I thought Carey did a solid job at Northern Illinois. Northern Illinois head a hell of a run before Carey but he didn’t run the program into the ground. He always came across as a decent guy in halftime and post game interviews. It is hard to judge him by last year during Covid. He is capable of doing a good job… but he needs some good coordinators..

(05-27-2021 12:58 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  I don't really understand or agree with the notion that offensive coordinators should be QB or RB coaches first. OL is very complex to coach, and the OL have to understand all the blocking schemes. It's not an easy position to play or coach. There's plenty of guys who have become successful OCs and/or HCs from being the OL coach.

UCF's experiment with an O-Line coach (Brent Key in 2015) as OC really worked out well.

Sorry hear this. I liked seeing Temple compete and beat some of the big boys.

(06-02-2021 11:40 AM)Square Knight Wrote:  

(05-27-2021 12:58 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  I don't really understand or agree with the notion that offensive coordinators should be QB or RB coaches first. OL is very complex to coach, and the OL have to understand all the blocking schemes. It's not an easy position to play or coach. There's plenty of guys who have become successful OCs and/or HCs from being the OL coach.

UCF's experiment with an O-Line coach (Brent Key in 2015) as OC really worked out well.

Ha, you've got me there. And I've **** on Key plenty, but my understanding is that GOL would not let him call what he wanted to call. He apparently wanted to institute an up-tempo spread. Plus 2015, while it was going to be a bad year, only became as bad as it ended up when Justin Holman was lost for the season and we were playing QB shuffle with three FCS to D-2 level QBs. The latter being GOL's fault...I think Key wanted to play Bo Schneider and stick with him (and he was clearly the best of the three), but naturally GOL thought Patti had more fieldmanship or some such ****.

(05-28-2021 09:25 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(05-28-2021 09:15 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

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(05-28-2021 12:21 AM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(05-27-2021 09:14 PM)Meatwad Wrote:  i didn't get why they were so offended by being a stepping stone that they went looking for a coach who would hang around a while. at our level we need upwardly mobile coaches. if they do great they'll leave us and hopefully we find another one.

When a coach leaves after two years, and the coach who replaced him lasted about 15 minutes, the student athletes on the team became a bit disenchanted. Stability in the position was a qualifying factor. Will Carey be successful? This year will be telling. Yes they were ravaged by Covid (practice schedules from Hell) and yes the portal left the team with a lot of good players seeking P5 exposure) but Carey did a pretty good job in the portal bringing talent back. This year his coaching chops (or lack thereof) will be on display. I'm will to give the benefit of the doubt.

This ^^^^^^^^.

I agree with everything Fishpro says, except the benefit of the doubt regarding Carey. I get we had Covid issues (everyone did) and injuries (everyone did) but we had blowout losses to Buffalo, SMU, UCF and UNC prior to that. With like 5 NFL guys on defense! We lost to a terrible Navy team last year and barely beat a terrible USF team (no offense Middies and Bulls) If what many prognosticators say will happen, namely that Temple is a 3 win team this year, what will we do? Congratulate ourselves on a 200% improvement? Again, hope I’m wrong and we are 9-3 fighting to get in the championship game. I just don’t see it with Carey.
As for Collins, he was neither a good coach or recruiter. We are feeling the effects of his dismal recruiting now. He underperformed with a championship team he inherited including a loss to Villanova. The yokels at GT said hey if he can win at Temple he can certainly win at Tech and hired him. Addazio left us in a similar position.
As for Bill Cosby what a piece of garbage.Thanks for leaving your stench on my school!

When it comes to celebrities, Hall and Oates also attended Temple.

...and they are not donating either

(05-29-2021 09:37 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(05-28-2021 11:10 AM)Off_The_Hook Wrote:  

(05-28-2021 08:38 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(05-27-2021 09:32 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  I'm not sure I falla the OP.

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If you don't follow the logic of the OP, here's a synopsis of Carey's career:

1. Carey inherited a Northern Illinois (NIU) team that had averaged 11 wins per year, finished the 2012 season in the top 25 (#22), and left him with a large pool of talented players.

2. The program's performance began to drop off, most noticeably in 2015 (8-6), as the pool of talent from the 2012 NIU team departed and was not successfully replenished.

3. NIU's average record declined to a mediocre 7.25 wins and 6 losses (.558) during Carey's last four seasons as Head Coach.

4. NIU's average ranking in the Massey Composite Rankings during Carey's last four seasons there was #74th - - quite a drop, considering that he had inherited a #22-ranked team only a few years earlier.

--With Carey at the helm, NIU finished the 2018 season ranked #87th in scoring and #120th in total yards per game.

5. Carey's bowl record at NIU was 0-6 and now stands at 0-7.

6. When Carey came to Temple, he inherited a program that had won an average of 8.75 wins per year over the past four years and had amassed a large pool of talented players.

7. Despite playing a relatively easy schedule (SOS: #75) in Carey's first season, playing seven of their regular season games vs. teams with losing records, the Owls only managed to go 1-6 vs. teams that finished with winning records, and three of their five losses were blowouts, including a 63-21 loss to UCF on Temple's home field.

--The 2019 Owls finished the season ranked #90th in pts scored and #92nd in total yardage.

8. Carey's bowl record dropped to 0-7 after Temple's 13-55 defeat in the 2019 Military Bowl.

9. Carey led the Owls to a 1-6 record in 2020. The 2020 Owls finished the season ranked #113 in pts. scored and #109 in opponent pts/game, despite playing a relatively easy schedule (strength of schedule: #86).

10. Despite inheriting a program that had won 64.8% of its games over the four preceding seasons, Carey's record at Temple now stands at 9-12 (.429), and the team's average Massey Composite ranking over the past two seasons is #86th.

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Even if he goes 2-10 and sinks the program to lower depths, a new president and new AD are still far away from becoming a reality. Carey will have the 2022 season to see if he can accomplish his final task - going winless. That would be make the late 90s and early 2000s coaches jealous.

Good luck

We'll have a new president and AD by the fall.

And a new coach(s) before the end of BOWL season?

Bulldoze the stadium stompers and get that much needed on campus stadium built already

in other news; i like H&Os , my daughters name is sara and she smiles a lot

No way Temple is scrambling hungry for the seat at back of the bus.

All programs go through bad stretches, Temple is no different they’re going to be fine after a year or two.

(06-08-2021 08:33 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  No way Temple is scrambling hungry for the seat at back of the bus.

All programs go through bad stretches, Temple is no different they’re going to be fine after a year or two.

I think you are right. The transfer portal hurt us this year, but I think we rebound.