us to produce. We were fighting for a spot with four bids and now there's 12? The opportunity is there, it's up to provide a team that is not only worthy of the bid but WINNING a game or two in the CFP, not to mention the actual championship.

So the second it expands I fully expect us to be in the CFP the following year as a conference. That means we have to expect to win our OOC games - Cincy beats IU and ND, Memphis beats MSU, SMU beats TCU and LT, and so on, and do it consistently.

We've been selling 'Power Conference' regardless of the number for a while now, it's up to us to produce.

All good points.

But our p6 campaign did just change and it won't be about power, it will be about the play off six. You're absolutely right, we have just been positioned to be on the right side of the divide the whole purpose of the p6 campaign. No guarentee but the door is now open, where before we were trying to jimmy the lock. We do what we are suppose to and we become part of the traditional six conferences who secure an auto berth.

The MW, CUSA and SB are going to form an alliance where the top 12 teams in the alliance play each other each year to strengthen schedules. Just watch and see.
Regional conferences no longer matter. Rivalries do not matter. We just all want IN the playoff. It's not that far-fetched. MW and CUSA worked to form a merger in 2014.

(06-11-2021 02:36 PM)everyone Wrote:  The MW, CUSA and SB are going to form an alliance where the top 12 teams in the alliance play each other each year to strengthen schedules. Just watch and see.
Regional conferences no longer matter. Rivalries do not matter. We just all want IN the playoff. It's not that far-fetched. MW and CUSA worked to form a merger in 2014.

Only way I see the MWC doing that is if they lose Boise and SDSU.

(06-11-2021 02:36 PM)everyone Wrote:  The MW, CUSA and SB are going to form an alliance where the top 12 teams in the alliance play each other each year to strengthen schedules. Just watch and see.
Regional conferences no longer matter. Rivalries do not matter. We just all want IN the playoff. It's not that far-fetched. MW and CUSA worked to form a merger in 2014.

Not if the SB continues it's upwards movement. I'd argue the demographics favor the Sunbelt over the Pac-12 long term - no reason for them to try this, at least not at first.

Let them do this - it would actually hurt them in the long term. A closed-loop scheduling system where they prioritize scheduling each other's strongest teams over actual P5 competitions is EXACTLY what the major conferences want - it allows them to beat each other up while the biggies cry about how they 'don't play anybody.' "Oh look, the toughest team on Boise's schedule is COASTAL CAROLINA" = argument to keep them out of the CFP.

(06-11-2021 12:44 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 11:28 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  The P6 movement may have worked…

It certainly helped---but I think winning access bowl games right off the bat---and playing tight exciting games even when we lost---made a huge impact. It made the continued CFP lock out of half of FBS an absolutely untenable position.

Yes... Thus P6!

(06-11-2021 02:13 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 01:23 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 01:19 PM)Nameless Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 12:57 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 12:40 PM)Nameless Wrote:  12 teams with 16 at larges? I really thought if it expanded that much it would have to be all 10 conference champs and then 2 at larges.

Pretty much guarantees the AAC a seat at the table every year though

6 at larges, yes. Also notice how it’s “6 highest ranked conference champions” and not just “P5 champions and G5 champion”. Theoretically, this means more than one G5 team could get in if the stars align.

Oh wow. I'm so tired I didn't even read that correctly the first time. Are the conference champs the top 6 seeds? If that's the case I see the AAC at worst 6th most years

Yes I think the top 6 seeds are the conference champs, and the top 4 get a bye. Essentially it means Notre Dame cannot get a top 6 seed or a bye since they aren’t in a conference.

No.

The seeds are decided by the committee the top 6 conference champions get auto berth, the top 4 conference champions get a buy but no home game. Everyone else is matched by seeding with the top 4 seeds getting home game (read not any non-P5 team.

A few things concerning independents, this makes independence even more sexy for ND and BYU who now only need a top 12 ranking to play. Army now has a way in and with top 25 rankings it isn't out of the realm of possibility they could build into one. Liberty sits in a similar position now. ND's AD is pleased as punch to never hear about not playing in a conference or not having a championship game to play in hurts them. As a side note ND can finish no 5 and is likely going to have 8 home games every year including a playoff game which will have a much higher value than any conference championship game to them.

Air Force suddenly has become our most likely football only add, a football only add just became way less likely, and a rule change about round robin/division requirements for a conference championship game just became an almost guaranteed.

I don’t follow the independents only having to be in the top 12 part. That would have been the case this past year because there were 6 conference champs in the top 12. To whatever extent any of those 6 champs are lower than 12, then the independents have to get inside the top 11, 10, etc, right?

Shorter version, some of the 12 teams picked can be ranked outside of the top 12.


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(06-12-2021 11:46 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 02:13 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 01:23 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 01:19 PM)Nameless Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 12:57 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  6 at larges, yes. Also notice how it’s “6 highest ranked conference champions” and not just “P5 champions and G5 champion”. Theoretically, this means more than one G5 team could get in if the stars align.

Oh wow. I'm so tired I didn't even read that correctly the first time. Are the conference champs the top 6 seeds? If that's the case I see the AAC at worst 6th most years

Yes I think the top 6 seeds are the conference champs, and the top 4 get a bye. Essentially it means Notre Dame cannot get a top 6 seed or a bye since they aren’t in a conference.

No.

The seeds are decided by the committee the top 6 conference champions get auto berth, the top 4 conference champions get a buy but no home game. Everyone else is matched by seeding with the top 4 seeds getting home game (read not any non-P5 team.

A few things concerning independents, this makes independence even more sexy for ND and BYU who now only need a top 12 ranking to play. Army now has a way in and with top 25 rankings it isn't out of the realm of possibility they could build into one. Liberty sits in a similar position now. ND's AD is pleased as punch to never hear about not playing in a conference or not having a championship game to play in hurts them. As a side note ND can finish no 5 and is likely going to have 8 home games every year including a playoff game which will have a much higher value than any conference championship game to them.

Air Force suddenly has become our most likely football only add, a football only add just became way less likely, and a rule change about round robin/division requirements for a conference championship game just became an almost guaranteed.

I don’t follow the independents only having to be in the top 12 part. That would have been the case this past year because there were 6 conference champs in the top 12. To whatever extent any of those 6 champs are lower than 12, then the independents have to get inside the top 11, 10, etc, right?

Shorter version, some of the 12 teams picked can be ranked outside of the top 12.


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I think the PAC was this year, but generally speaking the A5 champs have always been top 12. It is quite possible we see an upset in the PAC or ACC but I thing the sixth ranked overall conference upset is where to watch.

My point is most years BYU's schedule is such that an undefeated or one loss team is unlikely to be left out of the top 12. A two loss BYU team might even have a shot. Now that is depending on the sort of scenario we needed to get a playoff team in the old 4 team format, but a one loss or undefeated BYU with a two or three top 25 type wins will make the top 12. With their schedule that is doable and they have proven they can upset those sort of teams and get attention since being an independent. They just haven't put together an undefeated or one loss record, but they will see it as a real possibility now, where before they had zero chance.