Athlon Sports retroactively applies the 12-team playoff system for each year since the CFP got started:

https://athlonsports.com/college-footbal...ormat-2014

Quote:Overall Playoff Trips By Conference From 2014-20 if 12-Team Format Existed

Big Ten: 20
SEC: 19
Big 12: 12
Pac-12: 11
ACC: 11
AAC: 5
MAC: 1
Mountain West: 1
Sun Belt: 1

They say WMU would've drawn Ohio State in the first round in 2016.

(06-10-2021 06:39 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Anything less than every conference champion getting a spot in the playoff is not good enough.

It seems to work in every other sport.

(06-11-2021 09:24 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Athlon Sports retroactively applies the 12-team playoff system for each year since the CFP got started:

https://athlonsports.com/college-footbal...ormat-2014

Quote:Overall Playoff Trips By Conference From 2014-20 if 12-Team Format Existed

Big Ten: 20
SEC: 19
Big 12: 12
Pac-12: 11
ACC: 11
AAC: 5
MAC: 1
Mountain West: 1
Sun Belt: 1

They say WMU would've drawn Ohio State in the first round in 2016.

We would've ****** them up.

(06-11-2021 08:52 AM)pvk75 Wrote:  No way in hell does the P5 want all 10 conference champions in a playoff, because that automatically elevates the G5 to the same status. Why should the P5 do for the G5 what the G5 has not done for itself? Just because they're technically all FBS? (Insert hysterical laughter here.) Besides, the P5s got their autonomy from the NCAA, and they're not enlarging the club.

What is "right" and "just" is not the same thing as what is "real."

Actually it already did raise the G5 to the same status.

Minimum requirement for a championship by is #10 in both cases.

Both P5 & G5 send their champ as low as 30, 40, 50 depending on the season.

We still haven't seen the money piece yet. Are they going to set all 10 FBS conferences at the same base distribution and be fair that way instead of separate G5 profit sharing? They could rank the conferences 1 through 10 in financial distribution based on performance.

(06-11-2021 11:03 AM)Hiller4Hyz09 Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 09:24 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Athlon Sports retroactively applies the 12-team playoff system for each year since the CFP got started:

https://athlonsports.com/college-footbal...ormat-2014

Quote:Overall Playoff Trips By Conference From 2014-20 if 12-Team Format Existed

Big Ten: 20
SEC: 19
Big 12: 12
Pac-12: 11
ACC: 11
AAC: 5
MAC: 1
Mountain West: 1
Sun Belt: 1

They say WMU would've drawn Ohio State in the first round in 2016.

We would've ****** them up.

Yes, just like we did in 2015.

In 2012 both the MAC and MWC champion finished ahead of the B1G champ. ND #1, Florida #3 and Oregon #4 didn't win their conferences also that year.

#12 Florida State who played NIU in the Orange Bowl would have actually qualified for the 4th bye, with #15 NIU the 5th champion.

https://i.imgur.com/eL4Nim4.png

(06-11-2021 04:12 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  In 2012 both the MAC and MWC champion finished ahead of the B1G champ.

Can you imagine how much butt hurt Kirk Herbstreit would have if this happened in this new 12-team proposed playoff?

(06-11-2021 04:12 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  In 2012 both the MAC and MWC champion finished ahead of the B1G champ. ND #1, Florida #3 and Oregon #4 didn't win their conferences also that year.

#12 Florida State who played NIU in the Orange Bowl would have actually qualified for the 4th bye, with #15 NIU the 5th champion.

But only the first four ranked Champions who get the first round bye get to "jump their ranking", so in that case it would still be road first round games for NIU and Boise State ... on the rankings above, NIU at Florida and Boise State at Notre Dame.

Of course, the Big Ten and PAC-12 were not represented on the committee, so they might fight for a "champions host no matter what" rule, to protect against cases where the PAC-12 is especially weak that year or where a weaker Big Ten West school has a fluke win in the CCG over the #1 Big Ten team.

(06-11-2021 08:52 AM)pvk75 Wrote:  IMO, what drove this is the next-in-line P5s getting tired of being left out of the CFP, being relegated to the other NY6 games and some other "big" bowls, and the PAC 12 getting nowhere.

I also suspect the anti-trust lawyers had a look at it, which is why the 6 autobids belong to the "6 highest ranking conference champions" but no one is named. That "6" means an autobid for the best G5 conference champion without actually saying so, since there are only 5 P5 champions. That takes care of any anti-trust moves by the G5.

Not just the anti-trust lawyers. This requires an NCAA Division 1 rule change, on the length of the playing season, so having "procedural fairness" and having the Go5 schools lobbying for the system rather than some for and and some against is important in not getting ambushed by NFS and FCS Presidents in the Division.

Quote: ... No way in hell does the P5 want all 10 conference champions in a playoff, because that automatically elevates the G5 to the same status. Why should the P5 do for the G5 what the G5 has not done for itself? Just because they're technically all FBS? (Insert hysterical laughter here.) Besides, the P5s got their autonomy from the NCAA, and they're not enlarging the club.

What is "right" and "just" is not the same thing as what is "real."

Also not the same thing as what is lucrative ... no way in hell the media partners want all 10 conference champs in a playoff, because the extra games do not grow the viewing audience by anywhere near the same proportion.

As with the current NY6 deal, they can tolerate having to sell one "Cinderella" story if they must, in order to get permission to have the entire lucrative package, but from their perspective there is no reason to have more than one Cinderella at the ball.

Just like they pushed back against having all of the Division 1 conference champions getting an equal chance at the Big Dance and the preliminary round at Dayton was invented to make more at-large spots for Power Conference schools.

Again, why are the G5 commissioners silent. This is the time to make their voice heard. Only WMU would have made this 12 team model a few yrs ago. A MAC team making the playoff is going to still be an anomaly.

(06-11-2021 12:18 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 11:03 AM)Hiller4Hyz09 Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 09:24 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Athlon Sports retroactively applies the 12-team playoff system for each year since the CFP got started:

https://athlonsports.com/college-footbal...ormat-2014

Quote:Overall Playoff Trips By Conference From 2014-20 if 12-Team Format Existed

Big Ten: 20
SEC: 19
Big 12: 12
Pac-12: 11
ACC: 11
AAC: 5
MAC: 1
Mountain West: 1
Sun Belt: 1

They say WMU would've drawn Ohio State in the first round in 2016.

We would've ****** them up.

Yes, just like we did in 2015.

Had them where we wanted them; just ran out of time.

(06-12-2021 07:43 AM)Hiller4Hyz09 Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 12:18 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 11:03 AM)Hiller4Hyz09 Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 09:24 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Athlon Sports retroactively applies the 12-team playoff system for each year since the CFP got started:

https://athlonsports.com/college-footbal...ormat-2014

Quote:Overall Playoff Trips By Conference From 2014-20 if 12-Team Format Existed

Big Ten: 20
SEC: 19
Big 12: 12
Pac-12: 11
ACC: 11
AAC: 5
MAC: 1
Mountain West: 1
Sun Belt: 1

They say WMU would've drawn Ohio State in the first round in 2016.

We would've ****** them up.

Yes, just like we did in 2015.

Had them where we wanted them; just ran out of time.

Yes, if only we could've run our 27-point play.

https://theathletic.com/2645903/2021/06/...g-problem/

Quote:TCU coach Gary Patterson estimated that only six programs had been invited to the College Football Playoff since its inception in 2014. The reality is that 11 different schools have reached the Playoff, but it’s hard to blame him for feeling as though it’s always the same six teams competing for a national title.

You know the six: Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, LSU and Georgia.

Quote:Here’s an amazing stat: 55 of the top 100 players in the 247Sports Composite of the Class of 2021 went to one of the aforementioned six schools.

Quote:Money talks. And the voice is loud.

“There is only one sales pitch a prospect really wants to hear,” a MAC recruiting coordinator said. “It’s about how you can turn them into a pro.”

Quote:In the end, though, it likely will still be the same six teams battling it out at the end because winning is about having the best players.

https://theathletic.com/2646301/2021/06/...tle-hunts/

Quote:2012

1. Alabama
2. Kansas State
3. Stanford
4. Florida State

No. 12 Boise State vs. No. 5 Notre Dame (at-large)
No. 11 Northern Illinois vs. No. 6 Florida (at-large)
No. 10 Texas A&M (at-large) vs. No. 7 Oregon (at-large)
No. 9 LSU (at-large) vs. No. 8 Georgia (at-large)

This one is fascinating. First of all, it’s one of those years that Greg Sankey dreams about when he backs a 12-team playoff instead of an eight-team model. Here’s five SEC teams in the field (and South Carolina almost makes it in) with a great shot at four advancing to the quarterfinals. We know Johnny Manziel makes Texas A&M the team nobody wants to play, too, and they could definitely go far. Notre Dame is supposed to be the No. 1 seed but gets a much tougher path to the title game. The top-four seed rules force some odd rearranging, as three at-large teams finished in the BCS top four. Florida State, for example, should be the No. 10 seed but gets to vault all the way up to No. 4 as a conference champion.

Keep in mind, this is also the year when undefeated Ohio State is serving a postseason ban and an 8-6 Wisconsin team destroys Nebraska in the Big Ten title game. So the Big Ten is not getting into this playoff, opening up room for both No. 15 Northern Illinois and No. 19 Boise State to earn spots with No. 21 Louisville barely missing out.

(06-12-2021 08:09 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(06-12-2021 07:43 AM)Hiller4Hyz09 Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 12:18 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 11:03 AM)Hiller4Hyz09 Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 09:24 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Athlon Sports retroactively applies the 12-team playoff system for each year since the CFP got started:

https://athlonsports.com/college-footbal...ormat-2014


They say WMU would've drawn Ohio State in the first round in 2016.

We would've ****** them up.

Yes, just like we did in 2015.

Had them where we wanted them; just ran out of time.

Yes, if only we could've run our 27-point play.

38-12 was actually better than I had expected against #1 at the time. Overall stats were decent. Especially after we just got worked over by GA Southern.

(06-12-2021 04:21 AM)cmufanatic Wrote:  Again, why are the G5 commissioners silent. This is the time to make their voice heard. Only WMU would have made this 12 team model a few yrs ago. A MAC team making the playoff is going to still be an anomaly.

Of the various feasible options, this is probably second best for the Go5, and this is the one with momentum.

The place they have bargaining power is not in "the court of public opinion", since that requires them to work through a sports media that is strongly biased toward the P5.

The place where they have bargaining power is in the contract renegotiations, where they have to agree for it to go ahead before the current contract expires, and where their support for the system is an important part of getting the NCAA Division 1 to approve the permission for the additional post-season games.

So really, the place for their voices to be heard is behind closed doors, when the negotiations over the division of revenues are taking place.

(06-12-2021 10:50 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

Brutal that one conference would get 4 entrants and 4 conferences would get 0.

(06-13-2021 10:53 AM)Hiller4Hyz09 Wrote:  Brutal that one conference would get 4 entrants and 4 conferences would get 0.

Life is brutal. The best arrangement for the Group of 5 that seems like it might be feasible would be an 8 team playoff with the top five conference champions seeded, then two at-larges from the highest remaining teams, then the highest available conference champion hosting the second highest in a play-in game.

But ... that's not enough at-large bids for the big money conferences, where just like the NCAA Tourney, they are always angling for more at-large spots. And having a 12 team tournament kills the chance for that champ #6 vs champ #7 play-in game, because basically the first round are four play-in games.

It's better than the current system, though, where it is three to four conference champions picked, so six to seven conferences get zero spots, and the best Go5 champion as picked by the committee in a beauty contest get to go to a consolation NYE/NYD bowl to console them for the knowledge that they are permanently locked out of a committee chosen four at-large CFP tournament.

(06-12-2021 04:21 AM)cmufanatic Wrote:  Again, why are the G5 commissioners silent. This is the time to make their voice heard.

For what it's worth, Jon Steinbrecher has not been silent. He just hasn't been lighting his hair on fire. If you aren't at the table, you are on the menu, etc.

I notice that Steinbrecher isn't endorsing this or opposing this. As I read this, he is encouraged by the prospect of an expansion to 12 schools but thinks more can be done to make this better. Anyone read this differently?